[_ Old Earth _] How do dinosaurs fit with the Bible? @@@@@@

[Deavonreye]

I'm seeing a few Hovind style arguments above. All based on assumptions that hav e no evidence, . . . and are only stated because it [the story] is illogical without them. "People living longer", "people running faster to higher ground", etc. . . .

First, you must show valid and credible evidence that a flood took place, . . .then WHEN it took place. AKJVReader, can you do that?

 

[AKJVReader]

That's your choice, but I don't see any evidence that miracles have occurred now or in the past.

What about the supernatural realm. Do you believe in ghosts, ufo's, angels or demons? Isn't supernatural realm manifestations a kind of miracle? I have had encounters with the spiritual world so i know its true, even if some dont believe me. Didn't Josephus mention the miracles of Jesus in His works?

Six Evidences for the Genesis Flood:

Evidence #1—Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents.

We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas.

Evidence #2—Rapid burial of plants and animals.

We find extensive fossil “graveyards” and exquisitely preserved fossils. For example, billions of nautiloid fossils are found in a layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This layer was deposited catastrophically by a massive flow of sediment (mostly lime sand). The chalk and coal beds of Europe and the United States, and the fish, ichthyosaurs, insects, and other fossils all around the world, testify of catastrophic destruction and burial.

Evidence #3—Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas.

We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents—even between continents—and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days.

Evidence #4—Sediment transported long distances.

We find that the sediments in those widespread, rapidly deposited rock layers had to be eroded from distant sources and carried long distances by fast-moving water. For example, the sand for the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon (Arizona) had to be eroded and transported from the northern portion of what is now the United States and Canada. Furthermore, water current indicators (such as ripple marks) preserved in rock layers show that for “300 million years” water currents were consistently flowing from northeast to southwest across all of North and South America, which, of course, is only possible over weeks during a global flood.

Evidence #5—Rapid or no erosion between strata.

We find evidence of rapid erosion, or even of no erosion, between rock layers. Flat, knife-edge boundaries between rock layers indicate continuous deposition of one layer after another, with no time for erosion. For example, there is no evidence of any “missing” millions of years (of erosion) in the flat boundary between two well-known layers of Grand Canyon—the Coconino Sandstone and the Hermit Formation. Another impressive example of flat boundaries at Grand Canyon is the Redwall Limestone and the strata beneath it.

Evidence #6—Many strata laid down in rapid succession.

Rocks do not normally bend; they break because they are hard and brittle. But in many places we find whole sequences of strata that were bent without fracturing, indicating that all the rock layers were rapidly deposited and folded while still wet and pliable before final hardening. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone in Grand Canyon is folded at a right angle (90°) without evidence of breaking. Yet this folding could only have occurred after the rest of the layers had been deposited, supposedly over “480 million years,” while the Tapeats Sandstone remained wet and pliable.

Here is more information about a flood and when it happened (lots of evidence):
Get Answers - Answers in Genesis

 

[lordkalvan]

What about the supernatural realm. Do you believe in ghosts...

No.

...ufo's...

Some people see things in the sky that they themselves don't understand. I do not believe these are alien spacecraft from other solar systems.

...angels or demons?

No.

Isn't supernatural realm manifestations a kind of miracle?

Well, as I don't see any more evidence for a 'supernatural realm' than I do for miracles, I would have to answer no.

I have had encounters with the spiritual world so i know its true, even if some dont believe me.

And I respect your belief, but I believe that you are most likely mistaken in it.

Didn't Josephus mention the miracles of Jesus in His works?

I don't know. The 'Hindu milk miracle' is widely attested. Does that make it an actual miracle?

Six Evidences for the Genesis Flood:

Evidence #1—Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents.

We find the remains of sea creatures in mountains (and elsewhere) because of orogeny and mountain-building forces. The Himalayas are currently rising by around two inches per year. The mountains of Scotland, Scandinavia and Greenland were once part of the Caledonian Mountains, which reached to some 25-30,000 feet high; they are one-fifth that height now. There are vertical slabs of rock in the Andes that show the ripples of wave action. The Pyrenees are mountains the rocks of which were originally deposited in ocean basins. The forces that shape continental masses are slow and irresistible.

[/FONT]Evidence #2—Rapid burial of plants and animals.

