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How many times can a person be baptized?
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To answer your request for Scripture:
John 13
6 He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, “Lord, are you going to wash my feet?”
7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”
8 “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”
Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
9 “Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!”
10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.”
Baptism is only necessary once, but one can be baptized many times. It's just not necessary.
John 13
6 He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, “Lord, are you going to wash my feet?”
7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”
8 “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”
Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
9 “Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!”
10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.”
Baptism is only necessary once, but one can be baptized many times. It's just not necessary.
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Baptism
John 3:5 never mentions the word baptize, but says only by being born of water and spirit, which means water as living water (word of God) that no one can enter into the kingdom of God unless they are Spiritually renewed (born again) by the hearing of the word, which is Christ Jesus and by the Holy Spirit that came on them in the OT and indwells us in the NT. Many do read into the passage a preconceived idea or theology, but baptism is never mentioned in this verse. Word is living water as described in John 4:10; 7:38; 1John 5:6; Jeremiah 2:13; Isaiah 55:1-3 to name a few.
If salvation came by actual immersion in water Jesus clearly could have simply stated, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is baptized by being immersed in water and born of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Further, if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
John's baptism was literal, but yet symbolic for cleansing after one repented of their sin. Notice in Mark 1:8 I have baptized you with (actual) water, but he (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. (Not water, but baptize you with the Holy Spirit after you have repented and made clean again through the washing of the word as you become a new creation in Christ.
Being Spiritually born/renewed from above means being born from the heavenly word of God, not dirty river water. When Jesus was baptized by John it was for the fulfillment of Messiah come as the Holy Spirit fell down on Him. Jesus had no need of being baptized in water for the remission of sin.
There is nothing wrong with being dunked in water as it is only an outward appearance of a Spiritual renewal within you.
Marriage
1 Corinthians 7:10, Jesus commands the woman not to leave her husband and if she does she should remain unmarried, but in Malachi 2:10-16 the treachery that man commits against a woman which leads him to have an affair outside of the marriage or abuses the wife whether it be physical or emotional gives place to what was said by Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 that if a woman is no longer pleasing to her husband then the husband should give his wife a written bill of divorcement and send her out of the house and this gives the woman the right to marry again, but she can never go back to her former husband if that marriage does not work out or her husband dies for now she is defiled to be with her first husband and this is an abomination to God.
For a good marriage to work one should study 2 Corinthians 6:14 be ye not unequally yoked together with non-believers for what fellowship hath righteous with unrighteous, and what communion has light with darkness. If you are a believer in Jesus Christ then you need to choose a mate that also believes in the faith of Christ. In some marriages people do not enter into a relationship with Christ being the center of it, but maybe one of them come to know the Lord and the other one refuses to have that personal relationship with Christ then we go back to what 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 says. If the unbelieving partner leaves the believing partner then this frees the believing partner from the bondage of the vows of marriage and they are free to marry again.
John 3:5 never mentions the word baptize, but says only by being born of water and spirit, which means water as living water (word of God) that no one can enter into the kingdom of God unless they are Spiritually renewed (born again) by the hearing of the word, which is Christ Jesus and by the Holy Spirit that came on them in the OT and indwells us in the NT. Many do read into the passage a preconceived idea or theology, but baptism is never mentioned in this verse. Word is living water as described in John 4:10; 7:38; 1John 5:6; Jeremiah 2:13; Isaiah 55:1-3 to name a few.
If salvation came by actual immersion in water Jesus clearly could have simply stated, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is baptized by being immersed in water and born of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Further, if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
John's baptism was literal, but yet symbolic for cleansing after one repented of their sin. Notice in Mark 1:8 I have baptized you with (actual) water, but he (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. (Not water, but baptize you with the Holy Spirit after you have repented and made clean again through the washing of the word as you become a new creation in Christ.
Being Spiritually born/renewed from above means being born from the heavenly word of God, not dirty river water. When Jesus was baptized by John it was for the fulfillment of Messiah come as the Holy Spirit fell down on Him. Jesus had no need of being baptized in water for the remission of sin.
There is nothing wrong with being dunked in water as it is only an outward appearance of a Spiritual renewal within you.
