How do you observe YOUR day of worship?

[Eccl12and13]

So do You Observe God’s Sabbath or Your Own day of worship?

Let’s just say the Sabbath was changed from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week. My question to the forum is this, were ALL of the rules that govern the Sabbath day changed also? And if they were, where in the bible can these changes be found? These questions are for those that believe the Sabbath was either changed or believe they can serve God on any day they choose instead of the day He called Holy. For those that seek the truth I offer the following:

There are activities God says should be avoided on His Sabbath Day. And to find them we will go the the same place we are to receive ALL of our religious doctrine….the Holy scriptures. Just as God did not leave it up to man to determine what sin is, He would not give us a commandment to keep the 7th day Holy and then leave it up to US to determine how it should observed. To find all of how God wants us to observe His Sabbath we must do as the scripture instructs, “ For precept must be upon precept…line upon line; here a little, and there a little.â€Â, Isaiah 28: 10. Below are scriptures telling us exactly what God does and does not want us to do on His Holy Day; His Sabbath.

Exod 16;

[23] And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
[26] Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

So above we can determine (3) things; first: the Sabbath is a day for rest., second; the Sabbath is the 7th day and third: we are not to bake or boil (seethe) foods on the Sabbath. No cooking or heating foods on the Sabbath Day!

Neh 13;
[15] In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.
[16] There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.
[17] Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?
[18] Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.
[19] And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day.
[21] Then I testified against them, and said unto them, Why lodge ye about the wall? if ye do so again, I will lay hands on you. From that time forth came they no more on the sabbath.
[22]And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and that they
should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O
my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.

Here we see the prophet Nehemiah contending with the people of Jerusalem about buying and selling on the Sabbath day. So much so that in verse (21) he tells them if they continue he will lay hands on them. No buying, selling or conducting business on the Sabbath Day! That is of course if it can be avoided. Jesus gave us an example that some things are ok to do on His Sabbath.

Matt 12;
[11] And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

So as we can see, some things are permitted, but are we to do whatever we like of the day God set aside as Holy? Let’s read:

Isa 58;
[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Finally we see that we are not to do our own pleasure on Gods’ Holy day. We are to honor him, “not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:†No engaging in our own pleasures on the Sabbath Day! Let’s review:

The Sabbath is for rest
We are to come together to worship the Lord
We are not to cook on Gods Sabbath
We are not to buy or sell on Gods Sabbath
We are not to do our own will or pleasures


Like I said earlier, above is for those that seek the about the Sabbath.

For those that believe the Sabbath has changed I must ask the following:

How do you observe your day of worship? Is it observed on the 7th day of the week as it was done throughout the entire bible? Do you spend it going out for dinner with family and friends after a good worship service? Or do you cook that great after service dinner at home? Do you go shopping or maybe to the movies? Or do you spend the afternoon working around the house before watching The Big Game? Either way, does the observance of your day of worship mirror that of the examples given to us in the bible? Does your day of worship mirror Gods’ Sabbath?


Now here is something for you to think about while you are trying to find out how God says you should govern yourself on whatever day You decide to worship Him on.

Here is a passage from the book of Isaiah. And as you read you will find this passage is speaking about the 2nd coming of our Lord.


ISAIAH 66:

[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
[18] For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


As you can see from reading above this is the time when God will return with vengeance upon the earth. It is a time of "Jacobs trouble" as the scriptures call it. But the next verse is what I want the readers to focus on:


[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.



My question is about the sabbath spoken of that "ALL FLESH" will come to worship before the Lord on.

Do you think THAT SABBATH will be the same SABBATH that God said will be an everlasting covenant?
Do you think He will say, “Don’t worry about the day, just pick any one and serve and worship me.â€Â
Do you think when God said "ALL FLESH" He was only talking to Israel or did He really mean "ALL FLESH"?

After all, what is a perpetual covenant to God? Let’s read.


