Homosexuality is a sin!

[Petri Paavola]

Cor 6:9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,



In the text appear words abusers of themselves with mankind, which is in Greek [arsenokoites] = one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual.



In this Bible place is spoken among other things also about that, how those males who lies with a male as with a female not shall inherit the kingdom of God, but then Paul adds to this, "and such were, some of you". In other words this indicates also us, that some of these people were before homosexual, but weren’t anymore. So clearly the Bible teaches that people must repent from homosexuality.

http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/homosexual

 

[SputnikBoy]

Cor 6:9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,



In the text appear words abusers of themselves with mankind, which is in Greek [arsenokoites] = one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual.



In this Bible place is spoken among other things also about that, how those males who lies with a male as with a female not shall inherit the kingdom of God, but then Paul adds to this, "and such were, some of you". In other words this indicates also us, that some of these people were before homosexual, but weren’t anymore. So clearly the Bible teaches that people must repent from homosexuality.

We're to repent of our sins ...PERIOD! Have you done this, Petri? Please stop singling out others to the exclusion of yourself.

 

[Rick W]

SputnikBoy,
No offense but do you think I condemn my own nephew and his "friend"? I know them both and pretty well to tell ya the truth. We spoke of these things and the "feelings" part of the deal. Ok, they're shacking up, they don't claim to be christian and know in their hearts they'd have to give up something if they accepted the Lord.

I also knew personally a fellow in Salt Lake (not a mormon) who was a drug dealer, reefer. That's all, nothing else... reefer. I knew him before I was saved and I still knew him after I was saved. That's his living. He's not worked for years since he's careful who he sells to and probably got the cops paid off but ... he's good at what he does. Did I say, "well, he's a sinner so I can't speak with him.". Not likely. We talked and when it came right down to it he knew he'd have to give up something if he accepted the Lord.

Do I tell my nephew I'll accept his sin but I won't accept the sin of the latter? People come to him at their own will, he doesn't twist their arms to purchase his wares. My nephew and his friend don't go out and drag people in to watch them carry on "sociably" with each other. (kissing, holding hands and the like. Nothing explicit) People who go there, see it going on, but they visited under their own freewill.

Feelings? What about my sister's feelings every time she breaks down asking me why her son is doing what he is doing? What about my mother's feelings? What about the family's as a whole? Maybe my sister wouldn't mind being a grandmother. Who knows. And I'm quite sure that's not the full gist of it. She's scared. Scared her son will wind up with a disease from an unfaithful partner that will kill him... slowly. Sure, it can happen even if he came out of homosexuality but the likelihood would be much less. So as feelings go then I consider that argument to be quite selfish indeed.

Everyone who has accepted Christ gave up something. I did. we all did. And those who were born in christian families are much better off because they didn't have to go through all the crap without Him in the first place.

And marriage for my nephew isn't the answer to his shacking up. He'll still be with the same fellow whether he marries or not. He's not christian, he doesn't see "co-habitation" as a sin. And he doesn't want to marry in the first place. People argue divorce against heterosexuals like it's something gays would never do. Of course they will. People are people. But 70% of the voters in all the states that voted concerning gay-marriage prefer the definition to be kept as is. Maybe they think it's a family thing. Maybe they feel there's a reason the institution is to be protected. Dunno. Why not ask them? I'm very sure those 70% weren't all christian. Quite sure.

I've said my say in this thread.

Oh, BTW,
Good morning. :smt039

peace

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Because the majoroity of us are not tempted by this, we can afford the luxury of over-the-top villification of those who are.

Potluck, I didn't write that.

 

[bibleberean]

Yes, Homosexuality is a sin. Psychology won't help.

How does the bible spell relief?

R-E-P-E-N-T

Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[Drew]

Psychology won't help.

How do you know that psychology won't help? Perhaps God can use psychology to help people understand why they do the things they do. Knowledge can be a wonderful thing.

 

[bibleberean]

We need to repent and move on from sin not dwell on it...

Ephesians 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Philippians 3:13-14 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Why do we sin...?


James 1:14-15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Repent and move on... :D

 

[SputnikBoy]

We need to repent and move on from sin not dwell on it...

