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How can we know God's "voice?"

Fembot~

Yes! These are all moments on the beach... precious minits with Him init. :thumb

It gives me happiness where I can not be touched by anything of this place
:yes
Where the ONLY thing is you and Him. The King and His bride strolling along in this world as if eveything were pre-arrainged... every moment already set in motion... like a great swing moving back and forth... and all we need do is hang-on for the ride! :D

He is the Vine and we are His branches. OH I SO badly want a flower smilie to give you just now~ and I don't have one... :crying

Sister~ I believe the Lord talks to us thru these simple encouters all the time. Sometimes He is saying I AM yours to adore~ from a beautiful sunset, sometimes He is saying I AM in the littlest things by a tiny lizard scampering over my piled clippings earlier today. Sometimes He is saying there's no sense in being unhappy, because I AM with you~ to cheer and grace your life. :salute

Praise our Lord forevermore for He IS! And He is talking to you... my lovely sissie... :heart

BTW~ that little foxes verse is here:
Her Brothers Catch us the foxes, The little foxes that spoil the vines, For our vines [have] tender grapes. Song of Songs 2:15 :thumb

In our Lord Jesus' love, earnestly... bonnie
 
Might have been this...not sure, yet:

The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merryhearted do sigh. Isaiah 24:7

The hardest thing, sometimes, is remembering to write these things down.
 
:waving Fembot~

I have a basket that sits beside my comfy chair... it has a favorite hymnal, several pretty bookmarks, a current journal with a really special pen, a book of Christian poems that I love, and I poke my Bible in when I travel~ :heart

I recommend a version of your own~ something a whole lot younger... and funner... of course, with cups of your favorite tea or coffee or beverage. Once each morning and once each night. This prescription is not FDA approved BTW~ But it is approved unto God. :salute :lol :lol :lol

For an old gal reminders are very important. And everything leaks out really quick so ya gotta KEEP it some place safe. :toofunny

PS since your memory is still in good shape, you could just keep those sweet whisperings from the Lord there.

bonnie
 
I think most have lost their first love and follow Baby lon.

Rev. 2:4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

I love Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

We have lost our first love and have turned to another other then God’s anointing within (anti anointing/anti Christ same thing). This is where the true Church is it is not made up of man made creed dogmas and 20,000 denominational systems; it is simply Christ with in us the hope of glory. Today men follow Popes and preacher and ministry not because we are touching the hem of His garment but because it is what we been taught.
 
Benoni said:
I think most have lost their first love and follow Baby lon.

Rev. 2:4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

I love Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

We have lost our first love and have turned to another other then God’s anointing within (anti anointing/anti Christ same thing). This is where the true Church is it is not made up of man made creed dogmas and 20,000 denominational systems; it is simply Christ with in us the hope of glory. Today men follow Popes and preacher and ministry not because we are touching the hem of His garment but because it is what we been taught.

Yes Benoni,
I too was hoping to relay where the focus must be in these two posting I made previously. I wonder if, by some here, if any thought was placed into how important it is to place faith and trust, not in the carnal , but ONLY IN GOD, how it has to do with absolute acceptance (recieving), and then, in understanding and hearing the voice of the Lord God? If one doesn't place much faith in the scriptures, then they will not have any foundation from which to build steadfast authentic truth come to light the way .

excerpts:
[ Relic wrote to Orion: ] When you stop thinking the bible is only a book written by man who made up the whole lot of it, and start seeing it as a book written out of the "INSPIRED" revelation TRUTH of HOLY SPIRIT, you just might stop having so little doubt and so little faith. Do you even know what faith is?

source: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=38725&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=90#p470006
And here:
Relic wrote to Orion:]What do you base your trust on?
And where are you getting your definitions from?

Surely, the bible doesn't tell you to trust in misguided man nor does it tell you to trust in your own carnal mind. Are you listening to the words of man or are you listening to the TRUTH IN THE HOLY WORD OF GOD. What are you speaking, from the mind of man without the knowledge of God instilled in him, or are you speaking from the knowledge of the HOLY WORD instilled in you? There are only two sides to this coin... One side is truth and the other side is the lie. Are you flipping the coin and believing what may? or are you sticking to the one side that is only based upon the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH, that no other can deny or challenge or prove it as being false? Double mindedness is not a good master. ...