EXODUS 31:
[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Now I know some are saying that this is for the nation of Israel. Well is it really? Let's see what the scriptures have to say:

ISAIAH 56:
[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

So this covenant is not just for the nations of Israel; it is for "the son of man", "the sons of the stranger", "them that join themselves to the Lord", "his servants", that, "love the name of the Lord", and, "take hold of my covenant". Are you one of those just mentioned? Because if you are and you say you love the Lord then this applies to you:

1John.5
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

But for those that do not, this applies to you:

1John.2
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Now these are just additional questions, but remember, my main questions is still.....How do you observe YOUR day of worship?

 

[francisdesales]

So do You Observe God’s Sabbath or Your Own day of worship?

Let’s just say the Sabbath was changed from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week. My question to the forum is this, were ALL of the rules that govern the Sabbath day changed also? And if they were, where in the bible can these changes be found? These questions are for those that believe the Sabbath was either changed or believe they can serve God on any day they choose instead of the day He called Holy. For those that seek the truth I offer the following:

There are activities God says should be avoided on His Sabbath Day. And to find them we will go the the same place we are to receive ALL of our religious doctrine….the Holy scriptures. Just as God did not leave it up to man to determine what sin is, He would not give us a commandment to keep the 7th day Holy and then leave it up to US to determine how it should observed. To find all of how God wants us to observe His Sabbath we must do as the scripture instructs, “ For precept must be upon precept…line upon line; here a little, and there a little.â€Â, Isaiah 28: 10. Below are scriptures telling us exactly what God does and does not want us to do on His Holy Day; His Sabbath.

Exod 16;

[23] And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
[26] Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

So above we can determine (3) things; first: the Sabbath is a day for rest., second; the Sabbath is the 7th day and third: we are not to bake or boil (seethe) foods on the Sabbath. No cooking or heating foods on the Sabbath Day!

Neh 13;
[15] In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.
[16] There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.
[17] Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?
[18] Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.
[19] And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day.
[21] Then I testified against them, and said unto them, Why lodge ye about the wall? if ye do so again, I will lay hands on you. From that time forth came they no more on the sabbath.
[22]And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and that they
should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O
my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.

Here we see the prophet Nehemiah contending with the people of Jerusalem about buying and selling on the Sabbath day. So much so that in verse (21) he tells them if they continue he will lay hands on them. No buying, selling or conducting business on the Sabbath Day! That is of course if it can be avoided. Jesus gave us an example that some things are ok to do on His Sabbath.

Matt 12;
[11] And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

So as we can see, some things are permitted, but are we to do whatever we like of the day God set aside as Holy? Let’s read:

Isa 58;
[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Finally we see that we are not to do our own pleasure on Gods’ Holy day. We are to honor him, “not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:†No engaging in our own pleasures on the Sabbath Day! Let’s review:

The Sabbath is for rest
We are to come together to worship the Lord
We are not to cook on Gods Sabbath
We are not to buy or sell on Gods Sabbath
We are not to do our own will or pleasures


Like I said earlier, above is for those that seek the about the Sabbath.

For those that believe the Sabbath has changed I must ask the following:

How do you observe your day of worship? Is it observed on the 7th day of the week as it was done throughout the entire bible? Do you spend it going out for dinner with family and friends after a good worship service? Or do you cook that great after service dinner at home? Do you go shopping or maybe to the movies? Or do you spend the afternoon working around the house before watching The Big Game? Either way, does the observance of your day of worship mirror that of the examples given to us in the bible? Does your day of worship mirror Gods’ Sabbath?


Now here is something for you to think about while you are trying to find out how God says you should govern yourself on whatever day You decide to worship Him on.

Here is a passage from the book of Isaiah. And as you read you will find this passage is speaking about the 2nd coming of our Lord.


ISAIAH 66:

[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
[18] For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


As you can see from reading above this is the time when God will return with vengeance upon the earth. It is a time of "Jacobs trouble" as the scriptures call it. But the next verse is what I want the readers to focus on:


[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.



My question is about the sabbath spoken of that "ALL FLESH" will come to worship before the Lord on.

Do you think THAT SABBATH will be the same SABBATH that God said will be an everlasting covenant?
Do you think He will say, “Don’t worry about the day, just pick any one and serve and worship me.â€Â
Do you think when God said "ALL FLESH" He was only talking to Israel or did He really mean "ALL FLESH"?

