RE: Orion Define faith...
Well, faith is not believing in that which holds no proof. You got it all wrong right from the start of your answer there.
What do you base your trust on?
And where are you getting your definitions from?
Surely, the bible doesn't tell you to trust in misguided man nor does it tell you to trust in your own carnal mind. Are you listening to the words of man or are you listening to the TRUTH IN THE HOLY WORD OF GOD. What are you speaking, from the mind of man without the knowledge of God instilled in him, or are you speaking from the knowledge of the HOLY WORD instilled in you? There are only two sides to this coin... One side is truth and the other side is the lie. Are you flipping the coin and believing what may? or are you sticking to the one side that is only based upon the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH, that no other can deny or challenge or prove it as being false? Double mindedness is not a good master.
Do you base what you believe on the Word of God or the word of man who is left to himself without the wisdom of the Lord to base His truth upon?
God is not a God who doesn't prove his word true! God does not lie. If man sees his word as a lie then man is misinterpreting the HOLY WORD. God speaks truth. Our Trust must only be in HIS TRUTH, not doctrines of man who mess up the interpretation of the HOLY TRUTH OF GOD. God is NOT a liar. .. It is man who misinterprets what is from the truth to only pervert it.
Not true, by the answers and comments that you have made here, it is obvious that your definition of "Faith" is not all that clear to you.
The biblical definition of "faith" is as follows:
Orion, since I asked you to define faith, no one came up with the Biblical definition of "Faith". You all came up with your own definition and started to get all philosophical and out of context to "BIBLICAL" definition of terms.
IF you can't grasp the "BIBLICAL" definition of the term in it's broad sense, then you'll never know what it means to have faith in a "Holy" GOD, nor will you know what it means to have faith in any of your prayers which must be in alignment with the Holy Truth OF a HOLY GOD.
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Now define what your understanding of the word Holy. And define your understanding of the word holy .
And then, define what your understanding of the word Lord. And then define what your understanding of the word lord.
And again same doing with the word Spirit. And again with the word spirit.
If you can't grasp the meaning and the authority of one over the other, then you truly must get back to the basics of Biblical definition of terms and how the meanings of them could, would, and should apply to your daily life and your journey onward unto the Overcoming the carnal "things of this world". Yes, God created the material, but he also provided the spiritual means of controlling them. We have choices.... to choose the spirit that is inferior to the Spirit of God, or to choose the Spirit that is offered to us through the CHRIST we know as Jesus, the Son of God. son of a lesser god... or Son of God. God does not stop us from our choices, but in so doing, we are subject to consequences of our choices. The Book of Genesis teaches us that all too well.
We either believe what God tells us through the Inspired Holy Word, or we don't believe the Truth God speaks ... as did Eve and Lucifer, and Judas and many others who fell into demise for not trusting the truth of a HOLY GOD. The choice is up to you.... You don't have to have some feeling about it. You either beleive the truth or you don't, you either LIVE by it or you don't. The PROOOF comes out in the end of all matters! Sooner or later, many times sooner than later, and other times later than sooner. WE are not the judge as to when the fruition of any of it comes into being... But we can rest fully assured that ALL THINGS WILL BE REVEALED. IN GOD'S DUE TIME. If you can't trust the Truth in God's Holy Word, then you are only following the carnal mind or the spirit of confusion which comes to steal kill and destroy, to pervert the Truth of a HOLY GOD. You must place your trust in GOD. That is up to you, no matter what spirit comes to deter your trust... You must stand firm on where you place your trust. IN GOD WE TRUST.... Do you ? Or do you trust in the voice of confusion? The demon spirits that come to steer you away from the steadfast Truth of God.
God does not expect us to believe in something that isn't provable. WE must expect the TRUTH, not doubt it. Are you studying the bible? Are you understanding the Word of God as it is defined? or are you defining the word of God based upon lies of the devil who comes to tell you God expects us to believe on something that can't be proven! That's baloney Orion. God proves all things and reveals the lie, he reveals the truth. It's all in HIS due time. History proves that much! If you don't beleive History as it is given to us in the bible, then what do you believe? confusion? Lies? IN GOD I TRUST.... no one else. I pray you come to stop with all the perverted twisted defining of biblical TRUTH. Rely only on biblical definition of terms....not man's carnal mindedness, or the lies of spirits come against the The Truth of God.
Orion said:There are many definitions. In a religion, though, it is believing in that which holds no proof. This faith comes from accepting the doctrines therein, preached on Sunday, and personal times of reading the holy texts. The danger of this is, MANY religions do the same thing.
