How to KNOW You're Eternally Saved

[tzalam2]

The Role of the Holy Spirit in the
Born again Christian’s life
Fact: Hebrews 10:15
Faith: Romans 8:16
Feeling: 1 John 5:10

1 John 5:10:10: He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

37: All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

15: Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: …..

5: And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

24: And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

10: He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.


The Holy Spirit witnesses to us that the scripture is FACT (the RECORD THAT GOD GAVE US)-God’s Holy Spirit bears witness that the bible is TRUE. The Holy Spirit witnesses in us that it is fact. God says to you, after you’re saved, that He has given you a document that is totally dependable.
The Holy Spirit bears witness with your faith.
The Holy Spirit bears witness and comes to dwell in your heart, and the Holy Spirit says to you-you belong to Me. Sometimes this feeling happens when reading Scripture, or, when hearing a Christian song, the Holy
Spirit says Child, you belong to Me.
The lost person does good occasionally, and sins habitually, and is not convicted of sin, nor does he/she feel bad about sinning.
The saved person does good habitually, and sins occasionally, and is convicted of their sins, and feels bad about sinning, and repents of their sins.
If you’ve been saved, there’s a change in your nature. You might occasionally sin, but it isn’t a habit.

 

[gingercat]

Why so many christians want to talk about the security of eternal life? If we follow Jesus faithfully we don't have to worry about it whatsoever. The rest is up Him to decide whether we are true to Him or not. Do you want to brag about you are saved? Jesus wants us to be humble followers. If we sound like arrogant by saying we are saved, how can we be His good witnesses. When people know how godly we are they will be open to listen to what we have to say about Jesus.

Problem is that people don't feel secure about their walk with the Lord. That's the manin reasen why they want to make sure they are saved no matter what. If you feel so unsecure you have to make sure you are following Him faithfully.

 

[yesha]

Why so many christians want to talk about the security of eternal life?

It's an important subject, don't you think?

If we follow Jesus faithfully we don't have to worry about it whatsoever. The rest is up Him to decide whether we are true to Him or not.

I agree, but there is a problem here. What is someone thinks they are following Jesus faithfully, but in anothers view they are not. For example people who keep the sabbath and those that don't. If salvation is dependant upon how well we walk with Jesus, and how obediant we are to him, then were is the line of how well this must be dont to be saved. Unless someone has reached perfection, they are lacking in some area. Is this lacking enough to not be saved? What is the differenece between this little lacking, and the lot of lacking from someone who doesn't do as well.

Do you want to brag about you are saved?

This is backward. This is the only thing you can boast about. Because we are not boasting about something we did. The glory of the boast is to God.

1 Cor 1:31
31 Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
(NIV)

However what the scriptures do say is this:

Eph 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
(NIV)

And it is scriptures like this that cause the controversy. If you are saved because you are so good at following Jesus. Or as you put it, "If we follow Jesus faithfully we don't have to worry about it whatsoever." People can boast because they are saved because they followed Jesus so well, even though it is not them, but Christ in them. So if your not saved by how well you follow Jesus, then what signifigance does how well you follow Jesus have?
e open to listen to what we have to say about Jesus.

Problem is that people don't feel secure about their walk with the Lord. That's the manin reasen why they want to make sure they are saved no matter what. If you feel so unsecure you have to make sure you are following Him faithfully.

Feeling secure because of your obediance can be misleading. Security should ultimately come from Christ's blood, not from our own self rightousness. It also may be that those who feel insecure are in a better position, because they see their need to repent. Consider:

Luke 18:11-14
11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men-- robbers, evildoers, adulterers-- or even like this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
(NIV)

 

[gingercat]

Why so many christians want to talk about the security of eternal life?

It's an important subject, don't you think?

[quote:84c99]
If we follow Jesus faithfully we don't have to worry about it whatsoever. The rest is up Him to decide whether we are true to Him or not.

I agree, but there is a problem here. What is someone thinks they are following Jesus faithfully, but in anothers view they are not. For example people who keep the sabbath and those that don't. If salvation is dependant upon how well we walk with Jesus, and how obediant we are to him, then were is the line of how well this must be dont to be saved. Unless someone has reached perfection, they are lacking in some area. Is this lacking enough to not be saved? What is the differenece between this little lacking, and the lot of lacking from someone who doesn't do as well.

Do you want to brag about you are saved?

This is backward. This is the only thing you can boast about. Because we are not boasting about something we did. The glory of the boast is to God.

1 Cor 1:31
31 Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
(NIV)

However what the scriptures do say is this:

Eph 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
(NIV)

And it is scriptures like this that cause the controversy. If you are saved because you are so good at following Jesus. Or as you put it, "If we follow Jesus faithfully we don't have to worry about it whatsoever." People can boast because they are saved because they followed Jesus so well, even though it is not them, but Christ in them. So if your not saved by how well you follow Jesus, then what signifigance does how well you follow Jesus have?
e open to listen to what we have to say about Jesus.

