Homosexuality in Christianity

[Free]

Homosexuals should be left to their own devices provided they do not repent. And let me tell you that these people need to be weeded out and separated from the normal children in the schools for a start. They need to go simmer down all by themselves. I saw a guy who built his own island out of recyclable plastic bottles. Homosexuals should be given a sovereign nation with tight restrictions to keep them isolated. This way they are free to practice as they please and marry or whatever. It should please them very well. And then when the hand of God falls on them they'll be far away from me.

How can segregation ever be supported biblically? That certainly is not a good Christian response.

Would it not be easier to find your own piece of land and segregate yourself? Or is forsaking everything too much to ask?

 

[Mysteryman]

The problem we face today, is that homosexuality is being accepted by christian sects. Some ministers are openly gay, and openly claim also that they are a bishop in their denominational sect of christianity. It is just one more way for the adversary of God to cause deception among those who will refuse to accept such a one who openly admits being homosexual and a bishop of a church claiming christianity.

At one point many things were kept in the closet (if you will). Now, the closet door is wide open, and not only is homosexuality being accepted by the world. But it is being accepted by certain christian sects.

Soon, homosexuality will not be a sin. It will become a part of the norm.

 

[Free]

The problem we face today, is that homosexuality is being accepted by christian sects. Some ministers are openly gay, and openly claim also that they are a bishop in their denominational sect of christianity. It is just one more way for the adversary of God to cause deception among those who will refuse to accept such a one who openly admits being homosexual and a bishop of a church claiming christianity.

At one point many things were kept in the closet (if you will). Now, the closet door is wide open, and not only is homosexuality being accepted by the world. But it is being accepted by certain christian sects.

Soon, homosexuality will not be a sin. It will become a part of the norm.

I don't think that homosexuality itself can be shown to be a sin, it is homosexual acts that are condemned, whether by homosexuals or heterosexuals.

 

[Mysteryman]

The problem we face today, is that homosexuality is being accepted by christian sects. Some ministers are openly gay, and openly claim also that they are a bishop in their denominational sect of christianity. It is just one more way for the adversary of God to cause deception among those who will refuse to accept such a one who openly admits being homosexual and a bishop of a church claiming christianity.

At one point many things were kept in the closet (if you will). Now, the closet door is wide open, and not only is homosexuality being accepted by the world. But it is being accepted by certain christian sects.

Soon, homosexuality will not be a sin. It will become a part of the norm.

I don't think that homosexuality itself can be shown to be a sin, it is homosexual acts that are condemned, whether by homosexuals or heterosexuals.

Not a sin ?

Well , that would be step one, calling a sin not a sin.

 

[stovebolts]

That's a pretty shallow argument... Do you also advocate sex with young children or with different types and breeds of animals?

They don't know what they're getting themselves into.

But of course you know what they are getting into right? It's amazing how some things we just naturally seem to know, yet when trying to explain these things to those engaged in those unnatural types of acts, they just don't seem to see it that way now do they?

Do you advocate having sexual relations with multiple partners regardless of their sexual orientation?

It's better than adultery.

Horse manure doesn't stick to the bottom of your shoe and track into the carpet like dog poop either. Doesn't mean we should look for horse manure to go tromp around in.

Do you advocate rape

Not if it's not consentual.

I've never heard of consensual rape. Ever hear of a teenage boy who just couldn't stop himself and the girl just "let it happen"? That doesn't make it consensual. It's still rape.

and incest?

It has been proven (emphasis on that last word) that children who are the spawn of incest have a significantly higher risk of genetic disorders.

And this is your primary reason as to why incest is wrong?

Why or why not and how do you come to a conclusion on your state of morals?

Because homosexuality, just like eating pork, has no rational basis.

Yeah, the guy having sex with the pig said the same thing. Great insight

So, conclusively, what real biblical reference can you chalk up, that cannot be disputed or undermined in any way, shape, or form, that homosexuality is, indeed, a sin?

1:27 God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.
1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply!"

Then, how come some people are just born sterile?

Nobody ever said that life is fair let alone we were all created equal. What ever gave you the idea that it was or we were?

Humanity was blessed and given a purpose... How long would humanity last if everyone was gay, or had sex with animals?

Everyone is NOT gay! It's about a tenth of the population!

Your right, not everyone lives the gay lifestyle, it's by design.

Listen, I don't have a problem with people living a gay lifestyle and because somebody is living a gay lifestyle doesn't mean that they are bad people. What I can say though, is that it's not the way we were intended or designed to live hence it's 10% living a gay lifestyle and not 90%.

Scripture points out what sin is so we can recognize it for what it is. It's not easy to face our sins and many, even Christians have a hard time confronting their own sin. It doesn't matter if ones sin is homosexuality, theft or lying just to mention a few. All of them prevent us from living Godly lives and for those of us who choose to live in accordance with God's word, which isn't always easy, we understand through our own trials what God has brought us through.

