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How does Pork Kill you?
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Lewis
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I have been watching this topic, and I have not said anything, but if I may, thank you. I eat pork, not like I did in the past, but I still do, in moderation. When I get a taste for pork spare ribs, I will hunt them down, I still eat ham, and pork chops, and the occasional pigs feet. If the pig is corn fed, and raised properly, there is no problems. When I was coming up, they still fed pigs garbage, and that caused problems, but today it is different. God said don't call anything that He has made unclean. Below is a good article I found.
Monday, May 04, 2009
Why do Jews not eat pork?
Rabbi Eric Eisenkramer
The swine flu outbreak recently got me thinking about the Jewish views about the pig. Not consuming pork is a defining tradition in Judaism, one of main rules of keeping kosher, the Jewish dietary laws. When I learned of the swine flue, I wondered for a moment if Judaism got it right in prohibiting the consumption of the pig.
The laws of keeping kosher have been a central part of Jewish practice since Biblical times. In the book of Leviticus, God told the Israelites that they may eat any animal that has a cleft hoof and chews the cud: this includes ox, sheep, goats, deer and cows. However, God prohibits Jews from eating pork since it is an animal that has a split hoof but does not chew the cud. As with many of the laws of the Torah, there is no real reason given for why Jews cannot eat pork. The Bible only states that the pig is unclean. Here God tells us what we cannot do, and the reason seems to be: “Because I told you so!â€Â
Jewish commentators throughout the ages have tried to understand why God would prohibit the consumption of pork. Some scholars believe that the pig simply became taboo in Israelite culture early on and we have upheld that tradition until today. Other commentators suggest that even before there were doctors, Jews realized that the pig could be dangerous to eat as it spends most of the day in its own refuse. Or maybe we cannot eat pork because as the old joke goes: “It is hard to be Jew!†Whatever the reason for the prohibition of pork, it was a powerful practice that Jews have upheld for millennia.
I suspect that if you took a survey of American Jews today, the vast majority would say that they do eat pork. Ever since arriving on American shores, Jews have strived to assimilate and fit in with the larger culture. For many people that meant giving up specific Jewish practices that made them stand apart, like not working on Saturday and avoiding bacon and ham.
At Hancock Shaker Village in MA. I'll hold a piglet but not eat it!
Even in Israel, many secular Jews eat pork. They call it basar lavan, which means “white meat,†like tv commercial slogan: “The Other White Meat.†It is interesting that Israelis do not use the biblical word chazer, which means pig. Perhaps the Jewish stigma against eating pork can still remain strong, even for those who do choose to eat it.
I grew up eating pork like any good Midwestern American boy. In my family, we did not practice any of the kosher laws. We ate pork, pepperoni, ham and bacon. I grew up in a Reform Synagogue in St. Louis and was confirmed. However, it was not until I entered Tufts University that I became very interested in Judaism. Yet, I had no connection or background with the kosher laws. Like most American Jews I knew that pork was forbidden in Jewish practice, but I still kept eating pepperoni pizza.
Then one day I was in the dining hall and I saw a grilled ham and cheese, a sandwich that I had consumed a dozen times that year and always enjoyed. As I thought about eating that ham and cheese, I actually got a little bit nauseous. At that moment, I knew then that it was time for me to give up pork. I have not had a slice of ham or a piece of bacon since.
Looking back, it was my rising sense of Jewish commitment that was coming into conflict with my American lifestyle and dietary choices. I could no longer stomach the idea of eating pork if I was going to continue to move closer to Judaism. So I gave it up. Today, I practice a modified from of keeping kosher: I do not eat pork and shellfish, but I do mix meat and milk. This compromise works for me, and it is a very Reform way of approaching Jewish tradition.
Reform Judaism stresses the idea of informed choice. Reform Jews need to learn about the Jewish rituals and traditions and why they are important. Then we choose which traditions to follow in our lives, traditions that give us a sense of meaning and connection to Judaism. For me that meant that I do not eat pork, but I do not practice other kosher laws like separating meat an milk.
The beauty of Reform Judaism is that each person can choose his or her own level of ritual practice. The danger of Reform Judaism is that we must have some level of Jewish practice to keep our religion meaningful and alive. Informed choice does not mean wholesale rejection.
People sometimes ask me if I miss eating pork, and I always say: “Yes, sometimes I do.†But my refraining from pork is a way of acknowledging the laws of keeping kosher, and it makes me feel closer to my Judaism and Jews stretching all the way back to the Bible.
http://theflyfishingrabbi.blogspot.com/ ... -pork.html
Monday, May 04, 2009
Why do Jews not eat pork?
Rabbi Eric Eisenkramer
The swine flu outbreak recently got me thinking about the Jewish views about the pig. Not consuming pork is a defining tradition in Judaism, one of main rules of keeping kosher, the Jewish dietary laws. When I learned of the swine flue, I wondered for a moment if Judaism got it right in prohibiting the consumption of the pig.
