How Do We Know The Bible Is Inspired ?

[Theofilus]

Why are thre seven colors?
Because God said so in the Bible thats why !

Can you show me a verse where He says that?

A rainbow spans a continuous spectrum of colours; the distinct bands are an artifact of human colour vision. The most commonly cited and remembered sequence, in English, is Newton's sevenfold red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet (popularly memorized by mnemonics like Roy G. Biv).

(snip)

Sir Isaac Newton established his colors from the rainbow given by God. You invent some color list
and say it does not fit.
Why would you make up your own list?

Why do you use the one Isaac Newton made up? Besides, I didn't make mine up. Those are the primary colors. Look it up on wikipedia if you don't believe me.

Elvispelvis wrote:Why are there seven notes in music ?
theofilus Said

That's a human invention and has nothing to do with the inspiration of the Bible.

Craig said ;

I dont think you are a musician , at least your education is lacking in music.

I thought everyone understands where DO RA ME FA SO LA TE the scale of music comes from.

Apparently you don't. It doesn't come from the Bible. Sound can have any frequency. We have given names to some of them. Sound that has a frequency of 440 Hz is called A. A# is about 493.88 Hz. On a piano or other musical instrument there is no other sound between those two, but in nature sound can have any arbitrary frequency, for example 453 Hz or 488.73 Hz. Niether of those has a name. The names of the notes and which ones are named is a purely human invention. Oh.. btw, I play both the guitar and the tenor and soprano recorder.

So let me try to explain nature to you my friend.

If you're going to teach others, do some basic research first so that you know a little bit about what you're talking about. Take this for example...

Acoustic scale
In music , the acoustic scale is a seven note scale which, starting on C, contains the notes: C, D, E, F sharp, G, A and B flat.

The notes do, re, me, fa, so, la te are not the acoustic scale, but the major scale. The C major scale starts with C and is comprised of the "white notes" on the piano - C, D, E, F, G, A, B. It has no sharps or flats. These are the seven notes you refered to before. If you're goint to use accidental notes (sharps) then you have C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B. That's 12 notes, not 7.

You asked in the title of this thread how we can know that the Bible is inspired. Unless you can provide scriptures that state that there are supposed to be 7 and only 7 notes, colors or what have you, then these things don't have anything to do with the inspiration of the Bible. It is clear from this discussion that finding the number 7 all over the place isn't going to convince anyone (except maybe you). Finding numbers isn't very hard. Let me show you an example.

The Hitchhiker's Guied to the Galaxy is a secular book. The "number of man" is 6, so let's see how many times we can find the number 6 just in the title of that book

6 words (6x1)
30 letters (6x5)
12 vowels (6x2)
18 consonants (6x3)
Out of 16 letters in all, 10 occur only once, which means that the number of repeated letters is 6 (6x1)
One word is repeated. The two occurances have a total of 6 letters (6x1)
there are 24 letters in the non-repeated words (6x4)
The total number of ASCII characters (including spaces and the apostrophe) is 36 (6x6)
The last word has 6 letters (6x1)


The chances of these 9 things happening purely by accident is 1:6^9 or 1:10,077,696. And that's just the title. The author has obviously put a code in his book to show beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is truely a work of man.

Now, can we just drop this whole numbers game and look at something real? There is plenty of other evedence that indicats that the Bible is more than just a book.

 

[Pard]

I don't get it. You are trying to prove the Bible is inspired because it has some magic number formula that makes sense?

Here is a far simpler way to prove that the Bible is God's wonderful Word, inspired in the heart of man!

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" -2 Timothy 3:16

 

[Oats]

Why are there seven days in a week ?

This is totally irrelevent to the question you asked. The fact that the Bible says there are 7 days and that there are today 7 days in a week doesn't prove that the Bible is inspired, only that we have the same number of days in our week as they did in theirs.

Why does the moon go around the Earth divided by seven ?