 

[Free]

The problem we face today, is that homosexuality is being accepted by christian sects. Some ministers are openly gay, and openly claim also that they are a bishop in their denominational sect of christianity. It is just one more way for the adversary of God to cause deception among those who will refuse to accept such a one who openly admits being homosexual and a bishop of a church claiming christianity.

At one point many things were kept in the closet (if you will). Now, the closet door is wide open, and not only is homosexuality being accepted by the world. But it is being accepted by certain christian sects.

Soon, homosexuality will not be a sin. It will become a part of the norm.

I don't think that homosexuality itself can be shown to be a sin, it is homosexual acts that are condemned, whether by homosexuals or heterosexuals.

Not a sin ?

Well , that would be step one, calling a sin not a sin.

Show me where homosexuality itself is called a sin, and do not confuse it with passages speaking of homosexual acts.

 

[shad]

Well , that would be step one, calling a sin not a sin.

Show me where homosexuality itself is called a sin, and do not confuse it with passages speaking of homosexual acts.[/quote]


You should know that when Christians talk about homosexuality, it is act of it.

 

[Mysteryman]

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All unrighteousness is sin < - > I John 5:17 -- Now look at what the Lord tells us in Romans 1:29 they were filled with all unrighteousness

 

[logical bob]

What I am saying, is that in a healthy relationship, sexual relations between the same sex will never experience the fullness of love that is shared between a man and a woman during sexual relations.

Pure assertion without evidence.

However, the question was asked, "Is homosexuality a sin in Christianity". The answer remains a true Yes, it is a sin because it goes against God's design for humanity regardless if you agree or disagree.

Yes, that was the question in the OP and I didn't comment on that. Your statement which I quoted at the top of this post isn't about how things are "in Christianity" - it claims to be true for everyone. That's what I disagreed with.

I'm sure it would be a short lived discussion ;)

Short is good.

 

[logical bob]

Homosexuals should be left to their own devices provided they do not repent. And let me tell you that these people need to be weeded out and separated from the normal children in the schools for a start. They need to go simmer down all by themselves. I saw a guy who built his own island out of recyclable plastic bottles. Homosexuals should be given a sovereign nation with tight restrictions to keep them isolated. This way they are free to practice as they please and marry or whatever. It should please them very well. And then when the hand of God falls on them they'll be far away from me.

Great witnessing for the Lord, my friend. That'll have them rushing to beg forgiveness so they can be included in your religion of love.

By their fruits shall ye know them.

 

[Mysteryman]

Homosexuals should be left to their own devices provided they do not repent. And let me tell you that these people need to be weeded out and separated from the normal children in the schools for a start. They need to go simmer down all by themselves. I saw a guy who built his own island out of recyclable plastic bottles. Homosexuals should be given a sovereign nation with tight restrictions to keep them isolated. This way they are free to practice as they please and marry or whatever. It should please them very well. And then when the hand of God falls on them they'll be far away from me.

Great witnessing for the Lord, my friend. That'll have them rushing to beg forgiveness so they can be included in your religion of love.

By their fruits shall ye know them.

Hi Bob

You know what Bob ? I can understand a Christian correcting another Christian. And I can undersatand this fully . But I can not understand an athiest correcting a Christian.

ronnie might have been joking, or maybe not, I don't know for sure. But I don't think you were joking. I actually believe that you felt compelled to correct a Christian. May I ask why Bob ?

 

[stovebolts]

What I am saying, is that in a healthy relationship, sexual relations between the same sex will never experience the fullness of love that is shared between a man and a woman during sexual relations.

Pure assertion without evidence.

As far as the experience, outside of the obvious and visual 'mechanics', women excrete different pheromones which the male responds to... Sorry, you can't bottle that

 

[Free]

Well , that would be step one, calling a sin not a sin.

Show me where homosexuality itself is called a sin, and do not confuse it with passages speaking of homosexual acts.

You should know that when Christians talk about homosexuality, it is act of it.[/quote]
Not at all shad. Most think that being a homosexual is a sin, even if they do not engage in sexual acts.

But let me clarify something else:

I've always considered the term "homosexuality" to refer to "sexual orientation or preference." And that is the way I've used it. However, it was pointed out to me that it should include the sexual acts.

So, to restate what I've said: I do not believe that the Bible condemns homosexuals for being homosexual; it condemns the acts committed by homosexuals, which is also why they're wrong for heterosexuals to engage in.

 

[logical bob]

Homosexuals should be left to their own devices provided they do not repent. And let me tell you that these people need to be weeded out and separated from the normal children in the schools for a start. They need to go simmer down all by themselves. I saw a guy who built his own island out of recyclable plastic bottles. Homosexuals should be given a sovereign nation with tight restrictions to keep them isolated. This way they are free to practice as they please and marry or whatever. It should please them very well. And then when the hand of God falls on them they'll be far away from me.

