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How Homosexuals Misinterpret Scripture

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How Homosexuals Misinterpret Scripture

The gays continue to pervert whatever they get their hands on. They totally wacked up the interpretation of scripture on the web site listed below and on other gay christian web sites they have linked up to.

They say this article refers to the original hebrew translation, but if you notice, the way the gays translate it is perverted to suite their own definitions. Notice how they pervert the definition of what it means to sleep in the bed of a women and how they take that to mean homosexuals are to not have sex with each other in a woman’s bed.

The source of this information is from gay christian web site. They have links to what is called Rainbow christians and other gay christians links. Notice how they pervert the interpretations of scripture and try very hard to justify the error of their ways. And buy into their own lies.

They try to use these sources to prove themselves correct. :o


source of the following article:
http://pages.prodigy.net/evlewis51/_wsn/page7.html



A Study of Homosexuality and the Bible
Homosexuality and the Scripture
A Biblically Based Study on Homosexuality in the Bible
The purpose of writing this document was threefold: 1) to understand for myself what the original Hebrew and Greek texts state concerning homosexuality, 2) to compile a concise, to the point, biblically based study, and 3) to share this information with anyone that wants to learn the truth, walk in greater love and more in Christ.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
John 8:32 You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

The original Hebrew and Greek texts were studied for the purposes of this document. The Hebrew and Greek words were not included in this document because most PCs and printers do not have the corresponding fonts loaded and the results would have been illegible.
Old Testament
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. ASV

Correct Hebrew translation: "and with a male thou shalt not lie down in beds of a woman; it is an abomination".


It can be seen that, rather than forbidding male homosexuality, it simply restricts where it may occur. Culturally, a woman's bed was her own. Other than the woman herself, only her husband was permitted in her bed, and there were even restrictions on when he was allowed in there. Any other use of her bed would have been considered defilement. Other verses in the Law will help clarify the acceptable use of the woman's bed.
[absurd interpretation ! ]

Leviticus 20:13

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. KJV


Correct Hebrew translation: "And a man who will lie down with a male in beds of a woman, both of them have made an abomination; dying they will die. Their blood is on them.


[How Absurd this following interpretation is! ]
Again it can be seen that, rather than forbidding male homosexuality, it simply restricts where it may occur. Culturally, a woman's bed was her own. Other than the woman herself, only her husband was permitted in her bed, and there were even restrictions on when he was allowed in there. Any other use of her bed would have been considered defilement. Other verses in the Law will help clarify the acceptable use of the woman's bed.


1 Samuel 18

1 Sam 18:3-4 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle. KJV


In this passage it speaks of an "immediate bond of love", their souls being "in unison," their souls being "knit". Genesis 2:7, as written in the original Hebrew, describes how God blew the spirit into the body of Adam that God had formed from earth, so that Adam became a living soul. This means that "soul", in the ancient Israelite times and in the Old Testament Hebrew, represents a combination of body and spirit. [Here is another absurd interpretation! ]Thus the two men appear to have loved each other both physically and spiritually. 1 Samuel 18:3-4 also tell us that Jonathan and David made a covenant, and that, to seal the covenant, Jonathan took off all the things he was wearing and gave them to David. The things he took off tell us a lot about the covenant itself. He took off his sword and bow and gave them to David, signifying that he intended to protect David. But it went further than that. By taking off all his clothes, he signified a much deeper and more intense relationship. Had this not been the start of a physical, sexual relationship, Jonathan's actions would have been considered bizarre indeed, by the standards of their day, or ours.4 [ :o That whole interpretation of theirs is totally wacked out! ]


1 Samuel 18:21 And Saul said, I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him, and that the hand of the Philistines may be against him. Wherefore Saul said to David, Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law a second time. ASV

1 Samuel 18:21 And Saul said, I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him, and that the hand of the Philistines may be against him. Wherefore Saul said to David, Thou shalt this day be my son in law in the one of the twain. KJV