The laws of keeping kosher have been a central part of Jewish practice since Biblical times. In the book of Leviticus, God told the Israelites that they may eat any animal that has a cleft hoof and chews the cud: this includes ox, sheep, goats, deer and cows. However, God prohibits Jews from eating pork since it is an animal that has a split hoof but does not chew the cud. As with many of the laws of the Torah, there is no real reason given for why Jews cannot eat pork. The Bible only states that the pig is unclean. Here God tells us what we cannot do, and the reason seems to be: “Because I told you so!â€Â
Jewish commentators throughout the ages have tried to understand why God would prohibit the consumption of pork. Some scholars believe that the pig simply became taboo in Israelite culture early on and we have upheld that tradition until today. Other commentators suggest that even before there were doctors, Jews realized that the pig could be dangerous to eat as it spends most of the day in its own refuse. Or maybe we cannot eat pork because as the old joke goes: “It is hard to be Jew!†Whatever the reason for the prohibition of pork, it was a powerful practice that Jews have upheld for millennia.
I suspect that if you took a survey of American Jews today, the vast majority would say that they do eat pork. Ever since arriving on American shores, Jews have strived to assimilate and fit in with the larger culture. For many people that meant giving up specific Jewish practices that made them stand apart, like not working on Saturday and avoiding bacon and ham.
At Hancock Shaker Village in MA. I'll hold a piglet but not eat it!
Even in Israel, many secular Jews eat pork. They call it basar lavan, which means “white meat,†like tv commercial slogan: “The Other White Meat.†It is interesting that Israelis do not use the biblical word chazer, which means pig. Perhaps the Jewish stigma against eating pork can still remain strong, even for those who do choose to eat it.
I grew up eating pork like any good Midwestern American boy. In my family, we did not practice any of the kosher laws. We ate pork, pepperoni, ham and bacon. I grew up in a Reform Synagogue in St. Louis and was confirmed. However, it was not until I entered Tufts University that I became very interested in Judaism. Yet, I had no connection or background with the kosher laws. Like most American Jews I knew that pork was forbidden in Jewish practice, but I still kept eating pepperoni pizza.
Then one day I was in the dining hall and I saw a grilled ham and cheese, a sandwich that I had consumed a dozen times that year and always enjoyed. As I thought about eating that ham and cheese, I actually got a little bit nauseous. At that moment, I knew then that it was time for me to give up pork. I have not had a slice of ham or a piece of bacon since.
Looking back, it was my rising sense of Jewish commitment that was coming into conflict with my American lifestyle and dietary choices. I could no longer stomach the idea of eating pork if I was going to continue to move closer to Judaism. So I gave it up. Today, I practice a modified from of keeping kosher: I do not eat pork and shellfish, but I do mix meat and milk. This compromise works for me, and it is a very Reform way of approaching Jewish tradition.
Reform Judaism stresses the idea of informed choice. Reform Jews need to learn about the Jewish rituals and traditions and why they are important. Then we choose which traditions to follow in our lives, traditions that give us a sense of meaning and connection to Judaism. For me that meant that I do not eat pork, but I do not practice other kosher laws like separating meat an milk.
The beauty of Reform Judaism is that each person can choose his or her own level of ritual practice. The danger of Reform Judaism is that we must have some level of Jewish practice to keep our religion meaningful and alive. Informed choice does not mean wholesale rejection.
People sometimes ask me if I miss eating pork, and I always say: “Yes, sometimes I do.†But my refraining from pork is a way of acknowledging the laws of keeping kosher, and it makes me feel closer to my Judaism and Jews stretching all the way back to the Bible.
http://theflyfishingrabbi.blogspot.com/ ... -pork.html
- Jun 21, 2009
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Drew said:
Short and sweet because this thread is indeed coming to an end.
Read between the lines written by your brother and sister here.
I love the way that our sister "handy" made a brief statement, "because the Lord is doing a work within each of our hearts, dependent upon where each person is in their individual walk with God" and will spare you elaboration but only refer back to that post. < http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=38938&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=135#p472040 >
We all know and I hope agree that Jesus did not break the law.
The question becomes: Was Jesus One with the Father?
He is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. Is this not also true of Christ?
It is the job of the Holy Spirit to convict each person. Are we the greater? If so, how so?
These are the things we struggle with when we ask and peer into the Law itself.
If they are not heard then it is safe to consider that unto us is not given an ear to hear and let that be the conclusion. The blind shall not lead the blind because our trust is firmly placed in the only one who does not judge by the hearing and also not by what "appears" to his sight. He judges righteous judgment and we can all safely trust in him.
Drew, if you are stumbling on the word that I bring today - feel free to PM me. I am happy to search with you and discuss at any length how Jesus fullfilled the Law, how the Holy Spirit (Who by definition is 'holy' and utterly apart from sin) can use the law as a tool and convict sinners... They, while under the conviction of the Holy Spirit are being brought to grace, to the very cross for the unsaved -- or are being goaded by His Spirit to run to their Father for grace. It is this action that is seen here.
The type (pattern) that we who judge by our ear only is a mere reflection of what is true (and hidden).
