Homosexuality is a sin!

[pfilmtech]

And yet the Bible IS constantly used as a tool by Christians to condemn others who may well be genetically predisposed toward those 'gray areas' of sexuality.

Except that homosexuality is far from being a 'gray area'.

How so, Free? I don't want Christian rhetoric, I want proof.

The Bibles language regarding sexuality is extremely vague. You're seeing only what you want to see in the text.

 

[BJGrolle]

SputnikBoy, do try not to read so selectively. I did use the word "some", therefore, I'm not painting with the broad brush that you accuse me of doing.

I've known a few homosexuals online - they do as I said, they brag about it, they're proud of it, they flaunt it, and they claim it's not a sin. But in the end, it'll be between them and God.

I stand by what I said - I personally don't flaunt my sins, brag about them, or try to pretend they're not sins. God knows my sins, past, present, and future. He knows my heart and mind, so what you think doesn't really matter. I trust Him to take care of me, and that's what counts.

And who are you to say that most of the people here really don't believe they're sinners? Only God knows that.

 

[BJGrolle]

I don't flaunt my sins either, don't make assumptions
Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean that you audaciously go out in public and grab people or make out, or make sexaully explicit remarks, there are many people who people wouldn't know unless you went into the privacy of their homes.

It's not an assumption. It's a fact. Read my last post.

As I said - maybe I need to put it in big letters - SOME homosexuals...

...what I already said.

What 2 people do in the privacy of their home is their business. I'm simply addressing the debate over whether homosexuality is a sin or not. According to the Bible it is.

Ask me if a lie is a sin - I'll tell you it is.

Ask me if envy is a sin - I'll tell you it is.

Ask me if theft is a sin - I'll tell you it is.

And so on.

If someone were to admit they're a thief, and brag about it, and flaunt it, and try to tell people that stealing things isn't a sin, I don't think there'd be much argument that they're wrong.

But make it about homosexual sex, and we have a riot on our hands. :roll:

Some people want to put homosexual sex on an entirely different plane, removing it from the spectrum of sinful behavior altogether. This is a lie and the Bible proves it.

 

[SputnikBoy]

I'm sure Scriptural proof has been given to you many times, yet you still deny it, so why go through it all again?

Sorry, Free, but all I've seen presented from the scriptures are 'sins' ...NO mention at all that homosexuals are not genetically predisposed to this specific orientation. Psychologists don't seem to have a problem recognizing from research that this IS, in fact, the case.

So, if we accept the findings of psychology, is homosexuality 'THE sin' or is it that, like heterosexuals, homosexuals sin also? Also, by virtue of my perhaps accepting (or maybe not) the psychological research as the truth on the matter, could this be construed as my supporting homosexual behavior? Sooner than a knee-jerk reaction to lock the thread I'd prefer that you just warn me.

 

[bibleberean]

I don't flaunt my sins either, don't make assumptions
Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean that you audaciously go out in public and grab people or make out, or make sexaully explicit remarks, there are many people who people wouldn't know unless you went into the privacy of their homes.

It's not an assumption. It's a fact. Read my last post.

As I said - maybe I need to put it in big letters - SOME homosexuals...

...what I already said.

What 2 people do in the privacy of their home is their business. I'm simply addressing the debate over whether homosexuality is a sin or not. According to the Bible it is.

Ask me if a lie is a sin - I'll tell you it is.

Ask me if envy is a sin - I'll tell you it is.

Ask me if theft is a sin - I'll tell you it is.

And so on.

If someone were to admit they're a thief, and brag about it, and flaunt it, and try to tell people that stealing things isn't a sin, I don't think there'd be much argument that they're wrong.

But make it about homosexual sex, and we have a riot on our hands. :roll:

Some people want to put homosexual sex on an entirely different plane, removing it from the spectrum of sinful behavior altogether. This is a lie and the Bible proves it.

Exactly! The enemy would like nothing better than for us to keep our mouths shut!

As long as these threads are kept open I am going to keep swinging!

My bible is my sword and I am going to use it to defend the faith against those who would pervert it.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

 

[SputnikBoy]

SputnikBoy, do try not to read so selectively. I did use the word "some", therefore, I'm not painting with the broad brush that you accuse me of doing.

I've known a few homosexuals online - they do as I said, they brag about it, they're proud of it, they flaunt it, and they claim it's not a sin. But in the end, it'll be between them and God.

I stand by what I said - I personally don't flaunt my sins, brag about them, or try to pretend they're not sins. God knows my sins, past, present, and future. He knows my heart and mind, so what you think doesn't really matter. I trust Him to take care of me, and that's what counts.

And who are you to say that most of the people here really don't believe they're sinners? Only God knows that.

Well, that's right. And since we're talking scripture I'll present one to back up what I said. "There is none righteous, no, not one." (Romans 3:10)

 

[bibleberean]

Yeah, there is none righteous...

That is why we need to repent and come to Christ.

Mark 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

 

[itoldyounoalready]

Hell, fire and brimstone I presume

 

[bibleberean]

The message is about hope but it also contains a warning.

Why do people come to a "Christian forum" if they don't want to hear the Christian message?

Why put themselves through all this?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Repentance and faith in Christ is the only hope for man.

Without Christ we would be "children of wrath".

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

 

[itoldyounoalready]

We do want to her a christian message, we just don't want to be beat in the head and told a message through bb's interpretations of the bible.

 

[Free]

Who cares if homosexuals are predisposed to homosexuality; we are all predisposed to sin, but that does not make it right or okay.