Notice that "the one of" is in italics in the KJV. That means they are not found in the Hebrew text. In fact, they are not even hinted at in the Hebrew text. Adding them completely changed the meaning of the verse. [And yet another absurd interpretation! ] Verse 21 proves that Jonathan and David's covenant was a marriage covenant, and that Saul recognized the marriage, since, beside Michal, David had no marriage covenant with any of Saul's other children. Although he was supposed to marry Saul's daughter Merab, that never happened. Therefore, the only two of Saul's children he had covenants with were Jonathan and Michal. Just as a point of information, Hebrew has no word for "son-in-law". The Hebrew word used in the verse is a verb which means "to be related by marriage". Since Saul used the verb in connection with David's impending marriage to Michal, it is clear that the relationship he referred to was indeed son-in-law. [ :o ]

The rest of the article is here:
http://pages.prodigy.net/evlewis51/_wsn/page7.html

[ Unbelievable!!! And totally absurd!
What makes them think they can get away with such a perverted interpretation?
:o :o :o :o ]



[edited to correct spelling]
 
Lewis W said:
Thank you for that Relic.


I see you guys have a covered a lot of the misconceptions of so called gay christians midway into this thread with some excellent postings backed up by the truth of the Word of God : Should Homosexuals Adopt Children ?

It is so sad the gays and their advocates must resort to perverting scripture into lies of their own making in order to justify staying in their sin.


We all need to admit to the Holy Spirit's conviction of sin and come to the place of repentance from it. That is what a work in progress is, not when we deny conviction, but when we admit to the conviction and repent from the sin. This is when we find the mercy and grace of God, if we deny the truth of what a sin is then how can we say we have found or have been given His grace when we ignore the offering of repentance from the very sin we have been convicted of? We are all to Go and sin no more.

I pray God bring me to my knees in repentance of any sin that is found in me as the Holy Spirit shows me the error of my ways. We are all a work in progress when we accept the working of the Holy Spirit into our lives, not when we spite the Holy Spirit and say sin is not sin. Gay people and their advocates need to face the truth and repent just the same as any other Christian who is a work in progress.
The Holy spirit has convicted me of plenty enough and I am a work in progress. No matter how long it takes to be freed from a particular sin I do not deny the sin(s) I have been shown, I ask the Holy Spirit to free me FROM the sin so as to Go and sin that sin no more!

Praise God for his mercy at work in the cleansing. That cleansing means we don't go back to that sin! But walk in a newness of His Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not continue in sin. We are to walk in the Holy spirit, not in the spirit of sin.

Jesus said to pick up our cross daily. If sin weren't a pleasure would He have said to pick up our cross daily? We are a work in progress, and are not to ignore turning away from sin when it is revealed to us as a thing to be purged from out of our lives. Why don't some homosexuals get that they have to turn away from sin, instead of saying it is not sin?

Isaiah 3:9
The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
its funny. When a gay interprets scripture diffrently, they are bad, evil and wrong.


however, when a heterosexual interprets scripture diffrently, they are just a diffrent sect of Christianity.
 
The same was said of Christians that interpreted scripture as saying that interracial marriage was ok. Now it is mainstream theology that interracial marriage is ok. You are just seeing the beginnings of yet another shift in Christian theology to come up to date with modern cultural values.
 
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Atheists and agnostics, gays, or those who advocate for the gay movement don't really know or understand the absolute character of God, nor do they know or understand the absolute moral laws of God, nor do they understand from whence comes the consequences of being an amoral person.
 
Quath said:
The same was said of Christians that interpreted scripture as saying that interracial marriage was ok. Now it is mainstream theology that interracial marriage is ok. You are just seeing the beginnings of yet another shift in Christian theology to come up to date with modern cultural values.
I'll say this in just passing' there is no such thing as another race, there is just one. The human race.
 
Relic said:
Atheists and agnostics, gays, or those who advocate for the gay movement don't really know or understand the absolute character of God, nor do they know or understand the absolute moral laws of God, nor do they understand from whence comes the consequences of being an amoral person.
The Bible says it is ok to beat your slave so long as the slave does not die two days later. Since this is part of the Bible, it must be an absolute moral law. God also gave a law that said that people working on Saturday must die by rocks being thrown at them. This is also an absolute moral law.