...God is not a God who doesn't prove his word true! God does not lie. If man sees his word as a lie then man is misinterpreting the HOLY WORD. God speaks truth. Our Trust must only be in HIS TRUTH, not doctrines of man who mess up the interpretation of the HOLY TRUTH OF GOD. God is NOT a liar. .. It is man who misinterprets what is from the truth to only pervert it. ...

The biblical definition of "faith" is as follows:

Hebrews 11:1-3
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.



IF you can't grasp the "BIBLICAL" definition of the term in it's broad sense, then you'll never know what it means to have faith in a "Holy" GOD, nor will you know what it means to have faith in any of your prayers which must be in alignment with the Holy Truth OF a HOLY GOD.
...

... We either believe what God tells us through the Inspired Holy Word, or we don't believe the Truth God speaks ... as did Eve and Lucifer, and Judas and many others who fell into demise for not trusting the truth of a HOLY GOD. The choice is up to you.... You don't have to have some feeling about it. You either believe the truth or you don't, you either LIVE by it or you don't. The PROOOF comes out in the end of all matters! Sooner or later, many times sooner than later, and other times later than sooner. WE are not the judge as to when the fruition of any of it comes into being... But we can rest fully assured that ALL THINGS WILL BE REVEALED. IN GOD'S DUE TIME. If you can't trust the Truth in God's Holy Word, then you are only following the carnal mind or the spirit of confusion which comes to steal kill and destroy, to pervert the Truth of a HOLY GOD. You must place your trust in GOD. That is up to you, no matter what spirit comes to deter your trust... You must stand firm on where you place your trust. ...

source: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=38725&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=120#p470186

Yes,

  • Our FIRST LOVE MUST BE THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH OF OUR HOLY GOD.

    We must keep in mind the definition of the word Holy and as compared to holy.
    Even the devil considers his twisted words as being holy. But they are in fact NEVER Holy.

It's all a matter of what mind-set we give authority to, what spirit we allow to lead... Ask, 'Is it a spirit of a lesser god, or a Spirit of God over and above all gods'? Discernment is crucial and the only way to learn how to discern the spirits is through Absolute Truth in the Word of God. As stated in Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Never ever allow the carnal mind-set to lead... it will always take us away from Holy Spirit. As it did Lucifer, as it did Eve, as it did Judas, as it did so many others who look to the twisted that is NOT of the Absolute Truth of JHVH GOD HOLY SPIRIT.
 
[i said:
Relic[/i]]Discernment is crucial and the only way to learn how to discern the spirits is through Absolute Truth in the Word of God. As stated in Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Never ever allow the carnal mind-set to lead... it will always take us away from Holy Spirit. As it did Lucifer, as it did Eve, as it did Judas, as it did so many others who look to the twisted that is NOT of the Absolute Truth of JHVH GOD HOLY SPIRIT.

Right on, discernment is the key :thumb
 
The Bible is perfect in its original form; BUT the translations are corrupted by religious zealots. But it is more then that, without the spirit of truth leading and guiding us into all truth the Bible becomes the letter that killeth.

The Corn: (the word of God)
The wine: (the revelation of the spirit of truth)
The oil: (the anointing)

2Th 2:11
(ALT) And for this reason God will send to them a supernatural working of deception, for them to believe the lie,

(ASV) And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:

(CEV) So God will make sure that they are fooled into believing a lie.

(CLV) And therefore God will be sending them an operation of deception, for them to believe the falsehood,

(DRB)(2:10) Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:

(EMTV) And because of this, God will send them strong delusion, in order for them to believe the lie,

(ESV) Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

(Geneva) And therefore God shall send them strong delusion, that they should beleave lies,

(GNB) And so God sends the power of error to work in them so that they believe what is false.

(GW) That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie.

