HOW CHRISTIANS DESTROY THE DOCTRINE OF IMPUTATION OF 2 Cor. 5:21

[jeremiah1five]

21 he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.

So, how do Christians destroy the Doctrine of Imputation? They do it by believing and teaching that Adam became a sinner because he sinned - completely ignoring and rejecting the sinfulness of Adam at his creation. There is ONLY ONE GOD, there is NONE like Him, and He (God) gives His glory (of which sinlessness, holiness, and righteousness) are the nature and attributes of God. God does not give these attributes to NO ONE the Scripture says. But Christians reject the Scripture that teaches this and postulate their own erroneous theology into their belief systems and even spread the error to other Christian - and God help them, to new born Christians who don't know how to study the Scripture on their own and take the easy way out of learning and regurgitate false teaching that's in the Church.

IF it is the act of sin (Adam's eating of the tree) that make us sinners then the Scripture in 2 Corinthians 5:21 would red like this:

he hath made him [to be] the ACT OF sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the ACT OF righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.

But the Word of Truth says this:

he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.
(the words 'to be' in brackets were added by the KJV translators for sentence understanding as the syntax between Greek and English are not always the same.)

So, reading it without the translators additional words it would read like this:

he hath made him sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.

God placed the sins of His Elect upon His Son and made Him sin for us. In effect, it was a nature-swap. We took on Christ's righteous-nature and Christ took on our sin nature. And our sin nature was the nature of Adam at his creation for again which was sin-ful-ness. There is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE. And God's glory is His sinlessness, His Holiness, His Righteousness and all the other nature/attributes of God. IF Adam was created sinless or holy then that means God gave His glory to another, but Scripture says He didn't.

Christians simply do not understand this when they say Adam was a sinner BECAUSE he sinned.

The truth is that Adam sinned BECAUSE HE WAS A SINNER. (before the act of sin of disobedience.)

 

[for_his_glory]

A theif is not a theif until he steals something. A Christian is not a Christian until they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Please show us the scripture where God created Adam a sinner in Genesis.

 

[jeremiah1five]

A theif is not a theif until he steals something. A Christian is not a Christian until they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Please show us the scripture where God created Adam a sinner in Genesis.

NO ONE ACCEPTS Jesus as Lord because Scripture teaches NO ONE SEEKS GOD.

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom. 3:11.

And

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn 3:19–20.

Now, I am expecting you to post some theory that this truth doesn't mean what it says and that it means something else. I really am.

 

[jeremiah1five]

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GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL

“Sin” or “sinful” as Strong defines the word means "missing the mark." What is the "mark?" The mark (or standard) is the glory of God (or the glory that is God.) I used to believe early when after I was saved because I was taught this from the pulpit that man/Adam was created sinless, was...

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[for_his_glory]

NO ONE ACCEPTS Jesus as Lord because Scripture teaches NO ONE SEEKS GOD.

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom. 3:11.

And

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn 3:19–20.

Now, I am expecting you to post some theory that this truth doesn't mean what it says and that it means something else. I really am.

Still waiting for that scripture where it says God created Adam a sinner.

You say and gave the verse that none understand and there is none that seek after God. If that be so then even you do not seek God and you would have no understanding. See where I am coming from.

 

[Hopeful]

21 he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.

So, how do Christians destroy the Doctrine of Imputation? They do it by believing and teaching that Adam became a sinner because he sinned - completely ignoring and rejecting the sinfulness of Adam at his creation. There is ONLY ONE GOD, there is NONE like Him, and He (God) gives His glory (of which sinlessness, holiness, and righteousness) are the nature and attributes of God. God does not give these attributes to NO ONE the Scripture says. But Christians reject the Scripture that teaches this and postulate their own erroneous theology into their belief systems and even spread the error to other Christian - and God help them, to new born Christians who don't know how to study the Scripture on their own and take the easy way out of learning and regurgitate false teaching that's in the Church.

IF it is the act of sin (Adam's eating of the tree) that make us sinners then the Scripture in 2 Corinthians 5:21 would red like this:

he hath made him [to be] the ACT OF sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the ACT OF righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.

But the Word of Truth says this:

he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.
(the words 'to be' in brackets were added by the KJV translators for sentence understanding as the syntax between Greek and English are not always the same.)

So, reading it without the translators additional words it would read like this:

he hath made him sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor. 5:21.

God placed the sins of His Elect upon His Son and made Him sin for us. In effect, it was a nature-swap. We took on Christ's righteous-nature and Christ took on our sin nature. And our sin nature was the nature of Adam at his creation for again which was sin-ful-ness. There is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE. And God's glory is His sinlessness, His Holiness, His Righteousness and all the other nature/attributes of God. IF Adam was created sinless or holy then that means God gave His glory to another, but Scripture says He didn't.

Christians simply do not understand this when they say Adam was a sinner BECAUSE he sinned.

The truth is that Adam sinned BECAUSE HE WAS A SINNER. (before the act of sin of disobedience.)

What sin did Adam commit before eating the forbidden fruit?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Still waiting for that scripture where it says God created Adam a sinner.

You say and gave the verse that none understand and there is none that seek after God. If that be so then even you do not seek God and you would have no understanding. See where I am coming from.

There are many passages that address the creation of man. But you have to study them to come to the knowledge of the truth. Just as at one time there was no passage in the Old Testament that said God was a Trinity or that there was such a Person as the Son of God until the Advent of Christ. Compare spiritual with spiritual, precept with precept to learn the great doctrines of the Christian faith.
Read my original entry to see the Scripture that concerns the creation of man. One MUST first have their doctrine of Christ in the right place because what I post comes from 46 years of study and learning.