Yet Christians know that these are not really moral. Would you rather stand with these laws or with the realtive moral laws of today that say that salvery is bad and that stoning people is bad? I find more modern laws to be much more moral than the values promoted by the Old Testament.

I also think in our hearts we probably agree. But in these debates, we probably will not.
 
Quath said:
The Bible says it is ok to beat your slave so long as the slave does not die two days later. Since this is part of the Bible, it must be an absolute moral law. God also gave a law that said that people working on Saturday must die by rocks being thrown at them. This is also an absolute moral law.

Yet Christians know that these are not really moral. Would you rather stand with these laws or with the realtive moral laws of today that say that salvery is bad and that stoning people is bad? I find more modern laws to be much more moral than the values promoted by the Old Testament.

I also think in our hearts we probably agree. But in these debates, we probably will not.

Quath
What would you know about moral law? How can you possibly know this?
 
oscar3 said:
Quath
What would you know about moral law? How can you possibly know this?
I see two types of "moral law" here. The absolute (but really relative) ones that Christians say come directly from God. And the morality that comes from social contracts and biology.

The Christian moral law make little logical sense and is cultural relativism in disguise. I think such laws are in the end very harmful to society and to its people. Just as an example, God says it is moral to kill your enbemy's children. He doesn't just accept it - He demanded it. So that means that if it is morally good to kill your enemy's children because God wanted it once, that means it should always be ok (unless such a law/command were relative). I could go on with all the barbaric laws that God promotes in the Old Testament, but I think this is a good enough example.
 
Quath said:
I see two types of "moral law" here. The absolute (but really relative) ones that Christians say come directly from God. And the morality that comes from social contracts and biology.

The Christian moral law make little logical sense and is cultural relativism in disguise. I think such laws are in the end very harmful to society and to its people. Just as an example, God says it is moral to kill your enbemy's children. He doesn't just accept it - He demanded it. So that means that if it is morally good to kill your enemy's children because God wanted it once, that means it should always be ok (unless such a law/command were relative). I could go on with all the barbaric laws that God promotes in the Old Testament, but I think this is a good enough example.

Your opinion is one that only judges God.

Quath, The assignment God gives to man in appropriation to the culture and time is not for you to say whether it was just or not.


So Quath, what do you think about the wrath of God to come that is written of in the book of Revelation? Do you think God will not be using man to fight wars on earth during that time?

Quath, you misunderstand the way in which God uses “people†for His purpose. Yes Quath, even in times of war and even in the selected punishment of individuals. Why do you not see that the generational wickedness is what God was wiping out. You don't approve of the way in which God breaks the chains of generational curses? Is that it? You think man is not used for His purposes in the wiping out of evil? You think that God doesn't use the example of satan's wickedness as a means to an end?
God gives free will to the spirit. What the spirit does in regards to goodness and evil is of their own making. God has shown us the difference between good and evil. Why do you think man should not be used by God to wipe out evil from the flesh of man through certain disciplines and through wars on earth? You think God is going to wave some magical mystical fairy tale wand and just make it all stop without the process of evolution of war and peace? Then, you must not understand the battle betwixt that which is deemed holy and that which is deemed evil in the sight of God.

The thing is Quath, is that YOU judge GOD! instead of accepting Him for all that He is. even the wrath of God is necessary in order to bring His glory manifestation of earth. Read the Book of Revelation, There is a great judgment and His wrath is at work in it! Then and only then will there be 1000 years of peace on earth, but then guess what Quath..... What happens after that 1000 years of peace!

Your problems is that you refuse to accept God and all that He is was and will always be! It is you who wants to control his righteousness and his judgments upon the wicked of this world. The thing is Quath, is that you have no idea of what it means to have reverence for the Lord God in all of His being. You don’t understand how God purges, how he prunes the vine, how he cleanses the spirit.

