How is it that these devils could believe they seen the Son of God in the flesh? Are they of God?

[4afaithfulone]

You do realize that salvation is never mentioned for the fallen angels right?

And that "spirits" in 1 john 4:2 is "personalities" or to be blunt......us(humans)?

Yes, that is why I say that the devils knew whom Jesus was in the flesh and it does not save them. Here is another verse for you.
Luke 4:41
41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
KJV

 

[gr8grace3]

But only those who are able to accept the Word who love and honor to allow him come into their flesh to be their Lord to obey, are of God.

Give us one verse that He comes into our flesh and we are not a NEW creation.

Rom 7:18-20~~18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

 

[Kathi]

Yes I see what you are saying, but I was thinking on the lines, that God created Satan, and that all souls belong to God.
I agree with your post, there are some requirements.

I do agree that God created Satan and all the angels that were cast out of heaven with Satan.

 

[Free]

Hello Free,
Actually, there are many false prophets who are only pasturing sheep to get their money and they have no intensions of adhering to the Word of God or keeping the sheep safe. They do not have the Word indwelling them they are hired shepherds. But only those who are able to accept the Word who love and honor to allow him come into their flesh to be their Lord to obey, are of God. Many can fake it, and you will know who they are because they don't know the Word himself at all and especially don't follow Christ. If you take a look at this last line, it will tell you that it is talking about him in us, not him in earth in a flesh body.
1 John 4:2-4
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
KJV

No, the last line is simply showing that believers "have overcome them" because Jesus is in us. That has nothing to do with whether or not Jesus was in a fleshly body. Just look at the next two verses.

 

[gr8grace3]

Yes, that is why I say that the devils knew whom Jesus was in the flesh and it does not save them. Here is another verse for you.
Luke 4:41
41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
KJV

Salvation is not for the fallen angels......they know the truth and it does not save them. Salvation is for mankind.
The fallen angels know that He is Flesh and God and they know what He did on the cross for the human race. If salvation was for them they would be saved. Because they KNOW. Jesus Christ preached it to them in the triumphal procession. Every devil,demon and fallen angel was in chains and displayed as defeated. They KNOW.

Eph 4:8~~New American Standard Bible
Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."

Psalm 68:18~~New American Standard Bible
You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives; You have received gifts among men, Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Give us one verse that He comes into our flesh and we are not a NEW creation.

Rom 7:18-20~~18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

Here are many that claim that God, rather it be the Son or the Spirit or the Father is to be within us.
2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
KJV
John 14:23-24

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

KJV

John 15:4

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

KJV

John 14:20

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

KJV

John 14:16-20

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

KJV

Rom 8:11

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

KJV

Matt 10:20

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

KJV



1 Cor 3:16

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

KJV

1 Cor 14:26

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

KJV

 

[gr8grace3]

Here are many that claim that God, rather it be the Son or the Spirit or the Father is to be within us.
2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
KJV
John 14:23-24

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

KJV

John 15:4

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

KJV

John 14:20

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

KJV

John 14:16-20

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

KJV

Rom 8:11

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

KJV

Matt 10:20

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

KJV



1 Cor 3:16

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

KJV

1 Cor 14:26

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

KJV

Not one verse says He comes/dwells in our flesh.

 

[gr8grace3]

Here are many that claim that God, rather it be the Son or the Spirit or the Father is to be within us.
2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
KJV
John 14:23-24

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

KJV

John 15:4

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

KJV

John 14:20

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

KJV

John 14:16-20

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

KJV

Rom 8:11

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

KJV

Matt 10:20

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

KJV



1 Cor 3:16

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

KJV

1 Cor 14:26

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

KJV

You have been deceived by lordship salvation.

Jesus Christ is Lord. We have no way of "making" Him Lord.
New American Standard Bible
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[4afaithfulone]

You have been deceived by lordship salvation.

Jesus Christ is Lord. We have no way of "making" Him Lord.
New American Standard Bible
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

It is not me that is deceived.
2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? KJV
What do you think IN YOU means? Are you flesh?

 

[gr8grace3]

It is not me that is deceived.
2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? KJV
What do you think IN YOU means? Are you flesh?

Show a verse that says Christ indwells our flesh?

 

[reba]

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[reba]

Message to all posters drop the accusations admin...