After all, what is a perpetual covenant to God? Let’s read.


EXODUS 31:
[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Now I know some are saying that this is for the nation of Israel. Well is it really? Let's see what the scriptures have to say:

ISAIAH 56:
[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

So this covenant is not just for the nations of Israel; it is for "the son of man", "the sons of the stranger", "them that join themselves to the Lord", "his servants", that, "love the name of the Lord", and, "take hold of my covenant". Are you one of those just mentioned? Because if you are and you say you love the Lord then this applies to you:

1John.5
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

But for those that do not, this applies to you:

1John.2
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Now these are just additional questions, but remember, my main questions is still.....How do you observe YOUR day of worship?

Are you curious to know other's devotional practices and liturgical methods, or is this another "worship only on Saturday" post? This horse has been beaten to death last month...

Regards

 

[jtb]

Everyday is a day of rest for me. That's 100% observance and not the measly 14% you settle with.

j/k

I don't observe any one day as a day of worship. I just try to obey what Jesus said about the 10 commandments which was love God with all you got and treat others as you would be treated. Practice those two things and all other commandments will be fulfilled.

 

[Eccl12and13]

The question is not which day you observe, but whether or not the rules governing the Sabbath were changed.

As stated in the post, God gave us instructions as to how we should observe His Sabbath day. Jesus told us the following, "...That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." Luke 4:4, which at that time the ONLY word of God available was the OT. Paul tells Timothy, "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." 2 Tim.3:15. Again the only scriptures Timothy had were the OT. No place can you find that Jesus directed His followers they no longer had to observe Gods Sabbath guidelines.

Hence the reason for the question. Whether you worship on the 1st, 2nd or whatever day of the week, does it say anywhere in the bible that it is now OK to cook, buy and sell, do your own desires on your day of worship. The day of worship is not in question. What you DO on your day of worship....That is the question!

Please let your answers come from the Holy scriptures!

 

[mondar]

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord:
If you want to worship God with other believers on a Saturday, feel free.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord:
If you want to worship God with other believers on a Saturday, feel free.

If you are not reading the post you are missing the point!

The question is not which day you observe, but whether or not the rules governing the Sabbath were changed.

As stated in the post, God gave us instructions as to how we should observe His Sabbath day. Jesus told us the following, "...That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." Luke 4:4, which at that time the ONLY word of God available was the OT. Paul tells Timothy, "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." 2 Tim.3:15. Again the only scriptures Timothy had were the OT. No place can you find that Jesus directed His followers they no longer had to observe Gods Sabbath guidelines.

Hence the reason for the question. Whether you worship on the 1st, 2nd or whatever day of the week, does it say anywhere in the bible that it is now OK to cook, buy and sell, do your own desires on your day of worship. The DAY of worship is not in question. What you DO on your day of worship....That is the question!

Please let your answers come from the Holy scriptures!

 

[mondar]

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord:
If you want to worship God with other believers on a Saturday, feel free.

If you are not reading the post you are missing the point!

The question is not which day you observe, but whether or not the rules governing the Sabbath were changed.

So what day do you think they are referring to in Romans 14:6?

 

[Eccl12and13]

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord:
If you want to worship God with other believers on a Saturday, feel free.

If you are not reading the post you are missing the point!

The question is not which day you observe, but whether or not the rules governing the Sabbath were changed.

So what day do you think they are referring to in Romans 14:6?

Once again, the DAY is NOT the issue!! I am concerned with the RULES/GUIDELINES God gave us for His Sabbath day!

The scriptures tells us we are to keep the Sabbath holy, not to cook, not to buy or sell, not to engage in our own will but instead we are to worship God.

So AGAIN, the question to the forum IS NOT ABOUT THE DAY, but about the rules that govern whatever day it is you choose to worship God on.

Do your activities on the day you choose to worship the Lord on fall inline with the guidelines we were given in the scriptures to follow for the Sabbath?

And if they do not, were in the scriptures does it say we are free from having to follow them?

