Homosexuality in Christianity

[stebbinsd]

The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin.

Or does it?

I know it certainly seems that way at first glance, but look closer.

As I read about the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, I read that Lot found brought to angels into his home, and the citizens of Sodom demanded that Lot release the angels so that they could rape them. Lot begged them to take his daughters instead, but the citizens would have none of it, and started breaking into his house. It was at that point, and only at that point, that Lot and his family fled the city while it was destroyed with fire and brimstone, and his wife became a pillar of salt.

So, I ask you two things:

1. Did Lot offer his daughters because they were women, or did he offer them to protect the angels, and he didn't have any sons to offer?

2. Was the city of Sodom destroyed because it was full of gay people, or was it destroyed because it was full of rapists?

Also, while the book of Leviticus does say that homosexuality is an abomination, doesn't that exact same book say that eating pork is an abomination? Yeah, Leviticus 11:7-8, go and read it yourself. So, do you like eating ham 'n' cheese sandwiches? What about hot dogs? Don't you know they're made of bologna, which is made of the meat of a pig?

Pork is not the only portion of Leviticus that most Christians disregard; in fact, it's the other way around: Homosexuality seems to be the only portion of Leviticus that Christians still uphold. Why? Why does that double standard exist?

So, conclusively, what real biblical reference can you chalk up, that cannot be disputed or undermined in any way, shape, or form, that homosexuality is, indeed, a sin?

 

[Steve]

I agree with you. Frankly, I am sick of hearing about homosexuality. There has always been homosexuality, and there always will be. Live and let live, I say. If they want to have unions, or whatever, hey! Abi gezunt. It doesn't affect me.

 

[Mysteryman]

The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin.

Or does it?

I know it certainly seems that way at first glance, but look closer.

As I read about the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, I read that Lot found brought to angels into his home, and the citizens of Sodom demanded that Lot release the angels so that they could rape them. Lot begged them to take his daughters instead, but the citizens would have none of it, and started breaking into his house. It was at that point, and only at that point, that Lot and his family fled the city while it was destroyed with fire and brimstone, and his wife became a pillar of salt.

So, I ask you two things:

1. Did Lot offer his daughters because they were women, or did he offer them to protect the angels, and he didn't have any sons to offer?

2. Was the city of Sodom destroyed because it was full of gay people, or was it destroyed because it was full of rapists?

Also, while the book of Leviticus does say that homosexuality is an abomination, doesn't that exact same book say that eating pork is an abomination? Yeah, Leviticus 11:7-8, go and read it yourself. So, do you like eating ham 'n' cheese sandwiches? What about hot dogs? Don't you know they're made of bologna, which is made of the meat of a pig?

Pork is not the only portion of Leviticus that most Christians disregard; in fact, it's the other way around: Homosexuality seems to be the only portion of Leviticus that Christians still uphold. Why? Why does that double standard exist?

So, conclusively, what real biblical reference can you chalk up, that cannot be disputed or undermined in any way, shape, or form, that homosexuality is, indeed, a sin?

I feel that the word of God does indeed address this - Romans 1:24 - 28

 

[Free]

Romans 1:24-27, 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

 

[Ed the Ned]

So, conclusively, what real biblical reference can you chalk up, that cannot be disputed or undermined in any way, shape, or form, that homosexuality is, indeed, a sin?

Please try and dispute what Free has written. You cannot justify homosexuality, and your argument about pork is again something you have failed to research. I think you should take your Bible, and start reading it to find out what God id trying to tell you and stop reading it to find a way to justify your sin.

Steve, there will always be homosexuallity, in fact it is becoming so more and more prelevant in the world that we are accepting it. Why? We are told to purge Christians in the church if they behave in that manner. As the world becomes more sinful, Churches are accepting this behaviour as they feel they need to be socialby and globally acceptable. In other words God comes in at number 2.

The church needs to take a strong stand against these attacks. Yet we have Christians who accept this kind of behaviour in the Church, They abuse Gods word to suit then sinful desires......... and we accept it. I am not standing in judgement of homosexuals, we are all sinners, but we cannot allow that behaviour in the Church of Christ. And as Christians we cannot support, agree, permit and indulge in homosexual behaviour. :amen

 

[stovebolts]

The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin.

Or does it?

I know it certainly seems that way at first glance, but look closer.