 

[4afaithfulone]

No, the last line is simply showing that believers "have overcome them" because Jesus is in us. That has nothing to do with whether or not Jesus was in a fleshly body. Just look at the next two verses.

No, it does not have anything to do with him coming in a flesh body that is what I am trying to get someone to SEE, because it says that HE WHO IS IN YOU, in your body.
(Edited and removed, failure to follow an administrators request to stop the accusations. Obadiah)

 

[Free]

No, it does not have anything to do with him coming in a flesh body that is what I am trying to get someone to SEE, because it says that HE WHO IS IN YOU, in your body.
(Edited and removed, failure to follow an administrators request to stop the accusations. Obadiah)
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Wow.

 

[gr8grace3]

It is not me that is deceived.
2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? KJV
What do you think IN YOU means? Are you flesh?

Do you understand what the new creation is?
2 Cor 5:17~~New American Standard Bible
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

It is NEW. It is not our flesh.....it is new.
Rom 7:19~~New American Standard Bible
For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.

 

[reba]

Often we can see how very important context is...

 

[gr8grace3]

No, it does not have anything to do with him coming in a flesh body that is what I am trying to get someone to SEE, because it says that HE WHO IS IN YOU, in your body.
(Edited and removed, failure to follow an administrators request to stop the accusations. Obadiah)

I saw it your way most of my Christian life.

 

[gr8grace3]

No, it does not have anything to do with him coming in a flesh body that is what I am trying to get someone to SEE, because it says that HE WHO IS IN YOU, in your body.
(Edited and removed, failure to follow an administrators request to stop the accusations. Obadiah)

And I know we butt heads a bit. But when we can change our motivation of "what can we do for Jesus Christ" to "what Jesus Christ did for us" we can do great things through the Spirit for Him.

 

[gr8grace3]

Gal 5:16-17~~16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

 

[Deborah13]

A natural reading of the passage strongly suggests that it is in fact speaking of Jesus in the flesh. Note that verse 1 mentions false prophets, the whole reason why we are not to believe every spirit but rather test them. John is addressing what these false prophets were saying. It is quite possible that these false prophets were early Gnostics--they believed that all matter was evil and that spirit was good, hence their need to deny that Jesus had a body of flesh.

I agree with this. 1 John 1:1 is all about the Christ coming in the flesh. As gr8grace3 says, the Christ incarnate.
John begins his argument by saying that he (and others) were witnesses to the incarnate Messiah even that they physically touched Him.
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we did behold, and our hands did handle, concerning the Word of the Life--

The Gnostics, because they believed that all matter was evil and the spirit was good, they didn't believe they needed to live moral lives in the flesh in order to have fellowship with God. If one reads about them they didn't have any problem with cult type pagan, orgies, etc. They didn't believe that what they did in the flesh was sin.
But the biggest issue was they didn't believe that the Christ came in the flesh, because flesh was evil, so He must have been a spirit. This is John's argument against their heresy. [What's inside brackets is my understanding of what was written and to whom.]
1Jn 1:5 And this is the message that we have heard from Him, and announce to you, that God is light, and darkness in Him is not at all; [everyone, believers and Gnostics]
1Jn 1:6 if we may say--`we have fellowship with Him,' and in the darkness may walk--we lie, and do not the truth;
[Gnostics, that is what they believed, could have fellowship with God and walk in evil deeds]
1Jn 1:7 and if in the light we may walk, as He is in the light--we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son doth cleanse us from every sin; [cure for the Gnostics' heresy]
1Jn 1:8 if we may say--`we have not sin,' ourselves we lead astray, and the truth is not in us;[Gnostics, that is what they said 'we have not sin'.]
1Jn 1:9 if we may confess our sins, stedfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness;[cure for the Gnostics' heresy]
1Jn 1:10 if we may say--`we have not sinned,' a liar we make Him, and His word is not in us.
All believers have confessed that they have sinned or they are not believers, they have not been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ.

What do satan and the demons believe, that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. But can they believe that His blood cleanses them of all sin? No, all they can believe for is that satan has been judged and so have they and they tremble. Some people aren't trembling. They don't believe that the Son of God came in the flesh and that they too will be judged by their rejection of Him.
Joh 16:11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world hath been judged.