How can we know God's "voice?"

[Benoni]

I'm not really sure how that was a reply to my post. Help me out here.

Where does it say we must follow religous tradition when the Bible is so contrary to tradition. The Jew's were traditionalist and where did it get them?

So much that is taught in religion today is from tradition and not revelation; there is a pattern in the Bible when it comes to the word tradition; it is not spoken of in a positive light. Look at the following verses and weigh them with the post on new.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye

1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

Mark 7:3
For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Mark 7:5
Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

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Galatians 1:14
And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

 

[Caroline H]

Benoni, please explain what church or religious tradition has to do with a personal experience of hearing God's voice. People here have shared what they have experienced, but your replies so far have settled around Bible translations and religious tradition....I am confused :gah

 

[Sparkey]

"MY sheep hear MY voice." Is it possible that I don't recognize God's voice because God isn't speeking to me? That I am not one of "His sheep"? Perhaps I can't hear what isn't being spoken TO me. Many of you are certain as to "hearing God's voice", and that increases your faith. Maybe my problem is that God isn't speeking to me, hasn't called me, and as the Calvanist would suggest, was created for destruction.

I can serve all I can (and do with the music at my church), but maybe it is an act of futility, . . . . except that it may play a role in other ACTUAL called people to be saved.

Those are very sobering thoughts and I appreciate your honesty in voicing them.

• Here then my reply before you asked:[/*:m:1z3ujtni]

Can we know His voice?

Even this question means that we are hearing Him.
Why would anybody want to hear Him if they didn't already know (or at least suspect) that He is good?
Why? If they hadn't heard about His promised reward?
No man can even so much as say, "God is good," except the Spirit draw him.
And so the first-steps of our faith come from hearing and hearing itself comes from the word uttered by God. That is why I say, when this reply began, "It really is God all in all."

• And here a word I read in another thread:[/*:m:1z3ujtni]

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. ASV

For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God? God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.
Romans 3:3-4 ASV

I would suggest that before you go the way of Calvin and predestination you might listen more intently. Is the message you hear only one of hopelessness? If so, I will tell you it is NOT of God. I will also pray even now that you are given discernment to understand the difference heard in various "voices" throughout the land. I am claiming you to be mine. I don't care what kind of "mine" you are, you can be my "stranger in the gates" if you would like. Doesn't matter. Thanking God for you is in me.


~Sparrow

 

[Relic]

I would suggest that before you go the way of Calvin and predestination you might listen more intently. Is the message you hear only one of hopelessness? If so, I will tell you it is NOT of God.
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~Sparrow

:amen Brother!

Not accusing anyone of holding onto these things... I'm just saying..... When you hold onto the things (despair, fear, anxiety, hopelessness, unrighteousness) of the devil, he will for sure bring you down to feelings those things.... despair is a tool of the devil spirit. We MUST resist the devil. resist the things of the devil that are tools that will be used to bring us down to those feelings. The devil will shoot his arrows at us every chance he gets. God didn't provide for us an armour to wear for no reason! Ephesians 6:10-20 explicitly tells us to put on the whole armor! WHY? because we need it!!!! We need to put it on daily! The evil spirits and principalities are not going to leave us alone. the negative and the positive are against each other. The things of Holy Spirit is our only defense. against the onslaught of the negative unholy things of this world.

Orion, I don't know why you can't see the voice of God in the scriptures? The bible IS the inspired WORD OF GOD.

God is not a God who tells us to look to hold onto despair and hopelessness. JHVH God is a God who gives a promise from which to look forward to.... We are to HOLD FAST onto Hope. Having faith in something required that there be Hope held onto, for without Hope how can there be faith? No, without hope comes despair. The devil with try to depress the things of God... We fight the good fight against spirits and principalities that come against the Hope. We Hold onto Hope looking forward with it unto the Glory... no matter how long it takes! The timing is not in our hands to insist upon immediate results. Getting upset at God because something didn't go our way is one way the door is left open for despair and hopelessness to creep in. We must be on guard to not let despair rob us of Hope. The devil comes to steal kill and destroy all the Holy Spirit blessings God wants us to hold onto steadfastly! We must run to positive scripture for encouragement and for that to hold fast. Those positive encouraging words as they are written are for us to hear as the voice of the Lord God. His Truth is in them. They are OF the voice of HOLY SPIRIT, inspired, given truth to be written down in letter form for us to have and to hold! Steadfastly! However, we must never have vain Hope! We must hold fast to Godly Hope.



