How much should a pastor make?

[Tony Hyman]

I think it's like any contract.If the job is advertised and a cirtain package is put out there,and agreed upon then thats it.
Its no different to anybody else.The Pastor must also deliver the goods as well and be accountable like any employee.
He also has kids at school an the usual budget hang-ups that we all have.Its pointless hiring a Harvard Phd Engineer if the business cant even afford to pay the water and lights.

 

[Classik]

Very well, I didn't know this. Please show me evidence of how many own these things then. Or show me what percentage of pastors worldwide own these things and paid for them from their salaries as a pastor. When you say "many of them" I'm expecting you to have some evidence available showing a pretty convincingly high number of them considering just how many pastors there are in the world.

Lewis posted some links. Check out those links

 

[angel page]

Very well, I didn't know this. Please show me evidence of how many own these things then. Or show me what percentage of pastors worldwide own these things and paid for them from their salaries as a pastor. When you say "many of them" I'm expecting you to have some evidence available showing a pretty convincingly high number of them considering just how many pastors there are in the world.

I think in fairness, since you demand such evidence as to support the claim that many pastors live in luxury, that you would be required to show evidence of your claim that many pastors are underpaid. As you stated in post 23.

 

[Deborah13]

I think in fairness, since you demand such evidence as to support the claim that many pastors live in luxury, that you would be required to show evidence of your claim that many pastors are underpaid. As you stated in post 23.

Anyone of us can look around in every community and see little churches where pastors live like their congregations and some have ever little income, that is common knowledge.

 

[Willie T]

Anyone of us can look around in every community and see little churches where pastors live like their congregations and some have ever little income, that is common knowledge.

You're so right. But many people want to find the two or three churches in a city where the pastors make some serious bucks, and totally ignore the hundreds (maybe more) churches where the preachers make about $30,000, or sometimes even less.

 

[angel page]

Anyone of us can look around in every community and see little churches where pastors live like their congregations and some have ever little income, that is common knowledge.

Yes, it is. So why should anyone have to show evidence of extravagant living exampled by mega preachers who contrast that little church pastor and their modest lifestyle in order to prove those type rich preachers exist just as well?

For goodness sake, there is a so called reality show, Preachers of LA, that example that exorbitant lifestyle as it is. And one of those so called men of God has just recently married his concubine upon whom he begat two bastards before he married her once she informed him she was carrying the second child he put upon her out of wedlock.

 

[Lewis]

Very well, I didn't know this. Please show me evidence of how many own these things then. Or show me what percentage of pastors worldwide own these things and paid for them from their salaries as a pastor. When you say "many of them" I'm expecting you to have some evidence available showing a pretty convincingly high number of them considering just how many pastors there are in the world.

I posted links in the early posts of this topic did you not see it ?

Top 10 richest pastors in the world
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2014/01/20/top-10-richest-pastors-in-the-world

List of the richest pastors worldwide
http://nehandaradio.com/2014/01/07/list-of-the-richest-pastors-worldwide/

Top 10 Richest Pastors In The World - Religion - Nairaland
http://www.nairaland.com/1342968/top-10-richest-pastors-world

Radio Station Compiles List of the 10 Wealthiest Pastors
http://blogs.christianpost.com/time...iles-list-of-the-10-wealthiest-pastors-19698/

Fleecing the Flock: A Snapshot of America’s Richest Pastors

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/paperb...k-a-snapshot-of-americas-richest-pastors.html


Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/paperb...f-americas-richest-pastors.html#ixzz3AqWqgbKW

 

[angel page]

Yes, I saw that too.
Then there's this from 2010. Though it didn't go far it did look promising:
6 Outrageously Wealthy Preachers Under Federal Investigation

I posted links in the early posts of this topic did you not see it ?

Top 10 richest pastors in the world
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2014/01/20/top-10-richest-pastors-in-the-world

List of the richest pastors worldwide
http://nehandaradio.com/2014/01/07/list-of-the-richest-pastors-worldwide/

Top 10 Richest Pastors In The World - Religion - Nairaland
http://www.nairaland.com/1342968/top-10-richest-pastors-world

Radio Station Compiles List of the 10 Wealthiest Pastors
http://blogs.christianpost.com/time...iles-list-of-the-10-wealthiest-pastors-19698/

Fleecing the Flock: A Snapshot of America’s Richest Pastors

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/paperb...k-a-snapshot-of-americas-richest-pastors.html


Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/paperb...f-americas-richest-pastors.html#ixzz3AqWqgbKW

 

[WIP]

One thought that concerns me is as I read through this thread the number of times a pastor's calling is referred to as a job. In my opinion I would hope a person doesn't enter the ministry to make money or support a family, which is what a job is for.