That's right. "WE" do. By the way, have you come across the scripture in Matthew 7:1-2? "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." These are the words of Jesus. You've been doing a great deal of this, BB ...injecting much of your own personal judgment along with the scriptures that you use to condemn. Just thought I'd bring that to your attention.

 

[bibleberean]

We need to repent and move on from sin not dwell on it...

That's right. "WE" do. By the way, have you come across the scripture in Matthew 7:1-2? "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." These are the words of Jesus. You've been doing a great deal of this, BB ...injecting much of your own personal judgment along with the scriptures that you use to condemn. Just thought I'd bring that to your attention.

That is your "judgement call" to make.

Thanks for you concerns and your opinions.

You might want to read all of Matthew 7 before you judge me...

Here is something else you might find of value...

Is it Right to Judge?

http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/T ... cjudge.htm

 

[BJGrolle]

Ah, homosexuality, the token sin that can cause many to feel better about themselves because they are not tempted by it. The one that can make a common sinner a self righteous executioner of all those "sickos" who are under it's grasp.

Actually, I have no desire to condemn or execute anyone.

What I find objectionable are the efforts of some homosexuals to try and convince the world that their actions aren't sinful.

We're all guilty of sin - no one is perfect in the eyes of God. But I personally don't go around bragging about my sins, publicly flaunting them, or trying to pretend that they're not sins so that I can try not to feel guilty about them.

 

[bibleberean]

Ah, homosexuality, the token sin that can cause many to feel better about themselves because they are not tempted by it. The one that can make a common sinner a self righteous executioner of all those "sickos" who are under it's grasp.

Actually, I have no desire to condemn or execute anyone.

What I find objectionable are the efforts of some homosexuals to try and convince the world that their actions aren't sinful.

We're all guilty of sin - no one is perfect in the eyes of God. But I personally don't go around bragging about my sins, publicly flaunting them, or trying to pretend that they're not sins so that I can try not to feel guilty about them.

That is how I see it too.

 

[BJGrolle]

I think people misunderstand and misuse the admonition to "Judge not lest ye be judged."

What I've read is that it means "Don't take the law into your own hands. Let the legal system exact punishment."

IOW, don't get together a lynching party and condemn someone without a fair trial, as was often done years ago.

But today, whenever someone expresses an opinion that someone else doesn't like, they pull out that Bible verse as "proof" that the other person shouldn't be expressing their opinion. And in the process, they become as "judgmental", even more so, than the person who spoke in the first place. :roll:

Opinions are simply opinions - being judgmental actually means you have some sort of legal power to do something about a person or situation.

Now, go ahead, accuse me of being judgmental if it'll make you feel better.

 

[bibleberean]

Judge not is the one of the most misused verses in the bible.

http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/T ... cjudge.htm

One of the best known and most misunderstood and misapplied Scriptures is "Judge not" (Matthew 7:1). Let us examine the entire passage:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5).

Read this again carefully. Notice that it is addressed to a hypocrite!-not to those who sincerely want to discern whether a teacher or teaching is true or false to God's Word. And instead of being a prohibition against honest judgment, it is a solemn warning against hypocritical judgment. In fact, the last statement of this Scripture commands sincere judgment-"Then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." If we take a verse or a part of a verse out of its setting, we can make the Word of God appear to teach the very opposite of what it really does teach. And those who do this cannot escape the judgment of God for twisting His Word (2 Peter 3:16). Let this be a warning to us never again to take a text of Scripture out of its context.

Many who piously quote, "Judge not," out of its context, in order to defend that which is false to God's Word, do not see their own inconsistency in thus judging those who would obey God's Word about judging that which is untrue to the Bible. It is tragic that so much that is anti-Scriptural has undeservedly found shelter behind a misuse of the Scripture just quoted. The reason the professed church of Christ is today honeycombed and paralyzed by satanic Modernism is because Christians have not obeyed the commands of God's Word to judge and put away and separate from false teachers and false teaching when they first appeared in their midst. Physical health is maintained by separation from disease germs. Spiritual health is maintained by separation from germs of false doctrine. The greatest peril of our day is not too much judging, but too little judging of spiritual falsehood.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Ah, homosexuality, the token sin that can cause many to feel better about themselves because they are not tempted by it. The one that can make a common sinner a self righteous executioner of all those "sickos" who are under it's grasp.

