How Can You Nitpick the Bible?

[Pard]

How can some people and denominations nitpick the Bible and still be comfortable with it? Honestly, if the entire Bible is not true I am not sure how any of it could be true. The Bible is the literal Word of God. It is His very word and He used the hands of men (some VERY lucky men!) to write it. In order to believe any part of the Bible all of it must be true, for me.

If the flood did not happen, then who is to say Jesus happened? Once you break a single part of the Bible it all comes down...

So how can some openly deny Genesis and still have faith that the Bible is correct about Jesus? How can some openly deny Revelations and still have faith that the Bible is correct? Even the little things count! How can you say that we should be moderate in our love for God?

It boggles the mind how this works out. I have asked this before, but no one could answer it (they were all boggled too). It's been a few months, so I ask again...

Also, how can you claim the Bible is the words of mere men... and still claim that Jesus really did die for your sins? I have heard people say this, last I checked men are liars. Will you just hope they are not lying about this?

 

[coffeeelover]

How can some people and denominations nitpick the Bible and still be comfortable with it? Honestly, if the entire Bible is not true I am not sure how any of it could be true. The Bible is the literal Word of God. It is His very word and He used the hands of men (some VERY lucky men!) to write it. In order to believe any part of the Bible all of it must be true, for me.

If the flood did not happen, then who is to say Jesus happened? Once you break a single part of the Bible it all comes down...

So how can some openly deny Genesis and still have faith that the Bible is correct about Jesus? How can some openly deny Revelations and still have faith that the Bible is correct? Even the little things count! How can you say that we should be moderate in our love for God?

It boggles the mind how this works out. I have asked this before, but no one could answer it (they were all boggled too). It's been a few months, so I ask again...

Also, how can you claim the Bible is the words of mere men... and still claim that Jesus really did die for your sins? I have heard people say this, last I checked men are liars. Will you just hope they are not lying about this?

Not all of it has to be taken literally. Just because you can't see why doesn't make it impossible. All or nothing thinking is a cognative distortion. Many people fall prey to it. These people tend to see things in extremes as well. It is often associated with depression and addiction. It is very common among children of alcoholics. Welcome to Adult Children of Alcoholics - World Service Organization, Inc.

 

[coffeeelover]

How can some people and denominations nitpick the Bible and still be comfortable with it? Honestly, if the entire Bible is not true I am not sure how any of it could be true. The Bible is the literal Word of God. It is His very word and He used the hands of men (some VERY lucky men!) to write it. In order to believe any part of the Bible all of it must be true, for me.

If the flood did not happen, then who is to say Jesus happened? Once you break a single part of the Bible it all comes down...

So how can some openly deny Genesis and still have faith that the Bible is correct about Jesus? How can some openly deny Revelations and still have faith that the Bible is correct? Even the little things count! How can you say that we should be moderate in our love for God?

It boggles the mind how this works out. I have asked this before, but no one could answer it (they were all boggled too). It's been a few months, so I ask again...

Also, how can you claim the Bible is the words of mere men... and still claim that Jesus really did die for your sins? I have heard people say this, last I checked men are liars. Will you just hope they are not lying about this?

Not all of it has to be taken literally. Just because you can't see why doesn't make it impossible. All or nothing thinking is a cognitive distortion. Many people fall prey to it. These people tend to see things in extremes as well. It is often associated with depression and addiction. It is very common among children of alcoholics.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Pard, the reason is because most of the old testament are oral stories past from generation to generation. Genesis specifically. It was the tales and collections of oral histories from a tribal people.

The new testament was a collection of many authors who where trying to explain the teachings of a man that lived 40 to 100 years before the first gospel ( Mark was even written).

Revelations was actually severely debated and many Gospels where rejected. All being claimed to be the inspired work. When you have to vote to decide what is inspired and not, then that brings up red flags. Then there is the parts in the old testament that mirror other tales at the, like Gilgamesh that even admits to being fictional.


Its deep study and questioning that brings people to question and not believe. Its actually not that hard to grasp. As a new Christian you are still enveloped in the high that is acceptance. Give a few years and you will form doubts. I've never met a Christian that could honestly say they don't have some form of doubt about the Bible.