As I read about the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, I read that Lot found brought to angels into his home, and the citizens of Sodom demanded that Lot release the angels so that they could rape them. Lot begged them to take his daughters instead, but the citizens would have none of it, and started breaking into his house. It was at that point, and only at that point, that Lot and his family fled the city while it was destroyed with fire and brimstone, and his wife became a pillar of salt.

So, I ask you two things:

1. Did Lot offer his daughters because they were women, or did he offer them to protect the angels, and he didn't have any sons to offer?

The way I understand scripture, he offered his daughters to protect the angels. I don't think that "because he didn't have any sons to offer" can be thoughtfully considered as a valuable piece of the equation.

That being said, I recall reading some time ago somewhere that Sodom was a very closed community and did not take to strangers coming to their town.

2. Was the city of Sodom destroyed because it was full of gay people, or was it destroyed because it was full of rapists?

I think Scriptures explains why God destroyed Sodom and it was not due to a single cause. Please, take special note of the order.

Ezekiel 16:49 “‘See here – this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had majesty, abundance of food, and enjoyed carefree ease, but they did not help the poor and needy. 16:50 They were haughty and practiced abominable deeds before me. Therefore when I saw it I removed them.

Also, while the book of Leviticus does say that homosexuality is an abomination, doesn't that exact same book say that eating pork is an abomination? Yeah, Leviticus 11:7-8, go and read it yourself. So, do you like eating ham 'n' cheese sandwiches? What about hot dogs? Don't you know they're made of bologna, which is made of the meat of a pig?

Pork is not the only portion of Leviticus that most Christians disregard; in fact, it's the other way around: Homosexuality seems to be the only portion of Leviticus that Christians still uphold. Why? Why does that double standard exist?

That's a pretty shallow argument... Do you also advocate sex with young children or with different types and breeds of animals? Do you advocate having sexual relations with multiple partners regardless of their sexual orientation? Do you advocate rape and incest? Why or why not and how do you come to a conclusion on your state of morals?

You see, it's about defining what you will look and act like as a collective society.

So, conclusively, what real biblical reference can you chalk up, that cannot be disputed or undermined in any way, shape, or form, that homosexuality is, indeed, a sin?

1:27 God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.
1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply!"

Humanity was blessed and given a purpose... How long would humanity last if everyone was gay, or had sex with animals?

Homosexuality is a choice, it's what you do. It's a behavior, not an identity. This does not minimize homosexual feelings or emotions.

 

[shad]

Romans 1:27
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

It is indeed sin, according to the Scripture.

 

[elijah23]

The Bible says that if you have sex before you marry, you have sinned. Doesn’t matter if it’s heterosexual or homosexual. Right?

 

[shad]

The Bible says that if you have sex before you marry, you have sinned. Doesn’t matter if it’s heterosexual or homosexual. Right?

This thread is about homosexuality.

 

[logical bob]

1:27 God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.
1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply!"

Humanity was blessed and given a purpose... How long would humanity last if everyone was gay, or had sex with animals?

So do you also think contraception is a sin?

 

[elijah23]

This thread is about homosexuality.

All sex outside of marriage is a sin. Therefore, homosexuality is a sin.

 

[stovebolts]

1:27 God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.
1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply!"

Humanity was blessed and given a purpose... How long would humanity last if everyone was gay, or had sex with animals?

So do you also think contraception is a sin?

I think the only positive role any type of contraception device would play in a homosexual act would be to assist in the prevention of an STD. Aside from that, I am failing to see the significance of your question within this topic.

 

[logical bob]

You said homosexuality and bestiality were bad because they don't involve reproduction. I was wondering if, for the same reason, contraception in heterosexual sex was sinful. How long would humanity last if everyone was on the pill?

 

[stovebolts]

You said homosexuality and bestiality were bad because they don't involve reproduction.

Hi Bob,
uhh, I don't recall saying that homosexuality and bestiality were bad "because they don't involve reproduction." although I can see how you would infer that from my last post.

By God's design, certain anatomical parts of a woman and a man fit naturally. Additionally, when a man and a woman come together physically, emotionally and spiritually then there too is a natural fit in the order of creation that cannot be duplicated with the same sex or with beasts not to mention the procreation part.

Now then, you can take a 14mm socket and pound it onto a 9/16 nut and twist until you get it off, but it's just not the same... Why? Because by design a 14 mm socket was never meant to be used on a 9/16th nut.

