-How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sabbath-

[Elijah674]

He does not leave out what He has given us who LOVE him to do!! Do we LOVE CHRIST accurately, nothing held back? This is the last question!

We can read Isa. 58...
[10] And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
[11] And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

[12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

And this will be our LOVING duties in our heavenly home. Still we will be doing the work of building our country home. (read Isa. 65:18-26) And on His 7th Day Sabbath we will travel to Jerusalem to Worship our Lord! (IN NEW Jerusalem. Isa. 66:22-23! ...and there is the sunset to MARK our Days!)
OK: Back to Isa. 58 with INSTRUCTIONS!

[12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

We see in Daniel 7:25 why this is so. Dan. says...
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

So we see what the Lord requires. The Remnant to do this duty from an honest heart filled with love! And this is the work that is to be seen...
[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Christ was was said to be a breaker of His Eternal law when He and His disciples went through a corn field and had gotten enough food for that 7th Sabbath Day. And Isa. 58? (Has Isaiah saying, that is ok! as a True Prophet of God.. 1 Cor. 14:32) See **Lev. 19:10 !

And next...
‘from doing thine own pleasure’. OK. Here we find all things that are not Godly things to do are to be [put] aside! Inclusive? ball games and the like, news papers reading. Anything that can be done on the other six days are to be put aside.
And the ox in the ditch? Surely is in need of help!
Along with the sick & afflicted.

And surely all who love the Master will be known then!

--Elijah

 

[smaller]

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Should most of that be happening every day???

Anyone can 'put on a show' for a day. Living faith is a perpetual matter, and vastly more engaging.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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Ceremonial law keeping is not the measure of love for God that counts. The measure of one's love for God is their love for others, not whether they are circumcised, or keep a Sabbath, or a Festival, etc.

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar." (1 John 4:20 NIV)

In fact, God doesn't even want the sacrifice of our service and worship if we don't first love others:

"23 “...if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift." (Matthew 5:24 NIV)


'Religious' duty will NEVER replace or make up for the disobedience of not treating other people with godly love. This is what the prophets condemned the Israelites about--outward law keeping, but inward wickedness.

If a person draws the surety of their salvation and God's pleasure in them from the keeping of the ceremonial requirements of the law they are terribly deceived. Salvation and love for God is measured by how it loves others, including--and maybe especially--it's enemies. Which is interesting because in the church it seems that we think we don't have to be nice to others in the church if they have what we perceive to be questionable doctrine, not knowing it's how we treat our 'enemies' that determines if we really know God or not.

"The only thing that counts is love expressing itself through love." (Galatians 5:6 NIV)

 

[JLB]

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Ceremonial law keeping is not the measure of love for God that counts. The measure of one's love for God is their love for others, not whether they are circumcised, or keep a Sabbath, or a Festival, etc.

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar." (1 John 4:20 NIV)

In fact, God doesn't even want the sacrifice of our service and worship if we don't first love others:

"23 “...if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift." (Matthew 5:24 NIV)


'Religious' duty will NEVER replace or make up for the disobedience of not treating other people with godly love. This is what the prophets condemned the Israelites about--outward law keeping, but inward wickedness.

If a person draws the surety of their salvation and God's pleasure in them from the keeping of the ceremonial requirements of the law they are terribly deceived. Salvation and love for God is measured by how it loves others, including--and maybe especially--it's enemies. Which is interesting because in the church it seems that we think we don't have to be nice to others in the church if they have what we perceive to be questionable doctrine, not knowing it's how we treat our 'enemies' that determines if we really know God or not.

"The only thing that counts is love expressing itself through love." (Galatians 5:6 NIV)

Thou shalt not show thy brother thine air hose, nor shall thou flip thy brother's quarter.

JLB

 

[Joe Domingo]

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Ceremonial law keeping is not the measure of love for God that counts. The
measure of one's love for God is their love for others, not whether they
are circumcised, or keep a Sabbath, or a Festival, etc.

Now this is rather interesting - please notice where I've placed emphasizes on in your statement by the letters in Bold.

Let's examine showing Love, and a certain example Jesus gave concerning the Commandments (not ceremonial).

Mathew 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[d] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[e] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.â€

There were some asking Jesus which was the Greatest Commandment?

