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To me this indicates Adams sins are imputed to us. If not babies would not die. Malachi, what are your thoughts on this ? The bible doesn't give me enough to be dogmatic on the topic.
The way to see this is to understand that Adam's sin distorted human nature (producing the indwelling sin nature, also called the Adamic nature), because of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Another way to look at it is that the *virus* of sin infected the entire human race because of Adam, and the proof of that is death (both physical and eternal, which is the second death). Therefore all humans are born with the tendency to sin, and indeed there is none righteous, no not one. That's what Romans 3 and 5 present. Not that Adam's sin is imputed to us, but that we receive a sin nature because of Adam.
 
The way to see this is to understand that Adam's sin distorted human nature (producing the indwelling sin nature, also called the Adamic nature), because of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Another way to look at it is that the *virus* of sin infected the entire human race because of Adam, and the proof of that is death (both physical and eternal, which is the second death). Therefore all humans are born with the tendency to sin, and indeed there is none righteous, no not one. That's what Romans 3 and 5 present. Not that Adam's sin is imputed to us, but that we receive a sin nature because of Adam.

There is some sense to that...but I believe it to be much more.
Infants die...with out breaking any of Gods law. They can't understand. Why can they die? I think one can say...the sin of Adam and the imputation of that sin to every individual in human race is an answer.
For a short article..click here.
 
I do believe it is Adam's personal, specific, "original" sin that is "imputed" to each of us, as if we had committed his sin ourselves.
The Ezekiel passage says different.
"The soul that sins shall die.
The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father,
..." (Eze 18:20a RSV)
You are saying that the son SHALL suffer for the iniquity of the father and the soul that did not sin will die for the sin of his father.
Above you also said it's 100% pure speculation Adam would not have sinned for multiple thousands of years...Well. do you expect to sin in heaven?
What has that got to do with anything under discussion in this thread?
Adam wasn't "in heaven." He was on the earth.
The fact is that, even though he was in a paradise and he got to walk with God on a daily basis, he still sinned.
So, the opinion that he wouldn't ever sin even once over many thousands of years is 100% pure speculation with a probability of zero.
 
The Ezekiel passage says different.
"The soul that sins shall die.
The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father,
..." (Eze 18:20a RSV)
You are saying that the son SHALL suffer for the iniquity of the father and the soul that did not sin will die for the sin of his father.

What has that got to do with anything under discussion in this thread?
Adam wasn't "in heaven." He was on the earth.
The fact is that, even though he was in a paradise and he got to walk with God on a daily basis, he still sinned.
So, the opinion that he wouldn't ever sin even once over many thousands of years is 100% pure speculation with a probability of zero.

If your interpretation of Eze 18:20 is correct...then we shouldn't suffer with our sin nature that Adam gave us due to his sin.

So, I suggest you go back and discover the real meaning of the verse so you don't apply it out of context again.
 
If your interpretation of Eze 18:20 is correct...then we shouldn't suffer with our sin nature that Adam gave us due to his sin.

So, I suggest you go back and discover the real meaning of the verse so you don't apply it out of context again.
Correct. That verse should not be taken out of context. It is applicable to the manner in which God holds each individual accountable for their own personal sins, and has nothing to do with why the human race is subject to sin and death.
 
If your interpretation of Eze 18:20 is correct...then we shouldn't suffer with our sin nature that Adam gave us due to his sin.
That comment is a pretty good indication that you don't have any idea what "my interpretation" is.
Because mankind sins, mankind suffers for its sins.
No only do we suffer as individuals for our own sins but so does our, family, our community, our nation and entire world suffer from the results of mankind's sins.
So, I suggest you go back and discover the real meaning of the verse so you don't apply it out of context again.
I'll be sure give your suggestion all the attention it deserves.
 
That comment is a pretty good indication that you don't have any idea what "my interpretation" is.
Because mankind sins, mankind suffers for its sins.
No only do we suffer as individuals for our own sins but so does our, family, our community, our nation and entire world suffer from the results of mankind's sins.

I'll be sure give your suggestion all the attention it deserves.

I believe your interpretation was.....God doesn't impute Adams sin to disobey and eat from the tree,,,because Eze said He doesn't.
 
I believe your interpretation was.....God doesn't impute Adams sin to disobey and eat from the tree,,,because Eze said He doesn't.
"The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son." (Eze 18:20b) was the word of the Lord (Eze 18:1) So, that's not what "Ezekiel said;" it's what God said.
God said we sons and daughters of Adam will not bear the guilt of our father, Adam.
That's not "my interpretation;" it's exactly what God said.
I don't know how it could be any clearer.
 
"The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son." (Eze 18:20b) was the word of the Lord (Eze 18:1) So, that's not what "Ezekiel said;" it's what God said.
God said we sons and daughters of Adam will not bear the guilt of our father, Adam.
That's not "my interpretation;" it's exactly what God said.
I don't know how it could be any clearer.

This passage from Ezekiel should be seen in context with the New Covenant; not the covenant made with Moses.


Ezekiel 18:1-4
The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying, What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine:the soul that sinneth, it shall die.


Jeremiah 31:27-32
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah
with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them,
to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down,
and to destroy, and to afflict;
so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
In those days they shall say no more,
The fathers have eaten a sour grape,
and the children's teeth are set on edge.
But every one shall die for his own iniquity:
every man that eateth the sour grape,
his teeth shall be set on edge.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand
to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:


Contrast that to the first commandment of the Law of Moses.

Exodus 20:1-6
And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
 
"The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son." (Eze 18:20b) was the word of the Lord (Eze 18:1) So, that's not what "Ezekiel said;" it's what God said.
God said we sons and daughters of Adam will not bear the guilt of our father, Adam.
That's not "my interpretation;" it's exactly what God said.
I don't know how it could be any clearer.

I grant you, it's what God said...you simply applied a meaning to it that is incorrect.
 
I grant you, it's what God said...you simply applied a meaning to it that is incorrect.
"The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son." (Eze 18:20b) was the word of the Lord (Eze 18:1) So, that's not what "Ezekiel said;" it's what God said.
The meaning that I simply applied to what God said is; The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, not the father bear the guilt of the son.
What meaning did you think I was applying?
 
"The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son." (Eze 18:20b) was the word of the Lord (Eze 18:1) So, that's not what "Ezekiel said;" it's what God said.
The meaning that I simply applied to what God said is; The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, not the father bear the guilt of the son.
What meaning did you think I was applying?

I thought you were saying we don't share in Adams original act of disobedience. The other sins of Adam, we don't share that guilt.
 
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