When a pastor begins demanding a certain pay scale, he/she is in the wrong lifestyle.

 

[angel page]

I think Creflow Dollar sees it as a job. In that video clip he says to his congregation that when he gets to heaven he isn't planning on being poor there!

I think a pastor who drives to his church in a Bentley, or a Rolls, or a Ferrari, while in the parking lot his congregants are in lesser vehicles, and some are held together with a wing and a prayer, isn't exampling the appearance of Christ like. Jesus was God. And yet he walked everywhere he went and he said: Jesus replied, "Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head." (Luke 9:58)

Creflow, can't say the same:

 

[Deborah13]

Very well, I didn't know this. Please show me evidence of how many own these things then. Or show me what percentage of pastors worldwide own these things and paid for them from their salaries as a pastor. When you say "many of them" I'm expecting you to have some evidence available showing a pretty convincingly high number of them considering just how many pastors there are in the world.

There another interesting thing about that statement, "paid for them from their salaries". There are times when pastors, evangelists, etc. are given expensive gifts by others and sometimes members in a church are given gifts by other members. I have seen this myself where someone's car went belly up and another member gifted them with a really nice car.
I remember 30 years ago an evangelist thanking the Lord for the generosity of another Christian. That Christian knew he worked hard and loved to bass fish, they gifted him with a very nice bass boat, one that he couldn't have afforded to buy for himself.

 

[Deborah13]

Yes, it is. So why should anyone have to show evidence of extravagant living exampled by mega preachers who contrast that little church pastor and their modest lifestyle in order to prove those type rich preachers exist just as well?

For goodness sake, there is a so called reality show, Preachers of LA, that example that exorbitant lifestyle as it is. And one of those so called men of God has just recently married his concubine upon whom he begat two bastards before he married her once she informed him she was carrying the second child he put upon her out of wedlock.

The question was not that they exist but about "how many", the "percentage" of them among all churches.

 

[angel page]

And the proper retort is why does it matter so as to be a credible fact?

Besides noting that asking that question over and over demonstrates those who ask over and over have never availed themselves of the links provided so as to give an answer. As in, clearly by those links, there are enough to warrant concern. Especially when those listed in the links are just those one's who want to flaunt themselves to the public.

 

[reba]

I think in fairness, since you demand such evidence as to support the claim that many pastors live in luxury, that you would be required to show evidence of your claim that many pastors are underpaid. As you stated in post 23.

I am not Obadiah but i can answer this...

from about 1985-91 Dad's salary was 100 a week if the church had the funds... they also had a parsonage ... there was no 'catch up' payments
back in the 50s there was no salary... Many small churches dotted around the country have little or no income fora pastor....

Most often in the discussion of a pastors wages up jumps the idea a pastor should not even be paid... I believe a pastor should be paid if possible by the church he pastors... Dad had to divide his time between a paying job and being the pastor.. Pastors get midnight phone calls etc... yet have to be ready to give an employer the employers proper due?

Most the other pastors mom and dad know were in the same boat.... not all are rich scammers not all are broke...

 

[Willie T]

Our preacher makes right at $40,000, pays for his own house and car, and is putting two kids through school. His wife works.

BTW, that comes out to the whopping sum of less than 44 cents a day from each member of the congregation of 250.

 

[Lewis]

Why Do Churches Pay Pastors a Salary?
What Does the Bible Say about Paying Your Pastor?
http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/f/pastorsalary.htm

 

[WIP]

For me the question is not about how much a pastor is paid but how much a pastor demands to be paid. Jesus sent out His disciples and told them to take virtually nothing with them save for the clothes on their backs. Matthew 10:8-9, also Luke 10:4-7.

As I read the verses I also get the impression that they were okay to accept whatever payment offered and they were not to be afraid to earn it by the sweat of their brow. Matthew 10:10.

 

[Kathi]

 

[Lewis]

For me the question is not about how much a pastor is paid but how much a pastor demands to be paid. Jesus sent out His disciples and told them to take virtually nothing with them save for the clothes on their backs. Matthew 10:8-9, also Luke 10:4-7.

As I read the verses I also get the impression that they were okay to accept whatever payment offered and they were not to be afraid to earn it by the sweat of their brow. Matthew 10:10.

The workman is worthy of his hire. I have heard that Scripture for years, so tell me' are they ?