How is this evidence of a single catastrophic burial in one global event, rather than, say, a continuing gradual deposition over tens of thousands of years? How are 'fossil graveyards' evidence of burial in one single event rather than several widely separated events? Your reference to 'billions' of nautiloid fossils is a gross exaggeration: I presume the source for this is Dr Steven Austin, whose findings are based on limited surveys in which, according to him, he found approximately one nautiloid fossil per square metre in a layer two metres deep. Other researchers have found the density to be around one fossil per 4-5 square metres. From his finds Austin extrapolates the number of fossils over a wide area. It is also a fact that the Burlington Formation contains the remains of countless tens of billions of crinoids. From Austin's figures and these estimates, it would appear that the pre-flood world must have consisted mostly of nautiloids and crinoids. The orgnisms that produce chalk beds are known to accumulate at about 1-8 cms per 1000 years in the most productive calcareous ooze in the deep ocean floor. The account you offer requires 400 metres of chalk to be deposited in less than one year, all in the midst of a turbulent flood. Does any of this seem more likely than these fossil remains being deposited gradually over tens of thousands of years in a long-lasting marine environment?

[/FONT]Evidence #3—Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas.

Your source offers no evidence that the deposits referred to were deposited 'rapidly' at all, nor what 'rapidly' might consist of; it simply asserts it as fact and offers a global flood as an 'explanation'. Given the problems with the mechanisms of deposition referred to above and that some of the features offered here consist of those formations, this argument should be regard with skepticism.

Evidence #4—Sediment transported long distances.[/FONT][/B]

This argument simply begins with an assumed conclusion - that sediments were 'rapidly deposited' and that 'rapid deposition' must inevitably imply a global flood - and uses that assumed conclusion to validate its 'findings'.

Evidence #5—Rapid or no erosion between strata.

This argument simply raises up a series of carefully contrived questions to knock down with a global flood 'explanation'. If deposition occurred gradually in a continuous marine environment, why would erosion have occurred at all until the strata in question were raised above sea-level? If strata were raised above sea-level in one part of the world, while the same strata remained below sea-level in another part of the world, why would you expect the exposed strata to have the same rock layers above it as the non-exposed strata? If strata were elevated above sea-level, sedimentary deposition would cease; if the strata then sank below sea-level, sedimentary deposition would begin again and there would be 'missing' strata that had not been eroded - because it was never there. All these explanations consiliently explain all the observed geologic features without any recourse to the contrived and inconsistent explanations required of a global flood model.

Evidence #6—Many strata laid down in rapid succession.

AiG needs to be honest with you and tell you want happens to rock under great pressure: it becomes plastic and bends without fracturing. They should also tell you generally about the effects of stress, hydrostatic pressure, pore pressure, and temperature. Sedimentary rock can also slump before it is fully lithified. This example is just straightforwardly misleading.

 

[Deavonreye]

^ +1

And to add to the argument of "hydrologic sorting", there is a very easy experiment that you can do that will show why strata layers could NEVER have been due to a global flood.

Take a 5 gallon fish tank and fill it with water. Find various soul types from rocks > lighter rocks > heavy sand > dirt > light sand > dust . . etc. Now, take all these ingredience, pour them into the tank. Take a big stick and stir well, then let it settle. Tell me what you find when the settling is finished. You will find the rocks on the bottom followed by the next heaviest, all the way up to the upper level which will be silt/dust or whatever is the lightest. That is true hydrologic sorting.

What do you find when you look at the geologic strata? NOT . . . . that. You have sand dunes. . . under heavy rocks . . . under river bed materials . . . under rock layers . . . under etc.

So, go back to your tank experiment. Take each of the layers you found and mix them up so they are various order. Pour one layer in and let it settle. Pour in another layer and let it settle. Do this with the other layers. At the end you will have sand under rocks. . . under silt . . . under soil . . . under pebbles. . . . under medium sized rocks, . . . etc, . . . just like what is found at the Grand Canyon area.

 

[AKJVReader]

I found some quality information:

So why did God make these dinosaurs with such big teeth and such big horns? Well, as one guy points out, maybe they were God’s original big giant lawn mowing machines. “Dinosaurs were not the only animals that grew very large. The fossils show there once were giant kangaroos, giant deer, giant birds, giant dragonflies, giant bears and bison. There were even giant beavers (eight feet long)! Even many plants grew much larger in ancient times. All animals, including the first dinosaurs, were created to benefit mankind in one way or another. God’s exact purpose for the various dinosaurs is still a mystery. Perhaps the larger dinosaurs kept certain types of lush plant life under control and cleared paths through the forest. Using their long necks, some dinosaurs could have eaten foliage at the tops of tall trees. In a thick forest, this would let light come down to the ground so smaller plants would have a chance to grow.”