And what did Jesus do with the question? Well, he played a trick on them ... how so?

Upon close examination we see that Jesus simply abbreviated or summarized the commandments into two parts. The first and great commandment is to love God. This incorporates no other gods, no idols, not using his name in vain and the Sabbath.

The second commandment is respect your parents, no murdering, no infidelity, no lying, no stealing and no lusting.

This is how you show Love.

If you don't see the clarity in this, it's because you don't want to. And that's ok with me, no offense taken since they are not MY commandments;)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Ceremonial law keeping is not the measure of love for God that counts. The
measure of one's love for God is their love for others, not whether they
are circumcised, or keep a Sabbath, or a Festival, etc.

Now this is rather interesting - please notice where I've placed emphasizes on in your statement by the letters in Bold.

Let's examine showing Love, and a certain example Jesus gave concerning the Commandments (not ceremonial).

Mathew 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[d] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[e] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

There were some asking Jesus which was the Greatest Commandment?

And what did Jesus do with the question? Well, he played a trick on them ... how so?

Upon close examination we see that Jesus simply abbreviated or summarized the commandments into two parts. The first and great commandment is to love God. This incorporates no other gods, no idols, not using his name in vain and the Sabbath.

The second commandment is respect your parents, no murdering, no infidelity, no lying, no stealing and no lusting.

This is how you show Love.

If you don't see the clarity in this, it's because you don't want to. And that's ok with me, no offense taken since they are not MY commandments;)

Your reasoning is in complete defiance of the scriptures.

To love God IS to love your neighbor as yourself. That's why the second is like the first.

You are not loving God if you are not loving others. To love others IS to love God. It's impossible to separate the two, but that is what your doctrine does. It elevates ceremonial worship over and above "love your neighbor as yourself".

Paul said, for example, that the person who is circumcised but who does not keep the requirements of the law ('love your neighbor as yourself' and all laws that are summarized in that command) will be condemned by the person who is not circumcised but who does keep the requirements of the law. So, you see, love for God in the keeping of circumcision, for example, is NOT a greater love for God than love for God expressed in 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

This is where the law keeping argument goes terribly wrong...perhaps to their own destruction if they effectively deceive themselves into thinking they can treat people badly, especially their doctrinal enemies, but still be approved as one who knows God because they keep the ceremonial law. It's a terrible, terrible deception.

By God's grace I was taught the truth about this many, many years ago. I was not a ceremonial law keeper, but I saw how we in the church have our own ceremonial, legalistic relationship with God that deceives us into thinking we are 'ok' with God while we treat each other badly, not knowing we are actually showing how much we do NOT know God and have his approval.

 

[Joe Domingo]

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Your reasoning is in complete defiance of the scriptures.

To love God
IS to love your neighbor as yourself. That's why the second is like the
first.

You must be delusional as I have said no such thing. Anyone reading this thread will clearly see that ...

Anyone reading my post will see that I am highlighting both Love for God and for Neighbor. Anybody can see by my use of scripture that I believe in both loving God and neighbor. And this is what Jesus taught - to love God and neighbor.

What are you reading? Certainly not my comments.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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Thou shalt not show thy brother thine air hose, nor shall thou flip thy brother's quarter.

JLB

Talk to the hand...I'm under grace, not the law, lol!

 

[Joe Domingo]

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Thou shalt not show thy brother thine air hose, nor shall thou flip thy brother's quarter.

JLB

Talk to the hand...I'm under grace, not the law, lol!

Yup you got it baby. No probs enjoy and have a blessed Saturday.

 

[JLB]

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You must be delusional

Thats not cool. Don't use phrases like that against another Brother or Sister.

Bless you, JLB

 

[JLB]

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So, you see, love for God in the keeping of circumcision, for example, is NOT a greater love for God than love for God expressed in 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

Nice! :amen

 

[reba]

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Snarks snarks and snarks .....It is a shame that grown men need a babysitter.... excuse me a moderator....

 

[Sinthesis]

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Mat 11:16 - But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,​

:distorted

 

[Elijah674]

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Ceremonial law keeping is not the measure of love for God that counts. The measure of one's love for God is their love for others, not whether they are circumcised, or keep a Sabbath, or a Festival, etc.