Check your math. The moon takes about 29.53 days to orbit the earth.

Why are there seven notes in music ?

That's a human invention and has nothing to do with the inspiration of the Bible.

Why are there only seven colors?

There are different sets of "primary colors", depending on what you're doing. On the monitor you're now looking at, the primary colors are red, green and blue, the colors red, yellow and blue are often used in art and when mixing paint, and the colors your printer most likely uses are cyan, magenta, yellow and black. Put them all together and you get:

1. Magenta[/*:m:18gomm2v]
2. Red[/*:m:18gomm2v]
3. Yellow[/*:m:18gomm2v]
4. Green [/*:m:18gomm2v]
5. Cyan[/*:m:18gomm2v]
6. Blue[/*:m:18gomm2v]
7. Black[/*:m:18gomm2v]

Looks like a total of 7 colors, doesn't it. Well, it's not. Magenta, yellow and cyan are what are called "subractive primaries". If you put red, green and blue light together, you get white. If you take the blue away from white, you're left with yellow, if you take the green away, you're left with magenta and if you take the red away, you have cyan. So, while they may be used in printing or art, magenta, cyan and yellow are not true primary colors in nature. Besides that, black is not a color at all, but rather the lack of color. There are, therefore only 3 true primary colors - red, green and blue. Even if you count the others, it still doesn't have anything to do with the inspiration of the Bible.[/quote]


Any color argument is faulty because it depends on which spectrum
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[Pard]

Aren't primary colors red, blue, and yellow? I thought they were, since they are the only three colors that cannot be made by any other colors (without subtracting) and with them (plus white and black for shades) you can make any other color... That's what my art teacher told me. But was sniffing a lot of paints me thinks.

 

[Oats]

Aren't primary colors red, blue, and yellow? I thought they were, since they are the only three colors that cannot be made by any other colors (without subtracting) and with them (plus white and black for shades) you can make any other color... That's what my art teacher told me. But was sniffing a lot of paints me thinks.

I'm in the same boat with you :help

 

[Theofilus]

Aren't primary colors red, blue, and yellow? I thought they were, since they are the only three colors that cannot be made by any other colors (without subtracting) and with them (plus white and black for shades) you can make any other color... That's what my art teacher told me. But was sniffing a lot of paints me thinks.

Yellow can be made by combining other colors. Are you ready to be confused? Then read on.

As this picture shows, red and green make yellow, red and blue make magenta and green and blue make cyan. But if getting yellow from red and green doesn't seem odd enough...

Yellow and cyan make green, yellow and magenta make red and cyan and magenta make blue. Now add the one you are familiar with.

Although it's labeled "violet" in this picture, the "official" name for red and blue combined in equal parts is "magenta" as mentioned earlier. Here we see that red and yellow make orange and yellow and blue make green. Confused yet?


Do you want to be really confused?





Are you sure you're ready for this?






Really? Ok... here goes.



White is actually green and red and blue mixed together are invisible.

A quick look at any halfway decent paint program will show you that white light is made of red, green and blue. Red and green make yellow, and when you add blue to it it makes green. Mixing red, green and blue in equal parts will therefore give you green. And now for the ten thousand dollar question....

What happened to the red and blue?

 

[Elvispelvis]

Here we are told that the word is purified seven times.

Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

King David prayed seven times a day ;
Psa 119:164 Seven times a day do I praise thee because of thy righteous judgment .

To gain wisdom you must understand seven pillars
: Pro 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

The number seven is in man
:Pro 26:25 When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for [there are] seven abominations in his heart.

Seven years was the number of service for a slave
: Jer 34:14 At the end of seven years let ye go every man his brother an Hebrew, which hath been sold unto thee; and when he hath served thee six years, thou shalt let him go free from thee: but your fathers hearkened not unto me, neither inclined their ear.

This explains itself;
Eze 45:23 And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily [for] a sin offering.