The second way we know man and dinosaurs coexisted in a peaceful environment is because in the beginning Dinosaurs Weren’t All Big. Another misconception about dinosaurs is not only that they were mean ferocious meat-eaters chasing everything around, but they every single one of them was massively giant just waiting to squish you on the ground. The facts are: “Of course, some dinosaurs were very large, weighing in at an estimated 80 tons and standing 40 feet high! But the average size of a dinosaur, however, was probably about that of a small horse or even a sheep. In fact, some were as small as chickens, and others were even smaller. The Saltopus was really tiny – no bigger than a housecat. Most of the dinosaurs killed by the Flood were less than fifteen inches long, not including their tails, which made them more than twice as long. In museums, most people never see the small dinosaurs because the jumbo-sized ones are so much more impressive.”

The third way we know man and dinosaurs coexisted in a peaceful environment is because in the beginning Dinosaurs Weren’t the Rulers. Speaking of not being a threat issue, the Bible also says that when it came to the animals, which included dinosaurs, the man is the one who had dominion over them, not the other way around.
Genesis 1:26 “Then God said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
As one man points out:
“All of the animals were friendly and under man’s control. None of the animals ate meat or killed. God provided the plants and seeds with all the vitamins people and animals needed. There was no sin, no death or evil or disease. In the original Creation dinosaurs were certainly not vicious or troublesome. When God finished making the animals He said they were all “very good.” Originally, dinosaurs must have been harmless – designed to delight man and benefit the world, just like all the other animals.” Hmmm. Just like all the other animals, huh? Gee, I wonder if Adam and Even had some for pets? It certainly makes you wonder just what kind of reptiles James was talking about when he mentioned various animals that man had tamed.
James 3:7 “All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man.”

The fourth way we know man and dinosaurs coexisted in a peaceful environment is because in the beginning Dinosaurs Weren’t Brainy. You see, the facts are, many of the dinosaurs may have come with big giant bodies, but many of them didn’t come with big giant brains. And thus, they wouldn’t have been the sharpest knife in the drawer, let alone much of a quick thinker that man had to be overly concerned about, as this article shares:
“Most dinosaurs had small brains in comparison to the size of their bodies. The 29-foot long Stegosaurus had a brain the size of a walnut. Even the great Apatosaurus’s brain was not much larger than a kitten’s. If a huge Brachiosaurus could be shrunk to the size of a human, its brain would be 10,000 times smaller than Man’s. This does not necessarily mean these animals were stupid as animals go, but they were surely no match for Man’s brain.”
How many of you have ever been scared that one day a cow is going to chase you down and eat you? Yeah, the thought just doesn’t ever enter your mind, does it? Well gee, guess what? It probably did run through Adam and Eve’s minds either when they really did one day coexist with dinosaurs.
In conclusion:
“Before the Flood, there is no indication in the Bible that any of the animals ate meat or were violent and vicious. It is people that God says were so terrible and violent. By the time of the Flood, most animals must still have been able to live on plant foods alone. Every basic kind of land animal and bird in the world was on the Ark. They ate only plants during the voyage.
For God told Noah to load the ship with every kind of food the animals would need (Genesis 6:21). These foods must have been the same things God assigned to the animals in the beginning – “every green plant.”

Read more:
SermonAudio.com - 2 - A Fearful Creation - Did Man Coexist With Dinosaurs? Billy Crone

 

[Deavonreye]

So, . . . . . . .. I should take the word of a preacher over scientists that work in the field?

 

[AKJVReader]

Fact: There are about 10000 professional scientists in the US who are Christian and Creation Scientists. There is a big move in Science towards intelligent design.