(ISV) For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

(JPS) (KJ2000) And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(KJVA) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(KJVR) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(LITV) And because of this, God will send to them a working of error, for them to believe the lie,

(LONT) For this cause, God will send them strong delusion, that they may believe a lie;

(MKJV) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie,

(Murdock) Therefore God will send upon them the operation of deception, that they may believe a lie;

(RYLT-NT) and because of this shall God send to them a working of delusion, for their believing the lie,
(The Scriptures '98+)And for this reason Elohim sends them a working of delusion, for them to believe the falsehood,1Footnote: 1Eze. 20:25, John 9:39, John 12:40, Acts 7:42, Rom. 1:24-28.
(Webster) And for this cause God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(WNT) And for this reason God sends them a misleading influence that they may believe the lie;
 
What's the delusion?

What's the delusion?

What's the delusion?

What's the delusion?

What's the delusion?

What's the delusion?

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My faith is not in the Bible.

My faith is founded on God's Word; thought His Holy Spirit of truth. By God's anointed, not man's.
 
Benoni said:
I faith is not in Bible.

My faith is founded on God's Word; thought His Holy Spirit of truth. By God's anointed, not man's.

Yes, God's anointing is the only way for man to be blessed. And God's anointed are those who are called according to His purpose.

I'm not quite clear on what you are getting at Benoni.

The characteristics of Faith is described in the bible, and how one obtains faith.

Of course, No man can obtain what is OF God IF they refuse to draw near to God, and no man can draw near to God unless God draw them near. But does that mean that God doesn't give them a choice to accept or reject the call to drawing near? We are not robots without freedom of choice... If we were, then we'd all be saved from the sins of hell. Not all will be saved. The book of Revelation Chapter 22 clearly shows us that. Do you think God chooses who will be saved and who will not be saved? (Judas being the exception as it was that Satan had entered into him. Jesus knew that Judas would do that. It wasn't as if Judas didn't have a choice. Jesus chose Judas because Jesus knew what Judas would choose) And If Judas had no choice, If that were the case then, I don't think Jesus would call us to go preach the gospel to all the nations so that others might be saved. But perhaps he would have said, Some are called some are not... too bad for those who are not. The Lord allows us to choose between life and death. Universalism is not my belief.

Yes, there is so much to learn on many different levels from in scripture. But the basics must come first be fed to those who are in need of the milk. Meat comes to those more mature in Spirit. Babies choke on the meat. I would never feed my newborn meat. Too much milk also only makes a baby spit up sour spoil smelling of what it cannot digest from the feeding. I think the Lord God telling the Hebrews to not take up more manna than one days worth was advice for the feeding on Holy Word also. The Lord's Prayer attests to that.... Hence Give us this day our "Daily" Bread.

Also, sadly, though, some people who are called have a difficult time at first to completely letting go of the carnal self and thereby grieve the Holy Spirit. Peter for example had a difficult time trusting, as did Thomas. Thomas wanted to see rather than trusting. We are no different in that we are all growing according to the measure the Lord has given to each one of us individually. Our will, our carnality, the things of this world.... we are all called to overcome. Of course the Lord provide the means to the end, but He also gives us the freedom to think and act upon what is presented before us. We have the freedom to choose. And that too is a gift, a grace from God.

Some people think that just because we have certain liberties, that it is of their own accord. They miss the fact that the Lord God CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH is the source of it all. He is the source which gives us that liberty to choose from what is set before us. We have a choice to accept HIS offering or not. The consequences are inescapable in regard to the choices. The set Laws of God of and in nature and of and in Spirit are fixed. But the choices of which laws we live by is up to us, be them of a destructive or of a constructive. We learn through mistakes.... so then.... of course this life here on earth is a growing process. Heaven is the place in which the Victory, the Glory is celebrated, it is also the place in which we look forward to the Victory and Glory to be made manifest. Hope and faith are tied to answered prayer.

HE gives us our DAILY BREAD. It is up to us to take it, to receive it. IF we don't feed on it, we end up starving for nourishment. What nourishment? Well, that takes the gift of discernment of spirit to know what bread is from the LORD JHVH GOD, or from a lord who brings nothing but destruction, despair, death of spirit. Hell is not a place I would want to be for eternity... If our misery of self is just a taste of hell... then I pray... the LORD provide my DAILY BREAD and that I feed on HIS WORD OF TRUTH, not to be deceived by delusions and misinterpretations.