Marriage
1 Corinthians 7:10, Jesus commands the woman not to leave her husband and if she does she should remain unmarried, but in Malachi 2:10-16 the treachery that man commits against a woman which leads him to have an affair outside of the marriage or abuses the wife whether it be physical or emotional gives place to what was said by Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 that if a woman is no longer pleasing to her husband then the husband should give his wife a written bill of divorcement and send her out of the house and this gives the woman the right to marry again, but she can never go back to her former husband if that marriage does not work out or her husband dies for now she is defiled to be with her first husband and this is an abomination to God.
For a good marriage to work one should study 2 Corinthians 6:14 be ye not unequally yoked together with non-believers for what fellowship hath righteous with unrighteous, and what communion has light with darkness. If you are a believer in Jesus Christ then you need to choose a mate that also believes in the faith of Christ. In some marriages people do not enter into a relationship with Christ being the center of it, but maybe one of them come to know the Lord and the other one refuses to have that personal relationship with Christ then we go back to what 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 says. If the unbelieving partner leaves the believing partner then this frees the believing partner from the bondage of the vows of marriage and they are free to marry again.
Hey All,
One time is all that is necessary for obedience to Scripture. But I know of no limit. I believe it would fall along the lines of couples getting remarried after twenty years of marriage. It does not change the first time, nor negate it. In fact, maybe that should be a thing for those who have strayed from the faith. Re-commit your life.
Re-baptize as a proof of that re-commitment.
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
One time is all that is necessary for obedience to Scripture. But I know of no limit. I believe it would fall along the lines of couples getting remarried after twenty years of marriage. It does not change the first time, nor negate it. In fact, maybe that should be a thing for those who have strayed from the faith. Re-commit your life.
Re-baptize as a proof of that re-commitment.
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
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2 Corinthians 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
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The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,
Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.
St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13 and cannot be repeated
Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16
Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.
St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13 and cannot be repeated
Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16
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There is the case of the thief on the cross who repented, the women who was to be stoned for adultery, the women at the well, death bed confessions and even those who are incapacitated that can not be immersed in water. Does this mean they are not saved or born again, no. It means that no dirty river water is going to save anyone, but that it is only a symbol of repentance like that of John the Baptist who called those to repent first. There is nothing wrong with being dunked in water, but know that it is only an outward appearance to others of what has already taken place Spiritually within you when you repented, accepted Jesus and was indwelled with the Holy Spirit.
What are the demands of his Baptism? That needs to be explained a little further.
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Baptism is the required initiation into the new covenant and not in effect till the death of the savior
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
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Not an outward appearance or public expression of faith found anywhere in scripture
Acts 8 only the eunuch and Philip no one else
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Effects of faith & baptism!
Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!
Faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16 eph 4:5
Faith alone even all faith avails NOTHING! 1 cor 13:2
Not called to “faith alone” Phil 1:29
Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!
Faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16 eph 4:5
Faith alone even all faith avails NOTHING! 1 cor 13:2
Not called to “faith alone” Phil 1:29
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“Baptismal regeneration” is the initiation into the new covenant!
Christian baptism is an outward sign of the inward action of grace, or merits of Christ’s passion blood and death applied to our souls!
We cannot see the inward action of grace purifying the soul, so God gave us the outward “sign” of water washing the body to indicate the inward action of grace and connected the two.
Christian baptism is an outward sign of the inward action of grace, or merits of Christ’s passion blood and death applied to our souls!
We cannot see the inward action of grace purifying the soul, so God gave us the outward “sign” of water washing the body to indicate the inward action of grace and connected the two.
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Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
1 pet 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
1 pet 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
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Baptism is not mentioned in John chapter three so why do so many believe we are to be dunked in dirty river water as the water can not bring about Gods salvation, but only by faith do we believe as it comes by Gods grace though the blood of the Lamb who has made final atonement for our sin, Ephesians 2:1-10; Romans 10:9-17.
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Jn 3:22 is in John 3
Immediately they went preaching fundamentalist tradition “accept Christ as your personal lord and savior”!!
Oh no it’s Jn 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
Hey All,
Mr. Adams, doesn't the Catholic Church allow for battlefield confessions?
A soldier gets wounded in battle.