I recommend these PDF resources about dinosaurs to you:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?keyword=dinosaur&currsection=sermonstopic&mediatype=PDF

Here is a sample:

GOD CREATED ANIMALS THAT FILLED THE EARTH
Dinos that range in size from the size of a chicken to 160,000 pound, 80 ton Brachiosaurus, are in 5 groups:
HORNED Triceratops and Stegosaurus
DUCKBILLED Anatosaurus 18 feet high with 2,000 teeth!
MEATEATERS Tyrannosaurus Rex 20 feet high and 50 feet long.
SMALL Strut hiomimus [ostrich mimic] ate eggs small reptiles.
BIG PLANT EATERS Diplodocus [double beamed] 100 feet long; Brontosaurus Apatosaurus 80 feet long, 40 tons; Brachiosaurus [biggest] 50 feet high, 80 feet long, 80 tons, nostrils atop dome of head!

THE GREAT DINOSAUR MYSTERY
Evolution has a problem called The Great Dinosaur Mystery. Where did the great dinosaurs come from;
How did they grow so big; and, if it is "survival of the fittest", why did these powerful creatures become extinct?
A creationist would answer, "no problem". God created the giant reptiles and may have referred to one or two of them which existed in Job's day (see Job 40:15 - 41:34). Reptiles do not have a built-in growth inhibiting factor like other animals and man. The dinosaurs would have continued growing as long as they lived. The older they got, the bigger they grew. Reptiles function best, as cold-blooded animals, in warm temperature climates. God created large reptiles which kept growing in an efficient high pressure atmosphere with plenty of warmth and unlimited supplies of lush vegetation to eat and nothing to eat them. The Bible says, "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is fife, I have given every green herb for meat..... (Genesis 1:30)
A creationist might say that a stable body temperature in a giant cold-blooded reptile is consistent with the creationist view that the earth's temperature was uniformly warm in the tropical pre-Flood heaven and earth system number one. Creationists would expect to find "...remarkable consistency of the oxygen isotopes in the dinosaur's bones...... Apparently these evolutionistic researchers would rather pretend that cold-blooded reptiles were actually warmblooded than to consider the pre-Flood pole-to-pole greenhouse wann condition of earth (6,000 years ago, not 70 million years ago) as presented by the creationist model.
The giant flying reptiles such as the pterosaurs (pterodactyls and pteranodons) would be unable to fly in our present atmosphere. They needed a heavier atmosphere to get enough air to lift them with their 40 to 50-foot wingspans. Heaven and earth system #1 would have provided the heavier atmospheric pressure necessary for the flight of these huge creatures. Evolutionists say we don't know how these giant reptiles could have flown in our atmosphere. To a creationist, this is not a problem. Heaven and earth system #I, before the water canopy came down at the flood of Noah's day, would have provided the air density needed for these huge creatures to fly. In order to protect their jobs the evolutionists dare not even suggest the global flood of Noah's day as part of the solution to their problems, and yet the Flood supplies the explanation for what we "see".
We even read in our older history books about ancient cultures which taught a global flood. Gigantism was common in the heavy pre-flood atmosphere. Fossil dragonflies with a 32-inch wingspan have been discovered and would be a frightful bug to hit your windshield! The homless rhinoceros grew to about "...seventeen feet high and nearly 30 feet long!"
Dinosaurs lived alongside people as Job testifies as well as “caveman” drawings. And God created them all!

 

[Deavonreye]

I find your information highly improbable. I see a lot of "probably" type statements which are of little value in science. Facts should never be replaced with myth. This "water canopy" stuff is typical Hovind style of psuedo-"science" . . . and has be refuted long ago by actual scientists.

 

[warhorse]

read genesis chapters 1 and 2
mm..
mm..
mm.

I want to know where in the bible, dinosaurs existence were evident?
I know NOAH had taken into the ark every creeping animal of its kind
birds of its kind
clean animals two by two
unclean animals 7 by 7 *** there were unclean & clean animals b4 MOSES...
mmmm

this is DEEP FOLKS..

So before NOAH's ark.. an ice age had happened and then a destruction of dinosaurs then a incoming of humans' existence took place thereafter.. what you think?
Something seems wrong here.. ADAM named the animals.. plants... stars... planets.... and he was aware of the anatonmy as well.. So from the very beginning of our existence we were intelligent..

we didnt live in caves... had speech... religion... family structure... purpose
nothing was created by an accident of a big bang ( evolution of creation ) .. the big bang theory is a lie..

as according to the big bang, evolution .,amoeba., life began in the water and marshlands, ice age.. ape people ... fire.....bronze age.. we have evolved from animal to modern man..
so from ou beginnings we could talk .. we hunted ... we were animals' skins ... we werent intelligent..
EVolution supporters preach that ALL LIFE STARTED IN THE SEA or marshlands ( amoeba)
then life crawled out out the water n evolved..
the 1st animals were reptiles
therefore birds were ONCE reptile- like creatures?