Great witnessing for the Lord, my friend. That'll have them rushing to beg forgiveness so they can be included in your religion of love.

By their fruits shall ye know them.

Hi Bob

You know what Bob ? I can understand a Christian correcting another Christian. And I can undersatand this fully . But I can not understand an athiest correcting a Christian.

ronnie might have been joking, or maybe not, I don't know for sure. But I don't think you were joking. I actually believe that you felt compelled to correct a Christian. May I ask why Bob ?

It wasn't a correction. For all I know that may be a perfectly sound interpretation of Christian belief. But it's poison, pure hatred, and I find it offensive.

I called it an act of witness because people form their opinions of Christianity based on the walk of Christians. I know what impression the attitudes displayed in that post give.

 

[jasoncran]

hmm i will enter this fray and add more as i was a former bisexual. btw we have some that are observing this.

 

[Mysteryman]

Homosexuals should be left to their own devices provided they do not repent. And let me tell you that these people need to be weeded out and separated from the normal children in the schools for a start. They need to go simmer down all by themselves. I saw a guy who built his own island out of recyclable plastic bottles. Homosexuals should be given a sovereign nation with tight restrictions to keep them isolated. This way they are free to practice as they please and marry or whatever. It should please them very well. And then when the hand of God falls on them they'll be far away from me.[/quote]
Great witnessing for the Lord, my friend. That'll have them rushing to beg forgiveness so they can be included in your religion of love.

By their fruits shall ye know them.[/quote]

Hi Bob

You know what Bob ? I can understand a Christian correcting another Christian. And I can undersatand this fully . But I can not understand an athiest correcting a Christian.

ronnie might have been joking, or maybe not, I don't know for sure. But I don't think you were joking. I actually believe that you felt compelled to correct a Christian. May I ask why Bob ?[/quote]
It wasn't a correction. For all I know that may be a perfectly sound interpretation of Christian belief. But it's poison, pure hatred, and I find it offensive.

I called it an act of witness because people form their opinions of Christianity based on the walk of Christians. I know what impression the attitudes displayed in that post give.[/quote]




Hi Bob

So would it be honest to say, that it was what you perceived from the hurt you felt, and thus were reminded within your own mind that by their fruit ye shall know them ?

I just thought for a brief moment that you were converting to Christianity , and that your vision of being hurt, was visioned by how someone else would be hurt by such a comment.

You know - Love thy neighbor as thyself concept ?

Maybe your hurt or feeling was perceived and understood.

 

[ronniechoate34]

Homosexuals should be left to their own devices provided they do not repent. And let me tell you that these people need to be weeded out and separated from the normal children in the schools for a start. They need to go simmer down all by themselves. I saw a guy who built his own island out of recyclable plastic bottles. Homosexuals should be given a sovereign nation with tight restrictions to keep them isolated. This way they are free to practice as they please and marry or whatever. It should please them very well. And then when the hand of God falls on them they'll be far away from me.

Great witnessing for the Lord, my friend. That'll have them rushing to beg forgiveness so they can be included in your religion of love.

By their fruits shall ye know them.

Whatever guy. Tolerance is over rated and God does not tolerate nonsense from jokersthat refuse to repent. We are to shun people who refuse to repent, and that's that.

 

[stovebolts]

hmm i will enter this fray and add more as i was a former bisexual. btw we have some that are observing this.

Jason,
If I could ask a couple questions, I'd like to hear your response.
1. Do you still have sexual desires for the same sex?
BTW, I don't believe that having the desire is a sin.
2. If you do have the desire, how do you deal with it?
3. Do you find that the love you shared with a previous male partner was the same as the love you share with your wife? Why?

If you feel uncomfortable, you don't have to answer and I'm sorry if I'm putting you on the spot.

Thanks!

 

[stovebolts]

Homosexuals should be left to their own devices provided they do not repent. And let me tell you that these people need to be weeded out and separated from the normal children in the schools for a start. They need to go simmer down all by themselves. I saw a guy who built his own island out of recyclable plastic bottles. Homosexuals should be given a sovereign nation with tight restrictions to keep them isolated. This way they are free to practice as they please and marry or whatever. It should please them very well. And then when the hand of God falls on them they'll be far away from me.

Great witnessing for the Lord, my friend. That'll have them rushing to beg forgiveness so they can be included in your religion of love.

By their fruits shall ye know them.

Whatever guy. Tolerance is over rated and God does not tolerate nonsense from jokersthat refuse to repent. We are to shun people who refuse to repent, and that's that.

Ok Jonah
You have given them no reason to repent. I believe he was referencing the fruits of the spirit as outlined in Galatians ;)

 

[ronniechoate34]

No reason. That's true. Homosexuality is a sin that can be put into remission. If any homosexual feels the need for healing then Jesus can heal them. That's the power of repentance. Once you've done that Jesus will lead you through the rest.