Now then, where do you stand on homosexuality? Why?
Where do you stand on bestiality? Why?

 

[logical bob]

Additionally, when a man and a woman come together physically, emotionally and spiritually then there too is a natural fit in the order of creation that cannot be duplicated with the same sex.

I find that a very arrogant statement. You just know that nobody could find sex with someone of the same gender as fulfilling as you find straight sex. Doesn't it occur to you that gay people might experience love in just the same way straight people do?

Now then, where do you stand on homosexuality? Why?

What goes on in private between consenting adults is nobody else's business.

Where do you stand on bestiality? Why?

You're a mod on a Christian forum. Do you really want to discuss the ethics of bestiality?

 

[stovebolts]

I find that a very arrogant statement. You just know that nobody could find sex with someone of the same gender as fulfilling as you find straight sex. Doesn't it occur to you that gay people might experience love in just the same way straight people do?

I'm sorry that you find that as an arrogant statement. In the same manner that same sex sexual relations cannot produce children, they also cannot experience the emotion of love as it relates between a man and a woman. Now then, I am not trying to come across as arrogant here, but you can't replace something by design through mere desire and call it equal.

I hope that this comes across clearly, because I am not saying that two members of the same sex cannot experience love between each other, and in fairness, I would even say that two people in a healthy gay relationship may even experience a greater feeling of love than a man and a woman in a dysfunctional relationship.
What I am saying, is that in a healthy relationship, sexual relations between the same sex will never experience the fullness of love that is shared between a man and a woman during sexual relations.

What goes on in private between consenting adults is nobody else's business.

If you didn't want to talk about the sex lives of other people, you wouldn't have posted anything in this topic. Apparently you think it's your business to some degree
I hate to assume, but I'm going to say that you think that homosexuality is A-OK. From my perspective, I'm ok with that. I'm not going to try and change your point of view and your well within your rights as a human being to disagree.
However, the question was asked, "Is homosexuality a sin in Christianity". The answer remains a true Yes, it is a sin because it goes against God's design for humanity regardless if you agree or disagree.

You're a mod on a Christian forum. Do you really want to discuss the ethics of bestiality?

I"m sure it would be a short lived discussion ;) Much in the same way that pedophiles are frowned upon by society (they are still prosecuted), I don't think most in our society would approve of bestiality either.

 

[stebbinsd]

Romans 1:24-27, 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Where in those versus does it say that these "shameless acts" are actually sex?

 

[stebbinsd]

That's a pretty shallow argument... Do you also advocate sex with young children or with different types and breeds of animals?

They don't know what they're getting themselves into.

Do you advocate having sexual relations with multiple partners regardless of their sexual orientation?

It's better than adultery.

Do you advocate rape

Not if it's not consentual.

and incest?

It has been proven (emphasis on that last word) that children who are the spawn of incest have a significantly higher risk of genetic disorders.

[/quote]Why or why not and how do you come to a conclusion on your state of morals?[/quote]
Because homosexuality, just like eating pork, has no rational basis.

So, conclusively, what real biblical reference can you chalk up, that cannot be disputed or undermined in any way, shape, or form, that homosexuality is, indeed, a sin?
1:27 God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.
1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply!"

Then, how come some people are just born sterile?

Humanity was blessed and given a purpose... How long would humanity last if everyone was gay, or had sex with animals?

Everyone is NOT gay! It's about a tenth of the population!

 

[Free]

Romans 1:24-27, 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Where in those versus does it say that these "shameless acts" are actually sex?

Let's make this easier and have you state what acts you think best fits the descriptions: "dishonoring of their bodies;" "dishonorable passions;" exchanging "natural relations for those that are contrary;" men giving up "natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men."

Ignore that the term "relations" in the Bible is used very often, if not exclusively, for sexual intimacy. What other acts can think of that could even remotely be considered to fit all that criteria?

 

[ronniechoate34]

Homosexuals should be left to their own devices provided they do not repent. And let me tell you that these people need to be weeded out and separated from the normal children in the schools for a start. They need to go simmer down all by themselves. I saw a guy who built his own island out of recyclable plastic bottles. Homosexuals should be given a sovereign nation with tight restrictions to keep them isolated. This way they are free to practice as they please and marry or whatever. It should please them very well. And then when the hand of God falls on them they'll be far away from me.