The scripture you quoted on Romans says that one may consider one day more so than another day, but it does not address the ACTIVITIES for the day!

 

[mondar]

2 One man hath faith to eat all things: but he that is weak eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth set at nought him that eateth not; and let not him that eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.
OK, so do these verses related to any forms of worship on whatever day you choose?

You dont think there is any relation between Romans 14 and the subject of this thread? If not, what do you think Romans 14 is about?

 

[Eccl12and13]

2 One man hath faith to eat all things: but he that is weak eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth set at nought him that eateth not; and let not him that eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.
OK, so do these verses related to any forms of worship on whatever day you choose?

You dont think there is any relation between Romans 14 and the subject of this thread? If not, what do you think Romans 14 is about?

NO!!! Romans 14 has NOTHING to do with this thread!! First of all, Paul is talking to those that are "weak in the faith", babes, those that need milk first and not meat. Many did not fully understand all that they were being taught or read. Just as all of us were at one time. The more we read and studied the more we BECAME fully persuaded in our own minds about those things.

Some thought one day was more important than others. Paul was telling those with more understanding not to put something in the way that would cause those 'weak in the faith' or babes, to fall and possibly turn away.

My question is not about which day is to be worshiped. God set forth rules and guidelines, activities that could and could not be done on His Sabbath.

All I am asking is whether those rules and guidelines, set forth by God, are observed on the day YOU CHOOSE to worship God.

I find no place in the OT were they were set aside, nor do I find it anywhere in the NT.

 

[mondar]

2 One man hath faith to eat all things: but he that is weak eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth set at nought him that eateth not; and let not him that eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.
OK, so do these verses related to any forms of worship on whatever day you choose?

You dont think there is any relation between Romans 14 and the subject of this thread? If not, what do you think Romans 14 is about?

NO!!! Romans 14 has NOTHING to do with this thread!! First of all, Paul is talking to those that are "weak in the faith", babes, those that need milk first and not meat. Many did not fully understand all that they were being taught or read. Just as all of us were at one time. The more we read and studied the more we BECAME fully persuaded in our own minds about those things.

Some thought one day was more important than others. Paul was telling those with more understanding not to put something in the way that would cause those 'weak in the faith' or babes, to fall and possibly turn away.

My question is not about which day is to be worshiped. God set forth rules and guidelines, activities that could and could not be done on His Sabbath.

All I am asking is whether those rules and guidelines, set forth by God, are observed on the day YOU CHOOSE to worship God.

I find no place in the OT were they were set aside, nor do I find it anywhere in the NT.

This will be my last post on this subject.

It seems to me that issues of choosing certain days of worship.... (feast days--sabboth days) and choosing certain dietary laws had to do with guidelines of worship set forth by God. In fact I think your denial that Romans 14 is related has more to do with your agenda then actually working on the passage. It looks to me that the Jews and Gentiles did not completely agree on rules and guidelines of worship. Paul's rule was one of tolerance. In the case of Romans 14, the Gentiles were to tolerate the weak Jews who demanded the OT forms of worship were not set aside.

On the other hand, if one sees the law as more then a mere means of worship, that is sinful. I can sit down with Messanic Jews and worship the way they do with them, but if they suggest that others are inferior Christians because they worship wrong, then it would be time to separate. By conscience, I feel that the law is never to be used as a means of sanctification. Legalism is forbidden by the scriptures.

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:6 But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Once the law is used for sanctification, it brings only spiritual death.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet:
Rom 7:8 but sin, finding occasion, wrought in me through the commandment all manner of coveting: for apart from the law sin is dead.

So then, I have no problems with people worshiping on Saturday, or keeping sabbath regulations. But I find that those same people have trouble keeping it in perspective and usually step over the line into legalism. Then they are in violation of scripture.

 

[Rick W]

If one proposes there is a right and wrong way to worship citing OT law then it follows one is compelled to worship on a day set forth by said law. The two are inseparable.
But why go back to OT law when Christ's resurrection meant "we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter"? For to do so denies Christ's work on the cross and the purpose of His resurrection.