Ephesians 6:10-20 are our weapons against spiritual warfare!


The biblical definition of "faith" is as follows:

Hebrews 11:1-3
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


HOPE:


Romans 8:15-39
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

You too must believe these words! They are filled with HOPE in things to come! We must be patient and wait for the timing is in the Hands of God. We are not to be impatient but to be Hopeful and wait for the Glory of the Lord to be made manifest in HIS TIME. Not ours.


If you don't believe the postive encouraging words in the bible as being the voice of God, then you will only be stuck believing and holding onto the doubt and despair. God speaks to us through the Holy Written Word. You must take those words and make them your beliefs repeat them speak them outloud. The devil will come to attack and try and make you have doubts that they are not working, they are not being heard, they are not true, they are not of God but of man. The devil will keep you in bondage to the negative beliefs as long as you do not resist him and TELL HIM HE IS A LIAR! that you are going to stand fast on the truth, speak the truth, ad believe the words of God that you speak. READ THE SCRIPTURE OUT LOUD, no matter what doubts the evil spirit of the devil comes to tell you to base your feelings on. RESIST the devil and he will flee! Stop giving into the words of the devil. Give into the HOLY TRUTH OF GOD. THE ENCOURAGING WORDS OF HOPE AND GLORY TO COME.... PRAY for the things God says to pray for. Stop looking at what you think isn't happening. God will work it all out in due time.... not your timing, in HIS timing. Now God speak outloud no matter what negatives come to try and stop you... you must be determined to speak only the Words of Hope filled encouragement. There were times I cried so hard sticking to the words of God as written in the bible because of the attacks the devil had placed in my mind to give up hope and belief that they were a work in progress! Don't give the devil your only hope! KEEP IT! Fight the good fight. Resist the devil and he will flee! Tell him NO! I'll not speak those words of doubt and I'll not think on them! I'm switching my thinking and speaking onto the WORDS in Scripture even if it doesn't "feel' like it's working! I'll speak them anyway devil! Then quote scripture that is what you want to be as yours. Keep repeating it over and over. No matter what it "feels' like. Calim it as YOURS! And say,That'll show you devil that you can't put your words into my head or heart! I speak God's Words! Not yours you wicked devil! DO IT!!!! Even if it takes what seems to be a long time... The VOICE OF GOD IS IN THE POSTIVE ENCOURAGING SCRIPTURES FOR YOUR USE. FEED ON IT! CUP RUNNETH OVER FEED ON IT!!! Do not doubt. Keep hope alive. Stop speaking like you don't have it. Of course the devil wants you to speak like that! Whose side are you on anyway? Speak the Words of promise, the words of hope... that is the only armor of God you need to wear. DAILY, minute by minute if that's what it takes to get that negative speaking devil out of your ears.

I'm just sayin..... :halo

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[Benoni]

It doesn't; my point is so often what people hear is religion, and not God's voice.

Benoni, please explain what church or religious tradition has to do with a personal experience of hearing God's voice. People here have shared what they have experienced, but your replies so far have settled around Bible translations and religious tradition....I am confused :gah

 

[follower of Christ]

My faith is not in the Bible.

My faith is founded on God's Word; thought His Holy Spirit of truth. By God's anointed, not man's.

And uh...just how do you know about this 'Word', friend ?
Where did you and those who told you about Him hear about Him from ?

Whats peculiar is Gods 'Word' turned to Gods 'word' at every turn when He walked the earth. Yet for some reason WE feel we can just ignore it