Yes, we all need to Pray the Lords Prayer, Daily! Not out of meaningless repetition, but out of a sincere heart wanting to seek after the Heart of God. If we settle down from all the carnal-minded intrusions, The voice of the Lord is very audible.


  • Matthew 6:7-13
    7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.


    9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.


If we have missed the mark at one point in time, the Lord will not neglect us the grace to come to repentance. He eagerly waits for the prodigal son to return. And celebrates when that time is at hand! Yes, everything IS from GOD but we are not robots. He allows us to make choices. The choices we make are what determine the consequences. The first part of the book of Genesis reminds us of that. God speaks loud and clear about the options we have to choose from. The bible is the Inspired word of God The multiple interpretations ....yes, we must have discernment and pray the Lord to lead us not into temptation, but to deliver us from evil. For thine (HIS) is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

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Relic,

Yes I am a Christian Universalist and notice all of the verses that have been changed by evil translators our always in spun in reerence to doctrines of damnations.


My point is it is more then the Bible; the Bible is God’s Word but it too has been influenced by the carnal religious mind. I may be breaking a few rules here but let me show you an example. Please do not believe me it, it takes just a open spiritual mind to search out a matter.

Pro. 25: 2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.


I am being nice here in that I posted this before; but there are many such examples like “second comingâ€Â, where translators has maliciously added words to the Bible or even changed their meaning and words. You mention freewill or choice which are not even biblical when it comes to God creating man or salvation are non scriptural words.

Yes man has a freewill or choice to sin, he does not have a freewill or choice to save himself; God draws you as you so wisely declared.

Let me show you a few common verses and how the translators have maliciously mistranslated God’s word to spin it doctrines of damnation’s bias.
The following are a direct quote from Strong’s Concordance.

John 3:15
<9999 > should
<9999 > not
<9999 > perish,
<9999 > but

NT:9999

9999 inserted word (x);


This word was added by the translators for better readability in the English. There is no actual word in the Hebrew/Greek text. The word may be displayed in italics, or in parentheses or other brackets, to indicate that it is not in the original text.

Strong's Whosoever 3956 pas (pas);including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: KJV-- all (manner of, means), alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

The word "whosoever" in the l5th and l6th verses should be rendered "all"; in the original it is the word usually rendered all throughout the New Testament; it occurs hundreds of times, and it is rendered
"all" in over nine hundred instances, a
nd whosoever in only about forty; the rendering all then is plainly the usual one.

The word rendered "believeth," in the original is a participle, "believing"; the clause should read, "that all, believing in him should not," etc. The words, "believing in him," are explanatory, telling us how "all" are to be saved, viz, by believing in him. In the common version it will be noticed that the participle is, without authority, rendered by the verb "believeth," and the words, "whosoever believeth in him" are thereby made to have a conditional force, as though it read, if they believe in him, implying that some will not believe in him, and hence will perish, and be lost eternally.

Might be saved: Stong's 4982 sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe"); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): KJV-- heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be
(make) whole. The word “might†was added by the translator

Now I will give the whole passage as it ought to be.

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up, that all, believing in him. might have æonial life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,
that all, believing in him, might not perish, but have æonial life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him be saved."


"Let God be true, though every man be false" (Rom. 3:4).

Young’s Literal John 3:14 `And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up, 15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. 17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;
 
Benoni,

Let's save the discussion of Biblical accuracy for another thread. The title of this thread is "How can we know God's "voice?" :topictotopic
 
Is this not the voice of God who has ordained all things?

You speak of choice when it comes to salvation; who's voice declares we have a choice or a freewill?
Who voice has changed the words in Joh 3:15-16?
I tell you who's voice, the voice of Babylon. But even Babylonis a a golden cup in the LORD's hand

Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD's hand, that made all the
earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

caromurp said:
Benoni,

Let's save the discussion of Biblical accuracy for another thread. The title of this thread is "How can we know God's "voice?" :topictotopic
 
It really is God all in all. He promises to work into us both the will and the way.
This one whom we call "God" is also called "The-Mighty-Way-Maker".
The "Way-Maker" is the cause - He "causes-it-to-happen".