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
Rom 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

It doesn't get any clearer than this - it is unnatural, that is, it goes against what God created as natural and it is error of a debased mind. Homosexuality is a perversion of sexuality, just as lust is a perversion of love. This is the problem with accepting sin - it becomes normalized to the point where people cannot tell the good from the perverse. Now in society we are beyond mere acceptance of homosexuality, we are being forced to approve of it. Homosexuality is sexual heresy.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Both maleness and femaleness together are the image of God. To deny this is an afront to God and being made in his image.

Gen 2:18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him."

'Helper' here is better understood as 'assitant', whom God creates as a woman; someone to complement him as an equal. This is one of the great errors of homosexuality - it denies both people the ability to grow to their fullest potential because there is no complementarity.

Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

This is central to the command of God to "be fruitful and multiply," something that is hard to do without both a male and a female.

The Church itself is referred to as the Bride in the NT, being prepared for union with Christ and the end of all things. Nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality considered acceptable and in a few places it is expressly condemned. The Bible is replete with with images of male and female, man and wife, as that is the sole relationship for expressing sexual intimacy.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Don't you think by now, Free, that everyone is familiar with those same old texts? The thing is, and the point that I keep trying to make, is that no one who is genetically predisposed to a sexual attraction for the same gender is going to become 'straight' simply by reading them. How are they even supposed to?

Don't Christians have a bit more imagination than to keep regurgitating the same old line?

 

[Free]

See, I told you that you had heard it all already so there really was no point. On the one hand you ask for proof, then on the other you want us to "have a bit more imagination" because we use "those same old texts". What exactly do you want? You ask for proof and then when it is given you simply dismiss it without even addressing it and how it proves you to be in the wrong.

And you do realize that claiming genetic predisposition to homosexuality is being presumptuous.

 

[bibleberean]

Does the fact that men have a sexual attraction to women make lust and adultery less of a sin?

I don't buy the lie that men can't help having sex with men.

As far as Christians "regurgitating bible verses".

This is a Christian forum. If Christians are not "imaginitive" enough for you then maybe you should consider going to a forum where non-Christian values are the norm.

Thanks,

Robert

 

[Solo]

Don't you think by now, Free, that everyone is familiar with those same old texts? The thing is, and the point that I keep trying to make, is that no one who is genetically predisposed to a sexual attraction for the same gender is going to become 'straight' simply by reading them. How are they even supposed to?

Don't Christians have a bit more imagination than to keep regurgitating the same old line?

Why do Christians need an imagination concernning sin when they have God's Word?

If God spoke only one line against murder, that would be enough. If God spoke only one line against adultery, that would be enough. If God spoke one line against homosexuality, that would be enough.

Does God love those who do those things? Yes. Does God want each of those to become born again? Yes. Once these are born again will they continue in the same lifestyle? Not if they submit to the Holy Spirit who now indwells them.

What happens if they continue in those same sins? The will reap the consequences for those sins, and they will not be productive for the kingdom of God.

 

[Julian Pyke]

BJGrolle wrote:
SputnikBoy, do try not to read so selectively. I did use the word "some", therefore, I'm not painting with the broad brush that you accuse me of doing.

I've known a few homosexuals online - they do as I said, they brag about it, they're proud of it, they flaunt it, and they claim it's not a sin. But in the end, it'll be between them and God.

I stand by what I said - I personally don't flaunt my sins, brag about them, or try to pretend they're not sins. God knows my sins, past, present, and future. He knows my heart and mind, so what you think doesn't really matter. I trust Him to take care of me, and that's what counts.

~~~

Small side comment:

God doesn't know our past sins if we ask for forgivness. He FORGETS THEM. they are wiped away, as if never happening.

 

[Petri Paavola]

Cor 6:9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,



In the text appear words abusers of themselves with mankind, which is in Greek [arsenokoites] = one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual.



In this Bible place is spoken among other things also about that, how those males who lies with a male as with a female not shall inherit the kingdom of God, but then Paul adds to this, "and such were, some of you". In other words this indicates also us, that some of these people were before homosexual, but weren’t anymore. So clearly the Bible teaches that people must repent from homosexuality.

We're to repent of our sins ...PERIOD! Have you done this, Petri? Please stop singling out others to the exclusion of yourself.

Of course we have to repent of our sins. But also this:

Eph 5:
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

 

[bibleberean]

Posted twice by mistake...

 

[bibleberean]

Petri, You make good points.

If we have to be completely without sin to speak against sins like homosexuality then John the Baptist, Peter, Paul, Jude, Elijah, Job, Jonah and every person in the bible is a low life hypocrite according to the convoluted logic of some.

I agree we must repent of our sins and homosexuals are no exception.

John the Baptist would not be welcome in the "we are all sinners anyway so keep your mouth shut" church of the apostates.

Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

John the Baptist would be told by many today.

"You repent Mr. Perfect!" How dare you tell people to repent! When you are free from sin then you can tell others to repent. Shut up you 'holier than thou fraud!'"

Do you think John would be welcomed today if he said this?

Luke 3:7-9 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Can you hear the "keep your mouth shut crowd"?

"You sanctimonious lout! All you do is condemn people! You repent! Are you saying you never sin? What a unloving thing to say! People come to you to be Baptized and all you can do is call them snakes. Real nice godly attitude! You are turning people off! If this is what being a man of God is all about then I want nothing to do with it"

Yet, the people who heard John's message had a far different attitude with the people then than the "I don't want to hear it crowd" of today.

Luke 3:10 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?

The fact is... You are in good company Petri! :D

 

[Lyric's Dad]

The message is about hope but it also contains a warning.

Why do people come to a "Christian forum" if they don't want to hear the Christian message?

Why put themselves through all this?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Repentance and faith in Christ is the only hope for man.

Without Christ we would be "children of wrath".

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Maybe they are not sure which message they will get. Since there are so many different ones being preached. Hopefully they have done some real research into correct translations and seen that God truly is LOVE, not hate.