How Can The U.S.A. Reduse Mass Shootings?

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So is that how you describe my exegesis of Scripture - Pollyanna Principles? Where is your exegesis to counter the exegesis I provided?

One sided exegesis never works.

 

[Obadiah]

Obadiah,

You haven't provided the exegesis of the Greek words to tell me exactly what they mean in Romans 12:19 (ESV).

Well then why don't you just educate me on that then? You gave me two words that essentially (for the purposes of this conversation) mean the same thing and I gave you that meaning. Obviously you seem to know far more about it, so why don't you just go ahead and see if you can educate me.

 

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Why should "believers" arm themselves?

Perhaps that we can see that the unbeliever is NOT alone between their own two ears?

2 Corinthians 4:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

People become and ARE slaves of the god of this world, and when, not IF they are, things can certainly get out of hand and lapse into complete lawlessness with such slaves.

At which point, that lawless is deserving to be dealt with, harshly in some cases.

We might say it's only up to the state to do our dirtywork. But we are participants in our government as well as responsible for the protection and care of those in our household and also those in society in general, IF we are to have a civilized society.

Not a man of us would stand by idly and watch a child be put to death. Our God given nature is to protect life. (let's not talk about the evil of the STATE in this regards.)

 

[Obadiah]

...Not a man of us would stand by idly and watch a child be put to death...

Well, at least you would HOPE not!

 

[jasonc]

The government allows abortion but doesn't do it.my state doesn't fund abortion ,but I can pay out of pocket.

 

[smaller]

The government allows abortion but doesn't do it.my state doesn't fund abortion ,but I can pay out of pocket.

I might observe we have more to protect ourselves from with leaders who have no moral qualms about killing babies and in fact promote killing babies than the common criminal on the street.

 

[jasonc]

I might observe we have more to protect ourselves from with leaders who have no moral qualms about killing babies and in fact promote killing babies than the common criminal on the street.

Can't say I disagree with that as often those are anti death penalty,anti gun and soft on the criminal but hard on gun users who bought an illegal gun merely to defend themselves and we're caught in that manner.

 

[Roro1972]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/14/us/colorado-school-shooting/
this is how no gun free zones.

 

[smaller]

There is zero difference to me observing children being sucked from the womb and being torn to pieces and flushed down the drain to having children walking on the street, abducted off the street by authorities and tossed into a wood chipper and their remains washed into the storm sewer.

There is no difference. The people who diminish life to this extent are simply EVIL. And hey, let's not forget to sell the body parts, OR even better, use the dead baby cells for vaccines and inject these dead baby growths into other living babies! Yeah, that's a GREAT idea ain't it?

We sit here and wonder how to reduce mass murders while our own government leaders kill people by the multiple millions, both living and fetus.

There is no respect for life by our leaders. Why should there be in the populace in general?

 

[Pizza]

Not a man of us would stand by idly and watch a child be put to death.

Sorry, you are wrong here. This country is FULL of deluded, improperly parented, safe-place-seeking metrosexual men who would cry, plead and cower in such a case.

Of course, I could be wrong - but I'm not.

 

[reba]

I bet with the latest type of mass murders if we all converted to extreme islim they would would stop ...

 

[OzSpen]

One sided exegesis never works.

Exegesis, with a knowledge of the original languages, always opens up the meaning of a term, phrase or sentence.

Your assertions about my 'Pollyanna' status are nothing more than that - personal assertions that have no meaning outside of yourself.

 

[OzSpen]

Well then why don't you just educate me on that then? You gave me two words that essentially (for the purposes of this conversation) mean the same thing and I gave you that meaning. Obviously you seem to know far more about it, so why don't you just go ahead and see if you can educate me.

You said you knew the meaning of the words in Rom 12:19 (ESV). Would you now provide us with your exegesis of those terms and the sources for your exegesis?

 

[brother Paul]

The right to die movement, partial birth abortions, assisted suicide, euthanasia....where does it stop? When our Lord returns and not before...

History clearly delegates particular categories of the human community to varying degrees of incapable, sub-human, incompetent, rabble, under-developed, more primitive, and so on. The presently revered eugenics educator, Margaret Sanger referred to them as “dysgenic stock”! When we are all viewed as varying gradations of animal and nothing more, it becomes perfectly logical that might should make right as it does in all the world of "survival of the fittest" species.

Since in most cases, history appears to justify the victor, “might” will indeed make right. If one can overpower another, or terrorize or beguile them into submission, then this logic dictates they must have been the genetically superior animal in the human stockyard and this encourages more of the same action.

In my opinion this idea of one assuming self lordship (being as gods) over others was outlined right in the first book of the Bible and since then mankind has been doing what is right in their own eyes....men bossing the women, women wanting to be their own lord and resisting, one clan or nation insisting the other bow to their way, cops overstepping authority, thugs taking what or who they want when they want where they want, and so on....even Hitler’s idea of Euthanising the handicapped and infirmed by starvation (see the T-4 euthanasia program) is becoming more commonplace even here in America. They call it "mercy" killing but there is nothing merciful in intentional starvation. So to keep the eyes off these matters they make a huge issue out of the small number of murders by legal firearms....its called diversion and every good magician is an expert....