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

[Eccl12and13]

If one proposes there is a right and wrong way to worship citing OT law then it follows one is compelled to worship on a day set forth by said law. The two are inseparable.
But why go back to OT law when Christ's resurrection meant "we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter"? For to do so denies Christ's work on the cross and the purpose of His resurrection.

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Whenever people see the word 'Law' in the bible most only see the totality of the 613 laws of the bible. They see the 'Law' as one set of laws, inseparable. Never do they think that there are parts of the 'Law'. They say you have to take ALL of the 'Law' or do away with ALL of the 'Law'. But how can that be?

Paul says he did not know what sin was until he knew the 'Law'. On the other hand he said the 'Law' was nailed to the cross. Jesus said if you will enter life, keep the commandments. Now which one is it? Do we keep the commandments or were they nailed to the cross? Come on people....use just a little of the common sense God gave us! Why would Paul tell us ALL of the 'Law' was nailed to the cross and Jesus tell us to keep them for LIFE? Does that make any sense at all?

Let's take the example Rick gave above:

Heb.7:[19] For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Now is the 'Law' spoken of here referring to the complete 613 laws? Let's let the scripture tell us. Let's read a little above verse 19 to know just what law is being spoken of. As you will read Paul is only talking about (1) part of many of the laws of God.

[11] If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[12] For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[13] For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[14] For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

So the part of the 'Law' Paul is talking about in these verses is the 'Law' of the priesthood. It was Gods 'Law' that the priest would ONLY come out of the tribe of Levi. That was the 'Law'! Not the WHOLE LAW, not ALL 613, just the Levitical priesthood 'Law'.

Verse 11 states is that if perfection could have been brought about with the Levitical priesthood, why would there have been a need for another priest to come forth after the order of Melchisedec?

Verse 12 states that since the priesthood was changed, in other words Jesus Christ taking the place of the Levitical priest, then there HAD to be a change in the 'Law'. Again, not a change in ALL 613 Laws, just the priesthood 'Law'.

Verse 13 states that this new priest was not from a tribe spoken of in the 'Law', for ONLY the tribe of Levi was to attend the altar. That was the 'LAW'!

Verse 14 clears that up by telling us that our Lord was from the tribe of Juda, and Moses spoke nothing of the tribe of Juda attending the altar.

So now when we get to verse 19, the one Rick provided, we can clearly see that the 'Law' spoken of is not ALL of the 613 'Laws'. Is is ONLY talking about the Levitical priesthood 'Law'. Let's read it again:

[19] For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Again, Paul is telling us just as he did above in verse 11, the 'Law' of the Levitical priesthood made nothing perfect, but what did was the coming of a better hope, which is why we draw close to God. Now let's read a few scriptures below verse 19:

[21] (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

And those priest were made so without an oath. They were made a priest because God's Law said that the priest would ONLY come out of the tribe of Levi.

And Paul clears this all up in verse 28:

[28] For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Now which 'Law' is it that maketh men high priest? Is it God's moral 'Laws'? Is it God's feast 'Laws'? Could it be God's dietary 'Laws'? Of course not! The ONLY 'Law" that makes men high priest is God's Levitical Priesthood 'Law'.

So Rick, trying to say that Heb. 7:19 has anything to do with Gods Sabbath is just not correct. As ALL that just read just learned, Heb.7:19 is ONLY dealing with the Levitical Priesthood 'Law' and nothing else.

Something else that should have been learned is that when Paul talks about the 'Law' is is not always the totality of the 613 'Laws'! How else can he say that the law is holy and just and good in one verse, then turn around and mean they were ALL nailed to the cross?

Think about it!!!!

 

[Rick W]

How does the law, or the parts you feel should be observed, fit into the plan of salvation?

Say I'm unsaved, knowing God not at all. How do I gain salvation when this body dies?

 

[dadof10]

Whenever people see the word 'Law' in the bible most only see the totality of the 613 laws of the bible. They see the 'Law' as one set of laws, inseparable. Never do they think that there are parts of the 'Law'. They say you have to take ALL of the 'Law' or do away with ALL of the 'Law'. But how can that be?