And the passages I posted the NONE SEEK GOD or NEITHER COMETH TO THE LIGHT [Christ] concerns those not saved and not in Covenant with God. But once persons become children of God and in Covenant they cry Abba, Father.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 1 Cor. 2:14–15.

 

[jeremiah1five]

What sin did Adam commit before eating the forbidden fruit?

He was created with a sin nature. He sinned because he was a sinner. The command of THOU SHALT NOT (eat of it) proves this among other passages of Scripture that need to be studied to come to the knowledge of the truth.

As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sam. 24:13.

That's the same as 'sin cometh from sinner.'

Sin does not come from holy - which is what the churches overall believe when the teach Adam was holy or perfect or righteous, or innocent, or neutral, and all those other erroneous words of description in the church today. Sin comes from sinner. Adam sinned. Thus, in this truth he showed, or should I say, SCRIPTURE shows he was a sinner created that way by God because there is only ONE GOD, there is none like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE.

 

[Hopeful]

He was created with a sin nature. He sinned because he was a sinner. The command of THOU SHALT NOT (eat of it) proves this among other passages of Scripture that need to be studied to come to the knowledge of the truth.

As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sam. 24:13.

That's the same as 'sin cometh from sinner.'

Sin does not come from holy - which is what the churches overall believe when the teach Adam was holy or perfect or righteous, or innocent, or neutral, and all those other erroneous words of description in the church today. Sin comes from sinner. Adam sinned. Thus, in this truth he showed, or should I say, SCRIPTURE shows he was a sinner created that way by God because there is only ONE GOD, there is none like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE.

You keep saying that, but there is no proof that he was a sinner, before he was a sinner.
I wasn't a mechanic before I started repairing cars...was I?

 

[jeremiah1five]

You keep saying that, but there is no proof that he was a sinner, before he was a sinner.
I wasn't a mechanic before I started repairing cars...was I?

Question for you:

Does sin come from sinner?

Or

Does sin come from holy?

 

[Hopeful]

Question for you:

Does sin come from sinner?

Or

Does sin come from holy?

Sin comes from those who forsake holiness for self-gratification.

 

[JLB]

They do it by believing and teaching that Adam became a sinner because he sinned - completely ignoring and rejecting the sinfulness of Adam at his creation.

God created Adam in His image and likeness.

Is God a sinner?


Adam made the choice to disobey God.




JLB

 

[JLB]

Question for you:

Does sin come from sinner?

Or

Does sin come from holy?

Sin, disobedience comes from a person choosing to disobey God.


Just as a person is righteous, because they have chosen to practice righteousness.


Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7




JLB

 

[jeremiah1five]

God created Adam in His image and likeness.

Is God a sinner?


Adam made the choice to disobey God.




JLB

Answer me...

Does sin come from sinner?

Or

Does sin come from holy?

Which?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sin, disobedience comes from a person choosing to disobey God.


Just as a person is righteous, because they have chosen to practice righteousness.


Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7




JLB

So, you agree sin comes from sinner.

Finally, you agree Adam was a sinner BEFORE he disobeyed because sin comes from sinner and Adam sinned.

Thank you.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sin comes from those who forsake holiness for self-gratification.

So, if they forsake holiness then they are holy to begin with.

You just said sin comes from holy.

 

[for_his_glory]

There are many passages that address the creation of man. But you have to study them to come to the knowledge of the truth. Just as at one time there was no passage in the Old Testament that said God was a Trinity or that there was such a Person as the Son of God until the Advent of Christ. Compare spiritual with spiritual, precept with precept to learn the great doctrines of the Christian faith.
Read my original entry to see the Scripture that concerns the creation of man. One MUST first have their doctrine of Christ in the right place because what I post comes from 46 years of study and learning.

And the passages I posted the NONE SEEK GOD or NEITHER COMETH TO THE LIGHT [Christ] concerns those not saved and not in Covenant with God. But once persons become children of God and in Covenant they cry Abba, Father.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 1 Cor. 2:14–15.

I'm done with you putting others, including me, down like we are all ignorant of understanding the word of God and only you hold all truths. This needs to stop as there is no unity in divisions.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I'm done with you putting others, including me, down like we are all ignorant of understanding the word of God and only you hold all truths. This needs to stop as there is no unity in divisions.

The Lord said He came with a sword and to bring division (truth from false.)

Now, if you accusing me with a sin then under Matthew 18:15 tell me what I did that offended you.
Privately.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Lord said He came with a sword and to bring division (truth from false.)

Now, if you accusing me with a sin then under Matthew 18:15 tell me what I did that offended you.
Privately.

Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
Luke 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

What Jesus is saying is that the coming of the gospel will bring spiritual division in the world as a family is divided when they are not in unity of the Spirit of God and lean on their own understanding without considering the understandings of others.

I am not accusing you of sin, but of the behavior you display towards others that you possibly may not be aware of. This is why we have Terms of Service that you have agreed upon when you became a member. Please go back and read the ToS 1.1 and 1.3.

 

[JLB]

So, you agree sin comes from sinner.

Adam was not created a sinner, he was created in the image of God.

God is holy. God is not a wicked sinner.

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 1:27


A sinner is a person who is wicked and unjust.

Sinner — G268

1. devoted to sin, a sinner
   1. not free from sin
   2. pre-eminently sinful, especially wicked
      1. all wicked men
      2. specifically of men stained with certain definite vices or crimes
         1. tax collectors, heathen

Adam was not created wicked and unjust.





JLB