If Dinosaurs still roamed the earth.... would you build your house right next to it’s nest and think there would be no consequences coming your way? Don’t you think it was God who wiped out the dinosaurs? Or do you just think it was a freak act of nature?

Point in case..... it is God who executes judgment in His own way, and you seem to have a problem with God’s righteous judgment. You can’t accept HIS WAYS. and you refuse to accept HIS WAYS and think YOUR ways are better than God’s Ways. Truth is Quath, God’s ways are far more than you would ever be able to comprehend. Why do you judge His wrath or His means of discipline as they rightly appropriated with the culture and the times? You seem to think God can’t evolve in His own way and that His wrath is going to adjust for your sense of what is appropriate for times past, present and future.

From the beginning of time to the end of time.... God’s righteous judgment is not going to adjust according to YOUR say so as to when and how it should or should not be done. Seems to me Quath, that you want to be in control of God.

When you can learn to revere God for all the He is, then you will understand what it means to be humble in His presence, then you will learn what the fear of the Lord really is. You have no power over His wrath Quath! You never will. God's righteous judgment against evil is something you need to learn to understand. If not then go build your house next door to a den of thieves, next door to a mob of unrepentant sinners. Go right ahead and make your bed with them. You will not escape the wrath to come if you are found caught up in their sin with them. God's wrath is just. There is nothing YOU Quath can do about it but to learn how to revere Him. God ain't going to change for you Quath, It is all of us who need to change for God. And the purging of sins is a part of it whether you like it or not, how He does so is not going to change His Ways, just because YOU think it is too harsh.

You are not greater than He! Humble yourself to His Majesty and see that sin is the catalyst of His wrath. Once you understand that the principalities of this world are not going to be victorious and that just because God gives all of us the freedom to choose between good and evil, does not mean evil will prevail in HIS kingdom. The wicked shall be wicked still, but not given entrance into heaven! If you can't see the separation of good and evil in that they cannot and will never be at peace with each other... then you are in need of learning more of the Character of God. I pray you come to understand that even the wrath of God has a place in the existence of all things. Just because heaven is a place of peace and no more war.... there will still be that place of hell and torment that is outside of it.

Jesus calls us all to the kingdom of heaven within. He calls us to come out of the sins of the world. Can't you see the dimensions? Read the book of Revelation again until you see the workings of the wars before the peace. The storm before the calm. The earth trembles at the Hand of God's almighty adjustments upon it!

Job 26:11
The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.


James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

But the homosexuals, do they tremble at the mighty awesome power of the Lord God? Do they have any inkling of the fear of his wrath to come upon the sins of the world? A study on the ways in which God separates the evil from the heavenly is not for you to judge! But for you to come to understand that if you want to be separated from the wrath of God towards all that is evil, then you need to repent of all of the sins from which the Holy Spirit reveals to you. If you prefer to believe the lies of the devil rather than the truth of what consequences sins brings about, then you will not be able to enter into that heavenly place God has reserved for you. We all must repent of our sins before forgiveness of them is manifested. We cannot take sin into the heavenly place. Sin is outside of it! and will never be able to enter into heaven. Absolute laws of God cannot be transgressed. And if you don't like His way of purging sins of the world, then you must learn more about the Character of God and stop judging Him for His Ways of doing things. Think! sin and the glory of God are not going to reside in heavenly peace. There is war, there is victory. Where is victory without the battle of war? If you can't see that wars will continue until the day of the Lord, then you are not understanding anything about Ephesians 6:11-20


1000 years of peace... then he will be released for a short time.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-15
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.



Yes, Even the homosexual is to repent of their sins. And those who are found saying that homosexuality is not sin is also subject to the written truth of the prophet Isaiah.

Isaiah 3:9
The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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Relic said:
Quath, The assignment God gives to man in appropriation to the culture and time is not for you to say whether it was just or not.
I think that it is the job of thinking people to question orders. When someone orders me to go kill babies, I heavily question that. Especially when it makes no sense to do so. If I can tell it is senseless slaughter, I would have to stand up to any divine being and state it is wrong.