Paul says he did not know what sin was until he knew the 'Law'. On the other hand he said the 'Law' was nailed to the cross. Jesus said if you will enter life, keep the commandments. Now which one is it? Do we keep the commandments or were they nailed to the cross? Come on people....use just a little of the common sense God gave us! Why would Paul tell us ALL of the 'Law' was nailed to the cross and Jesus tell us to keep them for LIFE? Does that make any sense at all?

The entire subject boils down to obligation. We are no longer obliged to keep the "works of the Law", but we are obliged to keep the spirit of the Law, which has at it's heart the commandments, which come from love. It's like a parent saying to a child "you shall not run out into the freeway". It is commanded out of love for the child, not simply a "shall not".

The 613 laws are (mostly) specific tasks that needed to be completed. That Commandments are not.

The Jews believed that if they kept the letter of the Law then GOD WAS ACTUALLY OBLIGED to save them. They didn't have to love God or their neighbor, only perform tasks. If it was out of love of God, then all the better, but not required. This is what Paul's letters were railing against, this is the major point of most of his writings concerning works/faith.

Does this make any sense at all? :P

 

[dadof10]

Are you curious to know other's devotional practices and liturgical methods, or is this another "worship only on Saturday" post? This horse has been beaten to death last month...

Regards

Sheesh, ain't that the truth...

 

[Eccl12and13]

How does the law, or the parts you feel should be observed, fit into the plan of salvation?

Say I'm unsaved, knowing God not at all. How do I gain salvation when this body dies?

Jesus said to do it this way:

Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

He said it again this way:

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

So you tell me Rick, do you listen to the words of the one that will judge you, the ONLY ONE who can grant you eternal life, or do you listen to what you THINK Paul is saying in his letters. The one Peter warns us about. Let's read that warning Rick:

2 Peter 3
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Mind you, Peter and Paul spoke the same lauguage. If Peter thought Pauls writings were hard THEN, why do you think you can just come to an absolute understanding 2000 years later after many translations?

Peter tell us that in ALL of Pauls epistles there are things that are HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD. And those that are unlearned and unstable wrestle with them as they do with other scripture. And this could lead to their own DESTRUCTION!!!

Now what 'Destruction' do you think that is Rick.? Is it one you think you want to experience?

JESUS' WORDS = SIMPLE! IF YOU FOLLOW THEM ETERNAL LIFE GUARANTEED!!!
JESUS = THE ONLY ONE TO GIVE YOU ETERNAL LIFE!!!

PAULS WORDS = HARD! IF YOU GET IT WRONG IT MAY LEAD TO YOUR DESTRUCTION!!!
PAUL = CAN PUT YOU NOWHERE!!

You had better make sure you REALLY KNOW THAT PAUL WORDS MEANS what you think they do.

I'm going with the one that I KNOW IS NOT WRONG! If my God tells me to keep his commandmants, you can best believe I'm going to know which ones to keep and which ones were, 'nailed ti his cross'! This is not something you want to guess on.

Rick, the last thing I'm trying to do is change your mind. My job is to present the true word of God. Once you have read it, it's up to you do whatever you would like to do.

 

[Rick W]

Do I have to keep commandments to gain salvation?
Again, if I know not God what do I have to do to be saved?

 

[Eccl12and13]

Do I have to keep commandments to gain salvation?
Again, if I know not God what do I have to do to be saved?

Eccl.12
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Luke.4
[4] And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Luke.11
[28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Let me ask you this, What is the reward for those that do not obey God?

 

[Rick W]

I'm still trying to get you to tell me in your own words your idea of the plan for salvation. All I'm getting are the verses that appear to support something what looks like legalism.

If I don't worship as you think I should..
If I don't worship on the day you think I should...
if I don't abstain from the foods you think I should...
If I don't obey God in the things you think I should...
Then do I deserve salvation? If you claim "Well, that's a judgment call between you and God" then I see little reason to adhere to your belief system since i don't know if your plan is going to work. And if I must follow your plan then if i don't do these things then I probably won't be saved right?