He fears death and asks God for salvation.
His fear is realised, and he passes away.
But he passes away happy with the trust of God's Word comforting him.
Are you telling us that God won't take that man, and welcome him with open arms?
What about the teenage drug addict who, past the point of childhood grace, received Christ but was never baptized before he became an addict and dies of his addiction.
Are you saying his salvation meant nothing because of some water?
The Father, which represents God, welcomes the prodigal son in my Bible. I know the Catholic Bible is different than mine. Is the prodigal son passage different as well?
The Bible says be saved and baptized; always in that order. Baptism is always second. And we know why. Baptism, if required for salvation, would be a work. Salvation is of God. Baptism is of me It is my obedience after understanding what it means. It is not the second part of what saves me.
If I have to do something to be saved, then salvation is no longer by grace through faith.
If I have to do something to receive Jesus, then it is no longer whosoever will. And before you get all technical, changing a will is not a work. It is an acknowledgement of the truth that you did not see until God opened your eyes.
Having said all of that, after a person is saved, they should be baptized. A person should be taught about what baptism is, and why they are doing it. This way it has meaning.
Mr. Adams, what is baptism by desire, or is it baptism of desire?
My understanding is that is a provision of the Catholic Church and allows access to heaven to those not baptized.
Is this true?
And if so, how does it work?
And why does it not blanket all in the Catholic Church?
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
Mr. Adams, doesn't the Catholic Church allow for battlefield confessions?
A soldier gets wounded in battle.
He fears death and asks God for salvation.
His fear is realised, and he passes away.
But he passes away happy with the trust of God's Word comforting him.
Are you telling us that God won't take that man, and welcome him with open arms?
What about the teenage drug addict who, past the point of childhood grace, received Christ but was never baptized before he became an addict and dies of his addiction.
Are you saying his salvation meant nothing because of some water?
The Father, which represents God, welcomes the prodigal son in my Bible. I know the Catholic Bible is different than mine. Is the prodigal son passage different as well?
The Bible says be saved and baptized; always in that order. Baptism is always second. And we know why. Baptism, if required for salvation, would be a work. Salvation is of God. Baptism is of me It is my obedience after understanding what it means. It is not the second part of what saves me.
If I have to do something to be saved, then salvation is no longer by grace through faith.
If I have to do something to receive Jesus, then it is no longer whosoever will. And before you get all technical, changing a will is not a work. It is an acknowledgement of the truth that you did not see until God opened your eyes.
Having said all of that, after a person is saved, they should be baptized. A person should be taught about what baptism is, and why they are doing it. This way it has meaning.
Mr. Adams, what is baptism by desire, or is it baptism of desire?
My understanding is that is a provision of the Catholic Church and allows access to heaven to those not baptized.
Is this true?
And if so, how does it work?
And why does it not blanket all in the Catholic Church?
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
He can be baptized with water a hundred times, but until there is a real repentance from sin, they will all be useless endeavors.
It depends on the reason for the split.
If the spouse committed adultery, the other is free to leave the adulterer.
Paul writes..."And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife." (1 Cor 7:10-11)
So the answer to your question, based on those two verses, is zero.
However, Paul includes this thought in verse 15..."But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace."
This does leave the door open for a remarriage...if the reason for the split was the unbelief of the partner.
I think adultery is an indicator of unbelief.
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Go back and read my post #3.
The Apostle John wrote in John 3:22 that Jesus baptized in Judea, but in John 4:2 he corrected himself and said Jesus never water baptized anyone.
Not sure what you mean by fundamentalist tradition, but Jesus never went above that which God gave Him to speak, John 12:49-50.
Matthew 28:18-20 is about being the Disciples being sent out and to baptize in the baptism of Christ for receiving the Holy Spirit as in John 3:5-7.
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We must hear & obey both Christ and His apostolic church!
Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!
Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, (apostles) who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, (apostles) and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you
1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!
Church fathers
Sacred tradition commanded by Christ, go teach all men! Matt 28:19
Testimony of the early church in the successors of the apostles! Verified by acts 2:42
Acts 1:8 witnesses of Christ with the power of the Holy Spirit!
We must hear them! Matt 18:17
Baptism!
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