 

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Exegesis, with a knowledge of the original languages, always opens up the meaning of a term, phrase or sentence.

I doubt very much the requirement to hear/understand scripture hinges on educated fluency in ancient Hebrew.

 

[smaller]

The right to die movement, partial birth abortions, assisted suicide, euthanasia....where does it stop? When our Lord returns and not before...

History clearly delegates particular categories of the human community to varying degrees of incapable, sub-human, incompetent, rabble, under-developed, more primitive, and so on. The presently revered eugenics educator, Margaret Sanger referred to them as “dysgenic stock”! When we are all viewed as varying gradations of animal and nothing more, it becomes perfectly logical that might should make right as it does in all the world of "survival of the fittest" species.

All excellent points. The diminishing of human life is always the bent. Whether it's evolution making humans nothing more than an advanced monkey or the postures of possibilities of advanced aliens making humans just another lesser monkey dot in the multiverse, science and the "official" systems always seek to minimize the individual and the masses and also seeks to control them. Can't be letting advanced monkeys have weapons now can we? Except if you're a silver back gorilla. Then you get to surround yourself with weapons of destruction.

It's all just one big scam after another.

So to keep the eyes off these matters they make a huge issue out of the small number of murders by legal firearms....its called diversion and every good magician is an expert....

Diversion to say the least. Let's just face the fact that it's really the leaders who are the most wicked and corrupt of all and would love it even more to be accountable to no one for any of their actions and THAT is where this is all headed to. Taking people's guns are just one little cog on along the eventual trail that ends in mass genocide by authorities.

Stopping the real "mass murderers" requires the overthrow of the heads of state.

The mass murderers won't be after just "jews" the next round, but everyone.


"One of the iconic images of the 20th century let alone the war or the Holocaust. Found in a German's photograph album with the words 'The last jew in Vinnitsa' written on the back."

 

[jasonc]

I doubt very much the requirement to hear/understand scripture hinges on educated fluency in ancient Hebrew.

I'm all for context.but taking his argument, that means Roman crucifixation and flogging since they were a part of the wrath as ordained by God Are his will.the cops may torture the suspect first if he isn't a citizen.wrath in their view is just that as that was how the law operated then.ideally the modern western government shouldn't but at time it has.the function of a correctional facility was to rehab the inmate.Rome didn't do that.they did have some of that but nothing like today.read some of their laws.it's interested

 

[OzSpen]

I doubt very much the requirement to hear/understand scripture hinges on educated fluency in ancient Hebrew.

What was it I said to you in my post?

Exegesis, with a knowledge of the original languages, always opens up the meaning of a term, phrase or sentence.

Your assertions about my 'Pollyanna' status are nothing more than that - personal assertions that have no meaning outside of yourself.

What's the meaning of 'exegesis'?

The biblestudy.org site provides this definition of exegesis:

In a theological sense, the word Exegesis is used to denote an approach to interpreting Bible passages utilizing critical analysis. It is the thorough investigation of Biblical text, within their various contexts, to discover their original meaning. The word itself comes from a Greek word delineating 'to lead out of.' It is the opposite of Eisegesis, which is to 'read into' a particular text. In its modern usage, Exegesis is a critical interpretation of text, whether or not it comes from the Scriptures.

Exegesis that is correctly conducted uses several tools in order to arrive at what the writer is trying to convey to the reader. It additionally includes comprehending and analyzing both the literary and cultural context of Biblical verses and then using them to compare with verses elsewhere in Scripture to determine what God is saying. Exegesis, in short, is to dig out from a passage what it inherently is stating. Eisegesis, on the other hand, is the approach of interpreting passages by reading into them a particular belief that is not at all evident or clear (Exegesis Definition).​

Therefore, knowledge of the original biblical languages is a great assistance in arriving at an exegesis of a text. You don't seem to like that idea, but this is what is involved in the meaning of exegesis (as opposed to eisegesis).

The reason why God has given us gifted pastor-teachers (Eph 4:11-12 ESV) is to assist us with exegesis - including knowledge of the original languages. However, all of us have the responsibility of being Bereans, 'Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true' (Acts 17:11 NIV).

I note that you want to avoid explaining your 'Pollyanna' disparaging comment about me.

Oz

 

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Understanding the "scriptural construct" of what "man" exactly is is NOT difficult, NOR does one need to be an ancient Hebrew scholar to figure it out:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

IF any reader thinks that it is just MAN in the above equations, it's NOT.

Mass murders transpire because of SATAN in man.

And those who are "armed" are not seeking to protect themselves from some mere mortal man, but SATAN in man.

Not all is as it appears on the surface.

 

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I note that you want to avoid explaining your 'Pollyanna' disparaging comment about me.
Oz

Pollyanna notions is a descriptive term for attitudes ascribed to little innocent girls who think life is always and only just wonderful. Grown ups may let them have their illusions, knowing that such is ignorant.