 

[lovely]

How can some people and denominations nitpick the Bible and still be comfortable with it? Honestly, if the entire Bible is not true I am not sure how any of it could be true. The Bible is the literal Word of God. It is His very word and He used the hands of men (some VERY lucky men!) to write it. In order to believe any part of the Bible all of it must be true, for me.

If the flood did not happen, then who is to say Jesus happened? Once you break a single part of the Bible it all comes down...

So how can some openly deny Genesis and still have faith that the Bible is correct about Jesus? How can some openly deny Revelations and still have faith that the Bible is correct? Even the little things count! How can you say that we should be moderate in our love for God?

It boggles the mind how this works out. I have asked this before, but no one could answer it (they were all boggled too). It's been a few months, so I ask again...

Also, how can you claim the Bible is the words of mere men... and still claim that Jesus really did die for your sins? I have heard people say this, last I checked men are liars. Will you just hope they are not lying about this?

1. no belief...the Word of God is not dwelling in them and they do not believe that All scripture is inspired. So, the idea that it's good for doctrine, reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, so that we can be 'furnished' for good works is just OUT. It can't be true, because there is not belief in God or understanding that He is Truth and Holy. Some may quote the parts they feel make God appear evil, but not acknowledge any wisdom or history...it's just a book, or a tool of argument, for the unbeliever because they don't believe. (This is as it should be, and one can not judge unbelievers...'But for the grace of God...'

2. Some who may believe, or call themselves believers, do not want to appear foolish before men, and so they use man-centered reasoning...which is just vanity...to justify Christ to the world and themselves. Instead, they need to be willing to confess Christ before men, and understand that many will think them foolish because of it...loose their lives. Some may be just tares, and others just may need to grow, but even the mature believer does this to a degree, because we will form an opinion before we look to the Holy Spirit and the Scripture to teach us.

3. Some choose to follow men and man-made teachings, like Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians, instead of living in unity...it doesn't have to be that way. We can find unity in Christ, and the pillars of the Christian faith, even if we are of different denominations and beliefs. (I think we are all guilty of this too.) Thankfully, the Bible tells us that the body will mature to love, and so this won't always be the case as God continues to wash us in the Word and redeem.

4. Sin...sin deceives and hardens our hearts, and so we tend not to love God with our all our mind, heart, and might, and we look to our own understanding. (We are all absolutely guilty of this.) This is just the battle of the believer, who is dying to Himself...it should inspire us to die off and bear fruit!

I am sure there are more. The Lord bless you.

 

[Pard]

Thank you for actually answer my OP, lovely. Good answers, by the way.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Thank you for actually answer my OP, lovely. Good answers, by the way.

I answered your OP fully. I just don't think you care because its contrary to what you want to hear.

I'm not going to sugar coat it for you. Most peopel who read the Bible from where I'm at get hit with the accounts in Genesis that we want to forget ( the killing of entire tribes, the women who had to submit and give birth even when their masters treated them badly, the accounts of lieing for power, and the rape and enslavement of women from other tribes.)

 

[Pard]

No Lance, you did not answer my OP. I asked how someone could only believe in the parts of the Bible they want and deny other parts as pure lies and all the while still believe in Jesus. Had I wanted someone to tell me that I am an idiot who is susceptible to delusion because I am experiencing some form of high, I'd have asked for that.

Also, your answer hinges on me believing in the Bible strictly from faith. I came to the Bible in the first place because I was opposed to the story science was trying to give me. I was opposed an old earth and a big bang and all that junk long before I was a Christian, and there are atheists who are. Jason has a book by some of them, go ask him for the name. I originally came to the Bible because I saw that the Biblical story of creation was FAR more believable than the scientific one (I have always known there is a Being greater than us, btw). So me "high" from being a new Christian has nothing to do with it.

Besides that I choose to see the evidence not only against an old earth and all that, but the staggering evidence for a new earth, I don't hide it away in a closet and I don't worry about looking in the closets of the scientific community.

 

[Pard]

Not all of it has to be taken literally. Just because you can't see why doesn't make it impossible. All or nothing thinking is a cognative distortion. Many people fall prey to it. These people tend to see things in extremes as well. It is often associated with depression and addiction. It is very common among children of alcoholics. Welcome to Adult Children of Alcoholics - World Service Organization, Inc.