Zec 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all [of] gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which [are] upon the top thereof:

Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

The old testament said we have seven spirits in us so does the new testament.

LOOK AT ALL THESE COINCIDENCES FOR SEVEN.

Mat 15:34 And Jesus saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven, and a few little fishes.
Mat 15:36 And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, Mat 15:37 And they did all eat, and were filled: and Mat 16:10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlestick

Why Did God use seven in all these cases?

Sin cerley Craig

 

[logical bob]

These aren't coincidences. In Hebrew the word for 7 has a similar root to the word for completeness or fullness, so for the biblical authors it represented completeness. Hence creation took 7 days.

In your examples, somthing purified 7 times is completely pure, someone possessed by 7 spirits is completely possessed, to praise God 7 times a day is to praise him fully, to have 7 abominations in your heart is to be completely abominable To forgive someone 7 times is to forgive them without limit etc etc.

In a similar way, 40 represents a very large number or a long time. Hence it rained on Noah for 40 days, the Israelites were in the wilderness for 40 years and Jesus was tempted for 40 days.

What you've got there is some examples of Hebrew poetic language (or, in the NT, from a culture with a Hebrew backround).

 

[mondar]

I guess I am going to express an opinion here. In my opinion, I feel some concern about the issue of defending the innerrancy, infallibility, or inspiration of the scripture by number codes. IMO it detracts from the purpose and the reason the scriptures were written. Scripture was given so that the "man of God" (2 Tim 3:17) might have all he needs for doctrine and ministry. I think this assumes that we read what the writers of the scripture said on the lines of the page and not between the lines (so to speak). Even if it were true if there were a mathematical code in the bible, what would that really do for my understanding of who God is, and what he has done? As has been pointed out, there are number codes in all sorts of literature. This does not seem to be proof of the fingerplay of the divine.

For me, if I were to answer the question of "how we know the bible is inspired," I would go to one of several things. First, the scriptures produce the only consistent world view. I am not a philosopher, but it seems to be the only view that works. Second, when the scriptures prophecy the return of Israel to the land, I stand shocked that in 1948, after nearly 2 millennium, the did exactly that. Even if Israel is driven into the sea, why do the Jewish people remain a distinct people.

I am aware of the large amount of prophetic material. I am aware of the many controversies that surround different readings and understandings of that prophetic material. But Israel is still there. As long as Israel stands, I cannot deny the God of Abraham, and it testifies to the authority of the scripture.

Deut 30:3 that then Jehovah thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the peoples, whither Jehovah thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine outcasts be in the uttermost parts of heaven, from thence will Jehovah thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 and Jehovah thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Jeremiah 31:36 If these ordinances depart from before me, saith Jehovah, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith Jehovah: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith Jehovah.

Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.

I know this may not work for many. Many do not agree the scriptures teach any future for Israel. Many believe that Israel lost its future based upon their failures. Yet, as I read the texts, the success of Israel is based upon the work of God. In each of the passages quoted above, you will see a New Covenant Context. The heart is circumcised (Deut 30:6), the new heart replaces the heart of stone (Ezek 36:26), and of course the people of Israel and Judah will return to their land with a heart in which everyone will know him, from the greatest to the least.

This is not to deny the New Covenant application to the Church. I agree that we are under New Covenant promises. God can always do more then he promised, but never less.

Got to go, time is up.

 

[JamesG]

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Mondar

Many people find it necessary to bolster their belief in the inspiration of the Bible through such things as the numbers game.