If I were under conviction for sexual sin for example - but didn't want to talk about it because of my shame - and feared to be exposed... I could say, "My righteousness is that I follow the law better than ye all". Of course that is only filthy rags. But unto me it is the only thing that covers me. There is sin that leads to death (I don't say ye shall pray for that) and there is sin that does not: For that we simply ask our Father and He gives life. It is a sweet and abundant life as many here can say. In the garden both Adam and Eve hid from the Lord because they were naked. Today the "hiding behind false righteousness can be seen as a similar thing.
When we grab the filthy garment from our brothers hand and do not offer better - the full righteousness of Christ (in trade for nakedness) who is willing to trade His glory for our shame we are robbing God and violating the intent of the Holy Spirit who like handy said [and clearly does as seen in her actions --- (but I'm not thinking this to show how 'special' she is and know she won't take it that way -same true for all who are doers and not hearers only)] deals with us where we are.
Unto us who are given feet that are agile and swift is also given responsibility. If you love me? Obey me. If you love me? Feed (not spank) my sheep. The sheep hear his voice and WILL NOT follow another. Translated from Hebrew are the words from psalm 22: (23??) The Lord is my shepherd I will not fear.
- Stare straight into the face of the translation now: Yahweh is my rah-'aw (leader) -- not chaser!
The sheep understand the difference between being led to the sweet love they crave and being chased.
Jesus never chases the sheep and doesn't use the rod nor staff except in the way that results in comfort.
You are his sheep. I can not chase you (drive you / force you) in right spirit. I dare not go too far in front of you that you lose sight and cry --- you are a man, bah! Yes, it is true I am mere flesh as you. We each can bring to the other the truth.
My heart rejoices to see you standing next to me in the field that our Father has placed us in. Do not look at me - I am dark but lovely. I have been toiling in the direct light of the sun. My argument, my sin, my law, my God, my Grace and my brother and sister are One. May we conclude this discussion that shows my shame all too clearly to any who are given an eye to see?
Many thanks to all for their patience -- please understand how difficult it is for me to confess myself this way. Here though for your consideration the working within me, the struggle against sin of and for the redeemed, the chosen - even me.
~Sparrow
PS - It is my intent to go back though this thread an glean further depths of the truth [closed] or not --and I would invite all to do so with thanks in their hearts for this thread, this meal, these various "meats" that have been set before us today by our King.
F
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According to scripture if you obey the law but fail in ONE point you are guilty of ALL.Fembot said:
Do you obey the WHOLE law ?
Shall we examine the 600+ laws to see if you do or not ?
If you miss even one then you are guilty of ALL.
Do you not understand this ?
F
follower of Christ
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Seeing that we are told that if we fail in even one point of the law in trying to follow that we are guilty of all, Id say I definitely agree that the law does exactly what youve said here.Drew said:
Im amazed, as Im sure most of us are who understand our freedom in Christ, when some want to willingly take that yoke of bondage on themselves.
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Follower of Christ, Fembot, Drew: Greetings and Peace (Shalom) to you <and to all> !
I've heard several times the mention of the 613 Mitzvots* and our question, "Shall we examine??"
Perhaps we shall - but may I suggest that this would be for another thread?
Cordially,
~Sparrowhawke
As always you are free to PM me with any questions or concerns.
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Footnotes /// Accreditation /// Sources /// Definiton(s)
*Mitzvah; Mitzvot: (lit. “commandmentâ€Â); one of the Torah’s 613 Divine commandments; a good deed or religious precept; according to Chassidut, the word mitzvah stems from the root tzavta = attachment, the mitzvah creating a bond between G-d who commands and man who performs.
Definition per: http://www.chabad.org
follower of Christ said:
I've heard several times the mention of the 613 Mitzvots* and our question, "Shall we examine??"
Perhaps we shall - but may I suggest that this would be for another thread?
Cordially,
~Sparrowhawke
As always you are free to PM me with any questions or concerns.
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Footnotes /// Accreditation /// Sources /// Definiton(s)
*Mitzvah; Mitzvot: (lit. “commandmentâ€Â); one of the Torah’s 613 Divine commandments; a good deed or religious precept; according to Chassidut, the word mitzvah stems from the root tzavta = attachment, the mitzvah creating a bond between G-d who commands and man who performs.
Definition per: http://www.chabad.org
jasoncran said:
mm so many ways to have kangaroo Jason... good for the environment, low in fat and as long as as you dont over cook it, very tender.
Oh and for all the squeamish ones out there, there are more kangaroos in Australia now than when white man came here over 200 years ago.
Had it in a Chinese restaurant once done with black pepper and ginger... mmmm
Armadillo?? got a recipe?? must say, don't see many wandering the streets of Sydney. Squirrel sounds interesting, not much meat I'd imagine on a little grey squirrel, more of a entree? Squirrel parcels?
F
follower of Christ
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Squirrel is excellent
I hunt pretty much every season, never take very many tho. I think I got three grays last year.
I like to cook them like a roast with potatoes, onions and carrots. Good eating. You do need at least one large Squirrel per person and thats if they dont have a huge appetite