ALL OF THE TEACHING... DOCTRINES N RESEARCHERS EVOLUTION & THE BIG BANG ARE FALSE..
GRANITE ROCK CAN BE CREATED IN LABS
wow!!!
diamonds are created in labs too
in a jewellery store ... the customer service rep.. will ask u if u want an artificial diamond or real?

dinosaurs could have been experiments ... of mens ..

a large trex... with small arms and a huge body
mmm
freak creatures
anyways .,, the bible doesnt mention dinosaurs

the word DINO MEANS .... SUPER ... AND STRANGE AND 1ST
WHEN GOD made animals he said that they were good
they were freaky looking and had to evolved because GOD didnt finish the creation process
so evolution supporters belive that GOD does half of a job... mmm
GOD FORBID...

No, dino made the boat trip, but could not compete in the new envirement and died off like many extinct animals today do. in fact many of the fossils are found near the collisium in rome and believed to have been killed off for public sport in the arena.

 

[Deavonreye]

This is a SCIENCE forum.

 

[ronniechoate34]

How do dinosaurs fit in with the Bible?


Like a hand fits into a glove, that's how.


Ever hear of dragaons? What about a behemoth or a cockatrice? There in the Bible, but dinosaur is a new word. It isn't in the Bible.

 

[Deavonreye]

How do dinosaurs fit in with the Bible?


Like a hand fits into a glove, that's how.


Ever hear of dragaons? What about a behemoth or a cockatrice? There in the Bible, but dinosaur is a new word. It isn't in the Bible.

Dragons are mythical creatures. You know this, right? Or are you being sarcastic?

A cockatrice?

 

[lordkalvan]

I found some quality information:

So why did God make these dinosaurs with such big teeth and such big horns? Well, as one guy points out, maybe they were God’s original big giant lawn mowing machines.

Umm, carnivore teeth and horns do not a lawnmower make.

“Dinosaurs were not the only animals that grew very large. The fossils show there once were giant kangaroos, giant deer, giant birds, giant dragonflies, giant bears and bison. There were even giant beavers (eight feet long)! Even many plants grew much larger in ancient times. All animals, including the first dinosaurs, were created to benefit mankind in one way or another.

Anthropocentrism run riot.

God’s exact purpose for the various dinosaurs is still a mystery.

But not so mysterious that the author happens to know that they 'were created to benefit mankind in one way or another'.

Perhaps the larger dinosaurs kept certain types of lush plant life under control and cleared paths through the forest. Using their long necks, some dinosaurs could have eaten foliage at the tops of tall trees. In a thick forest, this would let light come down to the ground so smaller plants would have a chance to grow.â€

So what animals carry out these tasks now? Why does the author imagine that a carnivore's teeth in some way represent the ideal equipment for cropping foliage?

The second way we know man and dinosaurs coexisted in a peaceful environment is because in the beginning Dinosaurs Weren’t All Big.

This doesn't even begin to make sense. How does not being big equate with peaceful co-existence?

Another misconception about dinosaurs is not only that they were mean ferocious meat-eaters chasing everything around, but they every single one of them was massively giant just waiting to squish you on the ground.

Does the author imagine that this a 'misconception' held by palaeontologists as well, or just film makers?

The facts are: “Of course, some dinosaurs were very large, weighing in at an estimated 80 tons and standing 40 feet high! But the average size of a dinosaur, however, was probably about that of a small horse or even a sheep. In fact, some were as small as chickens, and others were even smaller. The Saltopus was really tiny – no bigger than a housecat.

And what reasoned conclusion follows from this unreferenced assertion? That 'smallness' means that these animals must have co-existed with humanity? What logic underpins this conclusion? I see none.

Most of the dinosaurs killed by the Flood were less than fifteen inches long, not including their tails, which made them more than twice as long. In museums, most people never see the small dinosaurs because the jumbo-sized ones are so much more impressive.â€

The author seems to be assuming that dinosaurs were killed in the biblical flood. He has not established this and is simply offering an assumed conclusion.