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar." (1 John 4:20 NIV)

In fact, God doesn't even want the sacrifice of our service and worship if we don't first love others:

"23 “...if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift." (Matthew 5:24 NIV)


'Religious' duty will NEVER replace or make up for the disobedience of not treating other people with godly love. This is what the prophets condemned the Israelites about--outward law keeping, but inward wickedness.

If a person draws the surety of their salvation and God's pleasure in them from the keeping of the ceremonial requirements of the law they are terribly deceived. Salvation and love for God is measured by how it loves others, including--and maybe especially--it's enemies. Which is interesting because in the church it seems that we think we don't have to be nice to others in the church if they have what we perceive to be questionable doctrine, not knowing it's how we treat our 'enemies' that determines if we really know God or not.

"The only thing that counts is love expressing itself through love." (Galatians 5:6 NIV)

The last message is for the World. And the simplicity of it is... 'If ye love me, keep my commandments'. Now I grant you second place on my agenda.

Matt. 22
[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

[38] This is the first and great commandment.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So friend, the [[only thing that I hate about you are your very false teachings]].
But I doubt that you can understand that?

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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Your reasoning is in complete defiance of the scriptures.

To love God
IS to love your neighbor as yourself. That's why the second is like the
first.

You must be delusional as I have said no such thing. Anyone reading this thread will clearly see that ...

Anyone reading my post will see that I am highlighting both Love for God and for Neighbor. Anybody can see by my use of scripture that I believe in both loving God and neighbor. And this is what Jesus taught - to love God and neighbor.

What are you reading? Certainly not my comments.

I'm familiar with your doctrine. It distinguishes between love for God and love for neighbor as if they were two completely different things, and elevates love for God expressed in ceremonial worship as being above and supreme to love for God expressed in loving your neighbor. But, scripturally, love for God and love for neighbor are in practice one and the same thing. So, it is the separation of the two in that way, that is what I'm reading in your doctrine.

Like I say, I'm familiar with ceremonial law keeping doctrines and beliefs. In that doctrine Sabbath keeping (for example) is a greater service and obedience to God than loving your neighbor as yourself because they have rationalized Sabbath keeping as the greater command 'love for God' is. So, it's not that 'love of God' is not the greater command. It surely is. The problem is Sabbath keeping, for example, is NOT a greater expression of love for God than 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm not asking you if you agree with it. I'm simply asking if you understand the argument. Do you?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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Ceremonial law keeping is not the measure of love for God that counts. The measure of one's love for God is their love for others, not whether they are circumcised, or keep a Sabbath, or a Festival, etc.

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar." (1 John 4:20 NIV)

In fact, God doesn't even want the sacrifice of our service and worship if we don't first love others:

"23 “...if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift." (Matthew 5:23-24 NIV)


'Religious' duty will NEVER replace or make up for the disobedience of not treating other people with godly love. This is what the prophets condemned the Israelites about--outward law keeping, but inward wickedness.

If a person draws the surety of their salvation and God's pleasure in them from the keeping of the ceremonial requirements of the law they are terribly deceived. Salvation and love for God is measured by how it loves others, including--and maybe especially--it's enemies. Which is interesting because in the church it seems that we think we don't have to be nice to others in the church if they have what we perceive to be questionable doctrine, not knowing it's how we treat our 'enemies' that determines if we really know God or not.

"The only thing that counts is love expressing itself through love." (Galatians 5:6 NIV)

The last message is for the World. And the simplicity of it is... 'If ye love me, keep my commandments'. Now I grant you second place on my agenda.

Matt. 22
[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

[38] This is the first and great commandment.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So friend, the [[only thing that I hate about you are your very false teachings]].
But I doubt that you can understand that?

--Elijah

What I understand is that's how emotionally charged doctrine rationalizes not being nice to those who have opposing doctrines. In much the same way some believers rationalize their harsh, condescending treatment of unbelievers.

But anyway, you posted while I was composing my response to Joe. That response speaks to what your're saying here. Sabbath keeping doctrine says Sabbath keeping is a greater expression of the command to love God than 'love your neighbor as yourself' is. I say, scripturally, this is simply not true. In fact, not even close.