Actually, I have no desire to condemn or execute anyone.

What I find objectionable are the efforts of some homosexuals to try and convince the world that their actions aren't sinful.

We're all guilty of sin - no one is perfect in the eyes of God. But I personally don't go around bragging about my sins, publicly flaunting them, or trying to pretend that they're not sins so that I can try not to feel guilty about them.

You did not flaunt your sins before coming to Christ? You did not lust outwardly and in public? How about using course language or any other myriad of behaviors that would be called sinful? No, I stand firm that homosexuality is the token sin that so many can come down on without having to actually look at their own behavior, including judging others.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Ah, homosexuality, the token sin that can cause many to feel better about themselves because they are not tempted by it. The one that can make a common sinner a self righteous executioner of all those "sickos" who are under it's grasp.

Actually, I have no desire to condemn or execute anyone.

What I find objectionable are the efforts of some homosexuals to try and convince the world that their actions aren't sinful.

We're all guilty of sin - no one is perfect in the eyes of God. But I personally don't go around bragging about my sins, publicly flaunting them, or trying to pretend that they're not sins so that I can try not to feel guilty about them.

The broad brush that you're using here, BJ, to paint every homosexual as you describe above shows extreme ignorance of the topic. None of the few confessed homosexual human beings that I've known have been this way inclined at all. Heterosexuals are the ones who flaunt immoral sex and many other sins on my TV on a daily basis. One can rarely watch a movie these days without the obligatory (heterosexual) sex scene.

Do you know for sure that homosexuals are NOT born that way, BJ? If so, I'd like for you to offer me proof. If not, then your opinions are simply that and are not based on any dependable research. As long as you - and others - feel expert enough to call the shots, then make sure that you have the facts. The Bible is not a text book on scientific human development intended to be used in the way some - many, in fact - are using it. And yet the Bible IS constantly used as a tool by Christians to condemn others who may well be genetically predisposed toward those 'gray areas' of sexuality.

Scientific research has nothing to do with 'pretending that homosexuality is not a sin'. It's an attempt to determine scientifically that predisposition toward same sex attraction is less a sin and more genetically engineered. Sadly, whether through sin or not, God did not step in and make human beings perfect. Many people are born with defects of many kinds - not that I'm implying for one second that homosexuals are defective human beings. I'm simply making the point that human beings are a diversely 'manufactured' group of organisms that can't be categorized in the rigid manner that Christians insist upon.

And - I really DO need to make this point - while most of you profess to sinning on a regular basis, most of you don't REALLY believe that you're a sinner at all. If you did you would be more concerned in cleaning up your own life than in focusing on a specific group of people who quite probably don't sin any more than you do! Who are you to point the finger at others while professing that you're a sinner too? The 'plank' in your own eye that Jesus refers to really IS relevant to all of us ...no exceptions!

 

[Free]

And yet the Bible IS constantly used as a tool by Christians to condemn others who may well be genetically predisposed toward those 'gray areas' of sexuality.

Except that homosexuality is far from being a 'gray area'.

 

[SputnikBoy]

And yet the Bible IS constantly used as a tool by Christians to condemn others who may well be genetically predisposed toward those 'gray areas' of sexuality.

Except that homosexuality is far from being a 'gray area'.

How so, Free? I don't want Christian rhetoric, I want proof.

 

[Free]

I'm sure Scriptural proof has been given to you many times, yet you still deny it, so why go through it all again?

 

[bibleberean]

No matter what type of fornication is being practiced whether natural (opposite sex) or unnatural (same sex) it is still evil.

Marriage can sanctify a sexual relationship with the opposite sex.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Nothing can sanctify a perverted relationship.

 

[itoldyounoalready]

I don't flaunt my sins either, don't make assumptions
Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean that you audaciously go out in public and grab people or make out, or make sexaully explicit remarks, there are many people who people wouldn't know unless you went into the privacy of their homes.