It has always been interesting to me why so many Christians believe that the current State that calls itself Israel is to be equated with or is a continuation of the Israel of the Bible. If one reads the documents that began the current State of Israel, one can readily see that there is no comparison. And the Judaism practiced in the current State of Israel is not the religion of the Old Testament, even though they claim to follow the Old Testament. One must consider that if the New Covenant was intended to be for Israel, then it certainly isn’t for the Gentiles and the inspiration of the New Testament comes into question. And this is the thinking of contemporary Judaism. Yet Paul was clear that the New Covenant was for both Jew and Gentile together without any kind of separation between the two because the New Covenant is in Christ and not in a state. The contemporary religion of Judaism is based on the existence of a state. That is why the founding of the current State of Israel is so important to contemporary Judaism. Should it be so for the for the one who is in Christ as well? Paul is clear that the New Covenant involves the New Creation that is in Christ and has nothing to do with Israel as a state. The inspiration of the New Testament hinges on whether the New Covenant is a world covenant or a covenant with Israel alone. The correct understanding of the matter of the grafting of the Gentiles into the olive tree is important here. The key is “For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!†(Romans 11:32-33) The future of Israel as a state is over. It has been over since the first century. The future of the Israelites as a scattered people all over the world is contemporary and is in Christ; just as it is for the Gentiles. And so it has been for two thousand years.

You are in the same state as those who need the numbers game. You need the current State of Israel to bolster your belief in the inspiration of the Bible. Well, as they say, whatever floats your boat.

JamesG

 

[mondar]

It has always been interesting to me why so many Christians believe that the current State that calls itself Israel is to be equated with or is a continuation of the Israel of the Bible. If one reads the documents that began the current State of Israel, one can readily see that there is no comparison.

I would agree that the current state of Israel is secular, and does not need to be the final state that is the fulfillment of the OT land promises. On the other hand, this is not to say I would agree that there will not be some kind of Israel in which those promises will be filled, and they will return.

And the Judaism practiced in the current State of Israel is not the religion of the Old Testament, even though they claim to follow the Old Testament.

I am not sure what you are saying here? The current secular state of Israel claims to follow the religion of the OT?

One must consider that if the New Covenant was intended to be for Israel, then it certainly isn’t for the Gentiles and the inspiration of the New Testament comes into question.

I am not following your thinking here. Let me illustrate my question.....
----------->Just assume that God promised to give every Egyptian one million dollars at some undefined time in the future, but then he gave every Assyrian one million dollars at a certain date. How would that break his promise to the Egyptians? God can still give one million to every Egyptian at some undefined time in the future.

So then, God gave Gentiles in the Church the New Covenant, how does that negate the promises to Israel?

Let me yet rephrase it in another way.... If God promised to give grace to Israel, then he gives grace to many Gentiles, does that break his word go Israel, or does that mean God's grace merely superabounds beyond his promises?

It would seem to me that God can do more then he promised and include many non-Israelites in his promises to Israel, but he can never do less. If God does more, his grace merely superabounds, if he does less, he has broken his word.

And this is the thinking of contemporary Judaism. Yet Paul was clear that the New Covenant was for both Jew and Gentile together without any kind of separation between the two because the New Covenant is in Christ and not in a state.

I would agree that as God dispenses his grace without any separation between Jew and Gentile. If you wish, I can make a stronger statement concerning the unity I observe, I hope my agreement here will suffice.

The contemporary religion of Judaism is based on the existence of a state.

I have much to learn about contemporary Judiasm. I know there is "reformed Judiasm, conservative and orthodox varieties. I believe they are quite different. I am more familiar with the liberal reformed congregations (not to be confused with Christians who are reformed). I understood contemporary Israel to be a secular state. I am not sure why you bring this up and what it has to do with the conversation.

That is why the founding of the current State of Israel is so important to contemporary Judaism. Should it be so for the for the one who is in Christ as well? Paul is clear that the New Covenant involves the New Creation that is in Christ and has nothing to do with Israel as a state.

People under the New Covenant can be all races, nations, and tongues. Not a problem. Why does this mean that God cannot still fulfill his word to Judah and Israel and include some of them? And then bring them back to the land as he does this?

The inspiration of the New Testament hinges on whether the New Covenant is a world covenant or a covenant with Israel alone.