The third way we know man and dinosaurs coexisted in a peaceful environment is because in the beginning Dinosaurs Weren’t the Rulers. Speaking of not being a threat issue, the Bible also says that when it came to the animals, which included dinosaurs, the man is the one who had dominion over them, not the other way around.
Genesis 1:26 “Then God said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.â€
As one man points out:
“All of the animals were friendly and under man’s control. None of the animals ate meat or killed. God provided the plants and seeds with all the vitamins people and animals needed. There was no sin, no death or evil or disease. In the original Creation dinosaurs were certainly not vicious or troublesome. When God finished making the animals He said they were all “very good.†Originally, dinosaurs must have been harmless – designed to delight man and benefit the world, just like all the other animals.†Hmmm. Just like all the other animals, huh? Gee, I wonder if Adam and Even had some for pets? It certainly makes you wonder just what kind of reptiles James was talking about when he mentioned various animals that man had tamed.

James 3:7 “All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man.â€

I am afraid this does not amount to meaningful evidence. The author simply subsumes any and every living creature that might ever have existed into the grand assumption that they are referenced by noting that the word 'all' is used in some cases when animals are mentioned. Give me a break.

The fourth way we know man and dinosaurs coexisted in a peaceful environment is because in the beginning Dinosaurs Weren’t Brainy. You see, the facts are, many of the dinosaurs may have come with big giant bodies, but many of them didn’t come with big giant brains. And thus, they wouldn’t have been the sharpest knife in the drawer, let alone much of a quick thinker that man had to be overly concerned about, as this article shares:
“Most dinosaurs had small brains in comparison to the size of their bodies. The 29-foot long Stegosaurus had a brain the size of a walnut. Even the great Apatosaurus’s brain was not much larger than a kitten’s. If a huge Brachiosaurus could be shrunk to the size of a human, its brain would be 10,000 times smaller than Man’s. This does not necessarily mean these animals were stupid as animals go, but they were surely no match for Man’s brain.â€

I see, so now 'small brain' means that an animal can peacefully co-exist with humans. This argument gets more desperate by the paragraph.

How many of you have ever been scared that one day a cow is going to chase you down and eat you? Yeah, the thought just doesn’t ever enter your mind, does it? Well gee, guess what? It probably did run through Adam and Eve’s minds either when they really did one day coexist with dinosaurs.

Plenty of people are killed by cattle:

...about 20 people a year are killed by cows in the United States. In some cases, the cows actually attack humans—ramming them, knocking them down, goring them, trampling them and kicking them in the head—resulting in fatal injuries to the head and chest.

Source: Dangerous Cows - NYTimes.com

So I guess Adam and Eve should have been careful after all.

In conclusion:
“Before the Flood, there is no indication in the Bible that any of the animals ate meat or were violent and vicious. It is people that God says were so terrible and violent. By the time of the Flood, most animals must still have been able to live on plant foods alone. Every basic kind of land animal and bird in the world was on the Ark. They ate only plants during the voyage.
For God told Noah to load the ship with every kind of food the animals would need (Genesis 6:21). These foods must have been the same things God assigned to the animals in the beginning – “every green plant.â€

Read more:
SermonAudio.com - 2 - A Fearful Creation - Did Man Coexist With Dinosaurs? Billy Crone

I think Billy Crone needs do do a bit more research.

 

[lordkalvan]

Fact: There are about 10000 professional scientists in the US who are Christian and Creation Scientists. There is a big move in Science towards intelligent design.

Source? How many of these 'professional scientists' work in the biological sciences and palaeontology, the latter being particularly relevant to the discussion at hand?

I recommend these PDF resources about dinosaurs to you:
SermonAudio.com - Sermons on dinosaur

Here is a sample:

GOD CREATED ANIMALS THAT FILLED THE EARTH
Dinos that range in size from the size of a chicken to 160,000 pound, 80 ton Brachiosaurus, are in 5 groups:
HORNED Triceratops and Stegosaurus
DUCKBILLED Anatosaurus 18 feet high with 2,000 teeth!
MEATEATERS Tyrannosaurus Rex 20 feet high and 50 feet long.
SMALL Strut hiomimus [ostrich mimic] ate eggs small reptiles.
BIG PLANT EATERS Diplodocus [double beamed] 100 feet long; Brontosaurus Apatosaurus 80 feet long, 40 tons; Brachiosaurus [biggest] 50 feet high, 80 feet long, 80 tons, nostrils atop dome of head!

So how does this list provide evidence for the statement that preceded it?