It boggles the mind how you can even call yourself a Christian and then make extremely rude statements like this. You are like a Pharisee, you are a hypocrite. You whine when someone is not acting Christ-like enough for you, but you do not even have a Christ-like bone in your body, or at least that is how you exude yourself on here.

But your peace is with God, not I. I only am quoting this so people will see how you act, even after you get smart and delete those posts of yours.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

No Lance, you did not answer my OP.

Yes I did. You just don't like my answer as I stated above.

I asked how someone could only believe in the parts of the Bible they want and deny other parts

As I answered by pointing out that when some actually read the Bible and realize that most of it is oral stories passed on generation to generation and a primitive view of how the world was formed.

as pure lies and all the while still believe in Jesus.

That wasn't part of the original question, this is called moving the goal posts. Where the arguer changes the evidence needed or the stipulations of evidence when presented with it.

Had I wanted someone to tell me that I am an idiot who is susceptible to delusion because I am experiencing some form of high, I'd have asked for that.

I didn't tell you, you where an idiot or delusional. I actually think you are quite intelligent. Only that since you are still new to Christianity, you are still riding on the feeling you got when you came to it and aren't ready to critically analyze it yet. That's completely different from me calling you an idiot.

Also, your answer hinges on me believing in the Bible strictly from faith.

Which you do.

I came to the Bible in the first place because I was opposed to the story science was trying to give me.

Science dosen't give or sell you a story. Its just analysis of the world around you and attempts to explain the complexety of it all.

I was opposed an old earth and a big bang and all that junk long before I was a Christian,

Why? What struck you as odd about the earth and cosmos being billions of years old.

and there are atheists who are. Jason has a book by some of them, go ask him for the name.

You mean the Railiens? So what? I'm asking you and talking to you. Not them.

I originally came to the Bible because I saw that the Biblical story of creation was FAR more believable than the scientific one

How so? What makes the Biblical account more believable?

(I have always known there is a Being greater than us, btw).

And? I believe their is a higher power as well.

So me "high" from being a new Christian has nothing to do with it.

Actually, you railing against me for simply asking, is obvious that you aren't willing to sit back and discus. You are still holding a special anex in your mind not allowing questions to enter.

Besides that I choose to see the evidence not only against an old earth and all that, but the staggering evidence for a new earth,

All the evidence I've seen is easily disproven and shown to either be scewed or outright lies. Geology was started by Christians to actually prove how God did it. They soon found out that it being literal was going to be a problem.

I don't hide it away in a closet and I don't worry about looking in the closets of the scientific community.

I don't think you've actually taken time to understand science. Otherwise you wouldn't be so against the old earth acceptance.

 

[Pard]

Actually, I did ask how they can deny parts of the Bible and still believe in Jesus, go re-read my post. It is on a line all by itself... nevermind I'll repost it

If the flood did not happen, then who is to say Jesus happened? Once you break a single part of the Bible it all comes down...

So how can some openly deny Genesis and still have faith that the Bible is correct about Jesus? How can some openly deny Revelations and still have faith that the Bible is correct? Even the little things count! How can you say that we should be moderate in our love for God?

Also, how can you claim the Bible is the words of mere men... and still claim that Jesus really did die for your sins? I have heard people say this, last I checked men are liars. Will you just hope they are not lying about this?

Maybe my "high" is getting in my way, huh? But it appears, to me, that I made it pretty obvious that I want to know how you can call parts of the Bible a lie or a story and then still believe in the Jesus part (which, frankly, is one of the hardest parts to believe...)

Oh, and I am not going to reply to everything you said, there is no need. But I added the greater Being part simply so you had enough background to understand why I did see the Bible origins as possible.

And I honestly have no problem with your answer, I just seriously did not find it to be an answer to the question I asked, but rather an answer to a different question entirely.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Actually, I did ask how they can deny parts of the Bible and still believe in Jesus, go re-read my post. It is on a line all by itself... nevermind I'll repost it

You changed the criteria by adding that if you don't believe in the flood, then you must believe Jesus was a liar. That's not in your first post. Don't doge it.

Maybe my "high" is getting in my way, huh?