Those who adhere to the Mosaic worship commands are not the only ones who believe this. It's just that the rest of us in the church have different expressions of love for God that we think are greater expressions of love for God than the command to love him by treating people nicely and with respect and being at peace with them. The 'law' of the church today that is regarded as the most important expression of love for God is church attendance, church service, reading the Bible, prayer, baptism, operating in a gift, witnessing, giving to the church, and carefully adhering to a particular worship style and doctrinal statement. We are just as deceived as the law keeping crowd, just in regard to different expressions of the command to 'love God'.

Obedience is better than sacrifice. And God doesn't even want the sacrifice of our worship and service unless we first obey him in being at peace with others (Matthew 5:24 NIV). This seems to be the elusive truth of the church. This is what being on the narrow road that few find is all about. Love for others, including our enemies (especially?), is the great distinguishing mark between those who really do know God and those who just think they do, deceived by the sacrifice of their worship and service (Matthew 7:21-23 NIV) and their association with and exposure to the ways and teachings of Christ and the church (Luke 13:26-27 NIV).

We each have the obligation to show we really do know God and have his approval in salvation by loving others and treating them kindly, compassionately, and with respect. If we can't do that then we have to take a hard look at ourselves to see whether we really are saved or not. That's what 'making our calling and election sure' is all about. A tree is judged by it's fruit, not by it's outer adornment of leaves. The people of God seem to do well at majoring in the showy leaves of the kingdom, and not so much in bearing the fruit of the kingdom.

 

[JLB]

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'Religious' duty will NEVER replace or make up for the disobedience of not treating other people with godly love. This is what the prophets condemned the Israelites about--outward law keeping, but inward wickedness.

Excellent teaching!


JLB

PS - I'm still wondering how you got that quarter to land on it's side?

 

[Elijah674]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Your reasoning is in complete defiance of the scriptures.

To love God
IS to love your neighbor as yourself. That's why the second is like the
first.

You must be delusional as I have said no such thing. Anyone reading this thread will clearly see that ...

Anyone reading my post will see that I am highlighting both Love for God and for Neighbor. Anybody can see by my use of scripture that I believe in both loving God and neighbor. And this is what Jesus taught - to love God and neighbor.

What are you reading? Certainly not my comments.

You have heard the old saying that you can't teach old dogs new tricks? Well, in the case where this one cannot understand LOVING GOD, + these ones who will be blotted from the universe if there is NO improvement! But to remain silent is NO such love.

--Elijah

 

[JLB]

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Sabbath keeping doctrine says Sabbath keeping is a greater expression of the command to love God than 'love your neighbor as yourself' is. I say, scripturally, this is simply not true. In fact, not even close. Those who adhere to the Mosaic worship commands are not the only ones who believe this. It's just that the rest of us in the church have different expressions of love for God that we think are greater expressions of love for God than the command to love him by treating people nicely and with respect and being at peace with them. The 'law' of the church today that is regarded as the most important expression of love for God is church attendance, church service, reading the Bible, prayer, baptism, operating in a gift, witnessing, giving to the church, and carefully adhering to a particular worship style and doctrinal statement. We are just as deceived as the law keeping crowd, just in regard to different expressions of the command to 'love God'. Obedience is better than sacrifice. And God doesn't even want the sacrifice of our worship and service unless we first obey him in being at peace with others (Matthew 5:24 NIV). This seems to be the elusive truth of the church. This is what being on the narrow road that few find is all about. Love for others, including our enemies (especially?), is the great distinguishing mark between those who really do know God and those who just think they do, deceived by the sacrifice of their worship and service (Matthew 7:21-23 NIV) and their association with and exposure to the ways and teachings of Christ and the church (Luke 13:26-27 NIV). We each have the obligation to show we really do know God and have his approval in salvation by loving others and treating them kindly, compassionately, and with respect. If we can't do that then we have to take a hard look at ourselves to see whether we really are saved or not. That's what 'making our calling and election sure' is all about. A tree is judged by it's fruit, not by it's outer adornment of leaves. The people of God seem to do well at majoring in the showy leaves of the kingdom, and not so much in bearing the fruit of the kingdom.

Probably the best worded and most relevant teaching I have ever read on any Christian Forum, ever.


JLB

 

[Mizzy]

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...if there is NO improvement! But to remain silent is NO such love.

Thank you for that! I cannot remain silent a moment longer!!!

Can you puh-leeeeze fix your title? You made me :type Google Sammath!