Some how I feel you are polarizing things and saying that it must be one or the other and that no other options are open. Is it your thinking that if Gentiles are under the New Covenant, then God cannot fulfill his word to Israel? How would you defend your statement from scripture? Where does the New Covenant exclude someone Israel, or anyone?

The correct understanding of the matter of the grafting of the Gentiles into the olive tree is important here. The key is “For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!†(Romans 11:32-33) The future of Israel as a state is over. It has been over since the first century. The future of the Israelites as a scattered people all over the world is contemporary and is in Christ; just as it is for the Gentiles. And so it has been for two thousand years.

James, you quote from Romans 11 that begins like this....
1 I say then, Did God cast off his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
If I take your reading of Romans 11, would Paul not go on to say the exact opposite of what he states in verse 1?

You are in the same state as those who need the numbers game. You need the current State of Israel to bolster your belief in the inspiration of the Bible. Well, as they say, whatever floats your boat.

This sounds kind of flippant toward me. Does this mean if I am in more of a middle ground between dispensationalism on the one hand, and covenant theology on the other, that I am an unregenerate apostate? I hope you will go easy there tiger. There is some truth in what you say, but there is some misrepresentation also. I would say that I believe that there will be a future regeneration of the Jewish people and a return back to their land. As for this being the current state of Israel, they are obviously unregenerate and this is not the completion or fulfillment of a prophecy. My point was that there are a people who can still be the completion of that prophecy.

Somehow, I get the feeling you see only two choices. If I do not agree with your view of the covenants, then I must be a dispensationalist (whatever that is anymore). I am not sure I can honestly fly the dispensational flag. That is a problem, because in academia, dispenstaionalism has splintered into 1k different eschatologies that compete with each other and yet they all call themselves dispensationalist. Your arguments seem to fit more against the standard historic dispensationalists who think that the New Covenant is for only Jews. They base such thinking on a more clear distinction between the Church and Israel then what I have.

If I had to guess at the differences between you and me, you deny the possibility of a future regenerate Jewish return to the land based upon the current application of the New Covenant to Gentiles. I do not. I think Gods grace is not limited by his promises of Grace, God's grace can superabound and go beyond his promises, but they can never fall short.

By the way, we should be doing this in the 1 on 1 area and not take space in this numerology/inspiration thread. Of if you wish to pick a different thread, we can go there. I will send you a PM.

 

[JamesG]

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Mondar

Sorry, I’m already involved with a one on one. That is sufficient for me at the moment. And since you didn’t understand much of what I said, I see no reason to say much more that you won’t be able to understand any better. You even thought that my last statement was mere flippancy and calling you an unregenerate apostate. I was merely conveying that you should continue believing as you do. I would rather you believe as you do than become an Atheist because you have lost your reason to believe in the inspiration of the Bible. Nevertheless, I will keep in mind that the phrase that I used can be construed as flippancy.

By the way, I am not a Protestant, so don’t confuse me with any Protestant theologies such as Dispensationalism and Covent Theology. I am not offended. Just keep that in mind in case I decide to post something else in the future in response to something that you say.

Discussion is for the purpose of compromise. Are you ready to compromise? Neither am I. Debate is for the purpose of presenting two points of view to others. That has already been done. Argumentation is merely argumentation, and people who argue, argue simply to argue. I don’t want to go there.

You’re right that this matter does not belong on this thread. Of course, neither does all that stuff about light belong on this thread, nor the presentation of different ways of looking at numbers. I probably shouldn’t have said anything at all. But you are as guilty as I am for bringing Israel up as an alternate reason to believe in the inspiration of God in the first place. The primary purpose of this thread concerns the numbers game of Panin brought up in the first post. But we both have an excuse in that most threads don’t stay on track for very long anyway. Nevertheless, you are right. Let it end here. I said what I wanted to say. There are other threads about Israel. And other posters who are more in tune with your thinking that perhaps you can understand better than I.