THE GREAT DINOSAUR MYSTERY
Evolution has a problem called The Great Dinosaur Mystery. Where did the great dinosaurs come from;
How did they grow so big; and, if it is "survival of the fittest", why did these powerful creatures become extinct?

I am afraid this is neither a 'mystery' for evolution, nor is it a 'problem'. Why do you imagine that any organisms become extinct?

A creationist would answer, "no problem". God created the giant reptiles and may have referred to one or two of them which existed in Job's day (see Job 40:15 - 41:34). Reptiles do not have a built-in growth inhibiting factor like other animals and man. The dinosaurs would have continued growing as long as they lived. The older they got, the bigger they grew.

Ummm, but you've just presented a previous argument in which the smallness of most dinosaurs was offered as an argument supporting their 'peaceful co-existence' with humanity. So which is it? Were all those tiny dinosaurs killed in the biblical flood all babies?

Reptiles function best, as cold-blooded animals, in warm temperature climates. God created large reptiles which kept growing in an efficient high pressure atmosphere with plenty of warmth and unlimited supplies of lush vegetation to eat and nothing to eat them. The Bible says, "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is fife, I have given every green herb for meat..... (Genesis 1:30)
A creationist might say that a stable body temperature in a giant cold-blooded reptile is consistent with the creationist view that the earth's temperature was uniformly warm in the tropical pre-Flood heaven and earth system number one. Creationists would expect to find "...remarkable consistency of the oxygen isotopes in the dinosaur's bones...... Apparently these evolutionistic researchers would rather pretend that cold-blooded reptiles were actually warmblooded than to consider the pre-Flood pole-to-pole greenhouse wann condition of earth (6,000 years ago, not 70 million years ago) as presented by the creationist model.

Eh, no. palaeontologists would argue that dinosaurs are warm-blooded because the evidence supports that conclusion.

The giant flying reptiles such as the pterosaurs (pterodactyls and pteranodons) would be unable to fly in our present atmosphere. They needed a heavier atmosphere to get enough air to lift them with their 40 to 50-foot wingspans. Heaven and earth system #1 would have provided the heavier atmospheric pressure necessary for the flight of these huge creatures. Evolutionists say we don't know how these giant reptiles could have flown in our atmosphere.

Source? Are you referring to Professor Sato's work?

To a creationist, this is not a problem. Heaven and earth system #I, before the water canopy came down at the flood of Noah's day, would have provided the air density needed for these huge creatures to fly. In order to protect their jobs the evolutionists dare not even suggest the global flood of Noah's day as part of the solution to their problems, and yet the Flood supplies the explanation for what we "see".

And your evidence for this air density is what, exactly? How would human beings have coped with this increased air density? Why would 'evolutionists' want to suggest as a 'solution' for a non-existent 'problem' a global flood in the recent past for which no evidence exists at all?

We even read in our older history books about ancient cultures which taught a global flood.

Which 'older history books' are these, then, and which 'ancient cultures' are they referring to.

Gigantism was common in the heavy pre-flood atmosphere. Fossil dragonflies with a 32-inch wingspan have been discovered and would be a frightful bug to hit your windshield! The homless rhinoceros grew to about "...seventeen feet high and nearly 30 feet long!"

More assumed conclusions. Where is the evidence that there was a flood for an atmosphere to be 'pre' to?

Dinosaurs lived alongside people as Job testifies as well as “caveman” drawings.

Eh, no.

And God created them all!

Which does not mean that they lived at the same time as each other. You need something more than idiosyncratically self-serving interpretations of cave art and vague biblical references to support this idea.

 

[lordkalvan]

No, dino made the boat trip, but could not compete in the new envirement and died off like many extinct animals today do. in fact many of the fossils are found near the collisium in rome and believed to have been killed off for public sport in the arena.

Huh? Many of what fossils? Fossilization is a process that is usually understood to take longer than less than 2000 years.

 

[freeway]

I have not been in the science form or for that part much of any forums lately. I have stopped in once in awhile to check thing over.. So to get my feet wet again. I don't have a problem with the Dino's only being around a few thousand years, "young earther" and for that part being on Noah's boat. They could have died off or been killed off rather suddenly.. Take the California 10 ft grizzlies, within a short 100 yrs they where killed off.. Dino's and man living together, no problem.. Man has a tendency to kill off things they are afraid of..