Well, faith is not believing in that which holds no proof. You got it all wrong right from the start of your answer there.
What do you base your trust on?
And where are you getting your definitions from?
Surely, the bible doesn't tell you to trust in misguided man nor does it tell you to trust in your own carnal mind. Are you listening to the words of man or are you listening to the TRUTH IN THE HOLY WORD OF GOD. What are you speaking, from the mind of man without the knowledge of God instilled in him, or are you speaking from the knowledge of the HOLY WORD instilled in you? There are only two sides to this coin... One side is truth and the other side is the lie. Are you flipping the coin and believing what may? or are you sticking to the one side that is only based upon the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH, that no other can deny or challenge or prove it as being false? Double mindedness is not a good master.
Do you base what you believe on the Word of God or the word of man who is left to himself without the wisdom of the Lord to base His truth upon?
God is not a God who doesn't prove his word true! God does not lie. If man sees his word as a lie then man is misinterpreting the HOLY WORD. God speaks truth. Our Trust must only be in HIS TRUTH, not doctrines of man who mess up the interpretation of the HOLY TRUTH OF GOD. God is NOT a liar. .. It is man who misinterprets what is from the truth to only pervert it.
Orion said:My point about "faith and God" is that God is said to know all things, yet requires US to accept something that IS unknown and could not be proven. This would be something that would be foreign to God, having to believe in something by faith alone, yet judging based on it.
Not true, by the answers and comments that you have made here, it is obvious that your definition of "Faith" is not all that clear to you.
The biblical definition of "faith" is as follows:
- Hebrews 11:1-3
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Orion, since I asked you to define faith, no one came up with the Biblical definition of "Faith". You all came up with your own definition and started to get all philosophical and out of context to "BIBLICAL" definition of terms.
IF you can't grasp the "BIBLICAL" definition of the term in it's broad sense, then you'll never know what it means to have faith in a "Holy" GOD, nor will you know what it means to have faith in any of your prayers which must be in alignment with the Holy Truth OF a HOLY GOD.
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Now define what your understanding of the word Holy. And define your understanding of the word holy .
And then, define what your understanding of the word Lord. And then define what your understanding of the word lord.
And again same doing with the word Spirit. And again with the word spirit.
If you can't grasp the meaning and the authority of one over the other, then you truly must get back to the basics of Biblical definition of terms and how the meanings of them could, would, and should apply to your daily life and your journey onward unto the Overcoming the carnal "things of this world". Yes, God created the material, but he also provided the spiritual means of controlling them. We have choices.... to choose the spirit that is inferior to the Spirit of God, or to choose the Spirit that is offered to us through the CHRIST we know as Jesus, the Son of God. son of a lesser god... or Son of God. God does not stop us from our choices, but in so doing, we are subject to consequences of our choices. The Book of Genesis teaches us that all too well.
We either believe what God tells us through the Inspired Holy Word, or we don't believe the Truth God speaks ... as did Eve and Lucifer, and Judas and many others who fell into demise for not trusting the truth of a HOLY GOD. The choice is up to you.... You don't have to have some feeling about it. You either beleive the truth or you don't, you either LIVE by it or you don't. The PROOOF comes out in the end of all matters! Sooner or later, many times sooner than later, and other times later than sooner. WE are not the judge as to when the fruition of any of it comes into being... But we can rest fully assured that ALL THINGS WILL BE REVEALED. IN GOD'S DUE TIME. If you can't trust the Truth in God's Holy Word, then you are only following the carnal mind or the spirit of confusion which comes to steal kill and destroy, to pervert the Truth of a HOLY GOD. You must place your trust in GOD. That is up to you, no matter what spirit comes to deter your trust... You must stand firm on where you place your trust. IN GOD WE TRUST.... Do you ? Or do you trust in the voice of confusion? The demon spirits that come to steer you away from the steadfast Truth of God.
God does not expect us to believe in something that isn't provable. WE must expect the TRUTH, not doubt it. Are you studying the bible? Are you understanding the Word of God as it is defined? or are you defining the word of God based upon lies of the devil who comes to tell you God expects us to believe on something that can't be proven! That's baloney Orion. God proves all things and reveals the lie, he reveals the truth. It's all in HIS due time. History proves that much! If you don't beleive History as it is given to us in the bible, then what do you believe? confusion? Lies? IN GOD I TRUST.... no one else. I pray you come to stop with all the perverted twisted defining of biblical TRUTH. Rely only on biblical definition of terms....not man's carnal mindedness, or the lies of spirits come against the The Truth of God.
- Hebrews 11:1-3
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.