JamesG

 

[Elvispelvis]

Why are there seven days in a week ?


The very first use of "sevens" to denote time is found in Genesis chapters one and two. That very first group of sevens has delineated the days of the week since the beginning of human history. Man certainly has messed with the years and the calendars (so no man today can know EXACTLY what year it really is), but that seven-day week system has survived from Adam until today. No wonder - it was ordained by God from the beginning of this creation. The 7th Day was proclaimed as something VERY special from the very first two chapters of the Biblical account. Let us look closer at the importance of the Seventh Day in relation to time:

"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
(Genesis 2:2-3 KJV)

"For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
(Exodus 20:11 KJV)

"It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."
(Exodus 31:17 KJV)

You asked me where does it say there are to be seven days in a week in the Bible hope this helps.

Sin cerley Craig

 

[Theofilus]

You asked me where does it say there are to be seven days in a week in the Bible hope this helps.

Actually, it doesn't help, mainly because I didn't ask where the seve day week comes from. I asked where it says in the Bible that there are seven colors and seven notes.

 

[jasoncran]

the bible says nothing about the colors of the rainbow (roygbiv) and the musical notes.

 

[Theofilus]

the bible says nothing about the colors of the rainbow (roygbiv) and the musical notes.

I know. But elvispelvis said it does, and I'd like to see him support that claim.

 

[Elvispelvis]

Sevens in the Bible
Seven days of creation
Genesis 1
Seven days for Noah to fill the Ark
Genesis 7:4-10
Seven years Jacob serves for each wife
Genesis 28:18-20; 29:27-30
Seven good and seven famine years in Egypt
Genesis 41
Seven days the waters turn to blood

Exodus 7:25
Seven lamps of the Menorah

Exodus 25:37
Seven feasts of Israel
Leviticus 23
Seven years of the sabbatical year
Leviticus 25:4
Seven times seven to the jubilee year
Leviticus 25:8

Seven priests with seven trumpets circle Jericho seven times

Joshua 6
Solomon spent seven years building the temple

1 Kings 6:38
Daniel’s seventy sevens prophecy

Daniel 9:24-27
Seventy years in Babylonian exile


Jeremiah 25:11-12
Seven loaves fed the 4,000, seven baskets are leftover

Matthew 15:32-39
Seven deacons in the early church


Acts 6:5
Seven miracles in the gospel of John


John
Seven discourses in the gospel of John


John
Seven “I am†statements in the gospel of John


John
Paul sent letters to seven different churches


Paul’s epistles

Seven churches in Revelation


Revelation 2,3
Seven promises, seals, trumpets, angels, plagues, bowls etc


Revelation
Seven promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Genesis
Seven miracles on the Sabbath
Gospels
Seven sayings of Jesus from the cross

Gospels
Seven appearances of angels

Gospels and Acts

Seven elements of the armor of God
These of course are all just coincidences that they use the number seven?

Sin cerley Craig

 

[Oats]

Seven is truly an important number I will admit that.
I will also admit that it may have miraculous occurrence in the lettering.
I understand what Elvis is say, because the experiment was done in Hebrew.

But what I don't agree with is These occurrences prove the Bibles validity. The life and death of Yahushua is proof enough

 

[Pard]

But what I don't agree with is These occurrences prove the Bibles validity. The life and death of Yahushua is proof enough

No to mention the countless prophesies that have come to be true.

Someone told me that in any given book you can find that it contradicts itself at some point or another. This does not hold true for the Bible. The Bible is far longer than most books, also, and one would think that the chance for a contradiction would increase.

In a book written by SO many different hands, one would think there would be some contradiction, and yet instead we find a harmony.

 

[JamesG]

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Pard

""In a book written by SO many different hands, one would think there would be some contradiction, and yet instead we find a harmony.""

That statement is predicated on what is accepted as harmony and what is accepted as contradiction. And not all discrepancies in the Bible are a matter of direct contradiction.

JamesG