Yep

But it appears, to me, that I made it pretty obvious that I want to know how you can call parts of the Bible a lie or a story and then still believe in the Jesus part (which, frankly, is one of the hardest parts to believe...)

No its not. Believing a person preached philosophy is no where near as fantastic as believing that the earth was created from nothing and that the stars and sun came after the earth.

Oh, and I am not going to reply to everything you said, there is no need.

You are back in your anex again and refuse to discuss claims that you don't want to hear again. Its obvious you don't actually want discussion. Only for us to agree.

But I added the greater Being part simply so you had enough background to understand why I did see the Bible origins as possible.

Its not an answer though. So what? It dosen't explain how you find this more believable.

And I honestly have no problem with your answer, I just seriously did not find it to be an answer to the question I asked, but rather an answer to a different question entirely.

Because it dosen't agree with your preconceived notions. You wanted an answer to why people don't believe parts of the Bible, I answered. You don't want to accept it and you are moving the goal posts and refuse to discuss anything.

 

[jasoncran]

Not all of it has to be taken literally. Just because you can't see why doesn't make it impossible. All or nothing thinking is a cognitive distortion. Many people fall prey to it. These people tend to see things in extremes as well. It is often associated with depression and addiction. It is very common among children of alcoholics.

if this is meant to be an insult, that is most troublesome. As if we are all mad for believing in the bible.what a shame.
insults arent taken well here to the faith we hold dear.

the same could be said of any religion.

 

[Oats]

“Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.†1


I'm cool with you lance....but I think you should put a little more faith in the word...

Coffelover? Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Saviour....
You're on skeptical rascal....

 

[coffeeelover]

if this is meant to be an insult, that is most troublesome. As if we are all mad for believing in the bible.what a shame.
insults arent taken well here to the faith we hold dear.

the same could be said of any religion.

Not meant to be an insult. He or anyone who only sees things in extreme or black and white terms needs to reevaluate how they think about the world. It isn't healthy to hold views in such a manner.

I agree it could be said of pretty much any religion. Extremeist Muslims think in much the same manner.

Such thinking is indeed an indicator of depression and addiction.

 

[jasoncran]

so, i guess the entire realm of law enforcement is that way as well, they do work with the law , when it comes to enforcement they dont pick the intent of the breaker of the law as the reason not to put him away but that rather he did do it.

i have to enforce alot of regs and the military is very black and white.
do you recall that col who shot near that iraquis head, yet he saved lives by that. yet he was punished.

or that fact that the rogue plattoon will see justice for their murders.

even in war and all its weird ethical situations rules are enforced. if not discipline is lost and we are just a mob of vengeful americans.

 

[coffeeelover]

so, i guess the entire realm of law enforcement is that way as well, they do work with the law , when it comes to enforcement they dont pick the intent of the breaker of the law as the reason not to put him away but that rather he did do it.

i have to enforce alot of regs and the military is very black and white.
do you recall that col who shot near that iraquis head, yet he saved lives by that. yet he was punished.

or that fact that the rogue plattoon will see justice for their murders.

even in war and all its weird ethical situations rules are enforced. if not discipline is lost and we are just a mob of vengeful americans.

Black and white extreme thinking is not intellectually or emotionally mature or healthy.

 

[jasoncran]

then you are saying the entire ucmj is and was written by mental midgets along with the entire juris prudence of the united states.

there are some wiggle room in the regs but that isnt much. very little.

the law is the same.

 

[Oats]

Not meant to be an insult. He or anyone who only sees things in extreme or black and white terms needs to reevaluate how they think about the world. It isn't healthy to hold views in such a manner.

I agree it could be said of pretty much any religion. Extremeist Muslims think in much the same manner.

Such thinking is indeed an indicator of depression and addiction.

you expressed a black and white view yourself

If he doesn't think the way you do he's unhealthy(black
If he does than he is a "good" Christian(white)


seems like hypocrisy

Who am I to judge...forgive me If i hit any nerves of anyone

 

[coffeeelover]

then you are saying the entire ucmj is and was written by mental midgets along with the entire juris prudence of the united states.

there are some wiggle room in the regs but that isnt much. very little.

the law is the same.

Intent does indeed play a role in what crime one is charged with.

You are also one who tends to take examples to extremes. Lets just discuss things rationally. The military does not automatically relate to every issue in the world.