This one whom we call "God" is so pure and holy that we simply can not reach up and grab onto Him.
He is the same one who made the sky (and the heavens) so that by nature they reach unto the land.
Where does the sky start? From the land's perspective (looking up) it is less than one inch above.
From our perspective, we need only lift our hands, to touch the "sky". Think about this especially on your next foggy day. Fog is merely clouds touching land.

Can we know His voice? Some can.
  • but surely we today are not "Adam" in the garden.
    Things are so chaotic now.
Can we know His voice?

Even this question means that we are hearing Him.
Why would anybody want to hear Him if they didn't already know (or at least suspect) that He is good?
Why? If they hadn't heard about His promised reward?
No man can even so much as say, "God is good," except the Spirit draw him.
And so the first-steps of our faith come from hearing and hearing itself comes from the word uttered by God. That is why I say, when this reply began, "It really is God all in all."

And there is more:
There are some who have gone before us.
Their feet are also guided by God and they are happy to speak of the sweetness they know personally.
Can we hear their hearts? Can we figuratively hear the blessing on their feet as they walk toward us?
Or are they bulls in the china cabinet? It's not difficult if we quiet ourselves to listen.
Do we get a glimpse of their Joy even when we look critically?
Are they caring people?

We can. We do. Each man is equipped to be able to search these things out for him/herself.
The Way-Maker has equipped us this way. He has 'caused-it-to-happen'.
The only thing that He absolutely refuses to do is to directly defeat stubborn unwillingness.
That's called respect. Could we ever love Him if without this?

Is my stubborn unwillingness seen in my actions?
It is to my shame that I confess: "It is."
Where then is my hope?
If my heart condemns me, there is that which is Greater.
Therein is my hope. This is the message: God IS Love.

~Sparrow
 
"MY sheep hear MY voice." Is it possible that I don't recognize God's voice because God isn't speeking to me? That I am not one of "His sheep"? Perhaps I can't hear what isn't being spoken TO me. Many of you are certain as to "hearing God's voice", and that increases your faith. Maybe my problem is that God isn't speeking to me, hasn't called me, and as the Calvanist would suggest, was created for destruction.

I can serve all I can (and do with the music at my church), but maybe it is an act of futility, . . . . except that it may play a role in other ACTUAL called people to be saved. :shrug
 
I think the voice most hear is the voice of thier religion and that is all that matters. My sheep knoe my voice.

Knowledge-- knowledge of HIM! No wonder the prophet bemoaned the fact that "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge." (Hosea 4:6). Without a knowledge of Him, there is no life, for "This is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent." (John 17:3).

To KNOW-- literally, TO KNOW BY EXPERIENCE. It is not a mere form of head-knowledge, mental assent to a few doctrines about Him, but it is to EXPERIENCE HIM. Same word is found in John 8:32, "Ye shall know (by experience) the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Thank God, for the promise, "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." (Habakkuk 2:14). "For all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest." (Hebrews 8: 11 ).

So many of God’s people today have been seduced by an imitation anointing; the land is filled with lying signs, wonders, miracles, and prophesying by those who will one day come before the Lord, saying, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name, and in Thy name have cast out devils, and in Thy name done many wonderful works?†Then will the Lord profess unto them, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (lawlessness)†(Mat. 7:22-23). That’s not a heaven or hell issue! The Lord is saying, “I never knew you as Lord, I never knew you in intimacy of fellowship and vital union. I never knew you as a man knows a woman. You did all those works, but you did those things in my name. You did things you wanted to do and you did it as by my authority and at my word  but I had nothing to do with it! Can we not see by this that within these folks the religious soul is acting independent of the spirit. It is the spirit of Jezebel!



Orion said:
"MY sheep hear MY voice." Is it possible that I don't recognize God's voice because God isn't speeking to me? That I am not one of "His sheep"? Perhaps I can't hear what isn't being spoken TO me. Many of you are certain as to "hearing God's voice", and that increases your faith. Maybe my problem is that God isn't speeking to me, hasn't called me, and as the Calvanist would suggest, was created for destruction.

I can serve all I can (and do with the music at my church), but maybe it is an act of futility, . . . . except that it may play a role in other ACTUAL called people to be saved. :shrug
 
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