Why does God want those babies killed? I am pretty sure any excuse doesn't work. Here are a few I have heard and why they fail:

1. God wanted to wipe out a culture. - Sparing the children and raising them as Hebrew would still have wiped out the culture.

2. Those people practiced human scarifice. - So making the Hebrews kill the children for Yahweh is no better. The children are just as dead and also dead in the name of a god.

3. The children go to heaven so they just experience temporary pain (no big deal) - That would imply that killing any child is not bad then.

4. The Hebrews could not support the children - But God could with manna and all that.

Furthermore, if God really wanted the children killed, he should do it himself. He should not try to corrupt people by forcing them to be baby-killers.

So Quath, what do you think about the wrath of God to come that is written of in the book of Revelation? Do you think God will not be using man to fight wars on earth during that time?
Well, in reality I do not believe this book. As part of the Bible, I think it probably doesn't belong. (It was almost voted out.) But even if it is part of the story, God should never try to force violence. That should come about from "free will" not by divine orders.

Your problems is that you refuse to accept God and all that He is was and will always be! It is you who wants to control his righteousness and his judgments upon the wicked of this world. The thing is Quath, is that you have no idea of what it means to have reverence for the Lord God in all of His being. You don’t understand how God purges, how he prunes the vine, how he cleanses the spirit.
Well, I see God differently. To me he is similar to a merging of Zeus, Thor, Odin and Ares. He is the supreme deity of his pantheon and is also the god of war. I reject belief in him the same way both of us reject the other gods I just mentioned. Yet I feel I am being more consistent than you on this issue.
 
Quath wrote
Well, I see God differently. To me he is similar to a merging of Zeus, Thor, Odin and Ares. He is the supreme deity of his pantheon and is also the god of war. I reject belief in him the same way both of us reject the other gods I just mentioned. Yet I feel I am being more consistent than you on this issue.


Lewis wrote
HUH''' I should have know that you would caompare God' to Zeus.
I got to remember that it is you that I am talking to. Your picture below helps me to remember just who you are.

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Lewis W said:
Quath wrote
Well, I see God differently. To me he is similar to a merging of Zeus, Thor, Odin and Ares. He is the supreme deity of his pantheon and is also the god of war. I reject belief in him the same way both of us reject the other gods I just mentioned. Yet I feel I am being more consistent than you on this issue.


Lewis wrote
HUH''' I should have know that you would caompare God' to Zeus.
I got to remember that it is you that I am talking to. Your picture below helps me to remember just who you are.

[/quote]


LOL
 
Lewis W said:
Quath wrote
Well, I see God differently. To me he is similar to a merging of Zeus, Thor, Odin and Ares. He is the supreme deity of his pantheon and is also the god of war. I reject belief in him the same way both of us reject the other gods I just mentioned. Yet I feel I am being more consistent than you on this issue.


Lewis wrote
HUH''' I should have know that you would caompare God' to Zeus.
I got to remember that it is you that I am talking to. Your picture below helps me to remember just who you are.


jgredline said:
LOL[\quote]

Disgusting. Sorry jg and Lewis.

Quath ...I humbly apologize for the way you are being treated here on this thread. I'm not so sure about God but I can't believe for one second that Jesus would respond to you in the manner that these wonderful Christians do.

Um ...correct me if I'm wrong but I take it that YOU, Quath, are supposed to be the 'lost' one and the others are God's 'saved' ...is that the way it's supposed to work?
 
hehe, its sort of funny quath. You and I are apparently both subject to the exact same provoking picture attacks.


now, if either of us were to post something like

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we would be in violation of the TOS, because we would be trying to disrupt the peace and harmony of a thread.
 
OK, the shots have been taken from both sides.
Holster those hoglegs or check them at the door. Either way is fine by me.

No more personal attacks or comment on same or this thread will be locked.
Forgive it, bury it or forget it. Or any combination of the three.
 
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