Problem is that people don't feel secure about their walk with the Lord. That's the manin reasen why they want to make sure they are saved no matter what. If you feel so unsecure you have to make sure you are following Him faithfully.

Feeling secure because of your obediance can be misleading. Security should ultimately come from Christ's blood, not from our own self rightousness. It also may be that those who feel insecure are in a better position, because they see their need to repent. Consider:

Luke 18:11-14
11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men-- robbers, evildoers, adulterers-- or even like this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
(NIV)[/quote:84c99]

The way things are going with the church situations most of us are deceiving ourselves and others. You have to make sure you are not contributing it. Most os us are contrituting to disgracing His name. Aren't you?

 

[Solo]

Why so many christians want to talk about the security of eternal life? If we follow Jesus faithfully we don't have to worry about it whatsoever. The rest is up Him to decide whether we are true to Him or not. Do you want to brag about you are saved? Jesus wants us to be humble followers. If we sound like arrogant by saying we are saved, how can we be His good witnesses. When people know how godly we are they will be open to listen to what we have to say about Jesus.

Problem is that people don't feel secure about their walk with the Lord. That's the manin reasen why they want to make sure they are saved no matter what. If you feel so unsecure you have to make sure you are following Him faithfully.

You sound just like joyinhim. Perhaps you should tell the Administrators that you have two usernames, gingercat and joyinhim. Also, do not bring disharmony and division to this forum, but follow the Terms of Service at http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9219

 

[gingercat]

Why so many christians want to talk about the security of eternal life? If we follow Jesus faithfully we don't have to worry about it whatsoever. The rest is up Him to decide whether we are true to Him or not. Do you want to brag about you are saved? Jesus wants us to be humble followers. If we sound like arrogant by saying we are saved, how can we be His good witnesses. When people know how godly we are they will be open to listen to what we have to say about Jesus.

Problem is that people don't feel secure about their walk with the Lord. That's the manin reasen why they want to make sure they are saved no matter what. If you feel so unsecure you have to make sure you are following Him faithfully.

You sound just like joyinhim. Perhaps you should tell the Administrators that you have two usernames, gingercat and joyinhim. Also, do not bring disharmony and division to this forum, but follow the Terms of Service at http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9219

Why dont you talk to to him? How am I bring discordant in this forum? Just because I am voicing aginst clear disobedience of our faith?

Solo, do you respect Jesus as Lord and Savior?
The Bible tells us to have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness. Do you examine your church to see if they are fruitful for Him? I am very sure most people would say their church is fruitful. Then why do we have so many different denominations that never get along? God is one and truth is one. We should not have so many differences in our denominations. You are talking about disharmony:

we are already in disharmony. Why are you accusing me of causing disharmony?

Solo, Did I say something against His teachings? Dont I have the responsibility to defend His teaching too? Just because you don't agree with me you are going to give me warning?

I will not be here too long. I just have to spread my convictions for the Lord. It will take only a few weeks. Then I will be out of your way. I hope you let me say my convictions.

 

[tzalam2]

Do you want to brag about you are saved? If we sound like arrogant by saying we are saved, how can we be His good witnesses. .

I don't see how you got bragging and arrogance out of my post.
How did you misconstrue my post in that way, gingercat?

 

[tzalam2]

you have to make sure you are following Him faithfully.

What guidelines do you use, for yourself, Gingercat, to make sure you're following Him faithfully?
How often do you sin, and feel convicted of your sin?
How often do you abstain from every form of evil?
How do you define evil?

 

[tzalam2]

I posted this, because there's a LOT of lying going on in the churches today, about how a person knows they're saved.
I have heard it all, from a priest saying the bible is a book of suggestions, to a preacher saying every version of the bible on the market today is
good for something.
Confusion abounds, and this destroys the simplicity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Confusion is of the devil.

 

[gingercat]

Do you want to brag about you are saved? If we sound like arrogant by saying we are saved, how can we be His good witnesses. .

I don't see how you got bragging and arrogance out of my post.
How did you misconstrue my post in that way, gingercat?

I was not aiming that commet particularly at you, I am sorry. It is just that far too many want to be secure without being obedient to Him. And I repeat the same comments as I did before.

 

[tzalam2]

[quote="gingercat Then why do we have so many different denominations that never get along? [/quote]

There are vast differences in denominations, because sinful man has created different denominations in order that he might sin with ease.
Man has distorted the Gospel of Jesus Christ for decades, and lately, the distortions have gotten worse, and MORE people, due to their lack of
studying the Scriptures, have been seduced by these doctrines of demons, and by the p.c. perversions of the bibles being hawked to everyone.

 

[tzalam2]

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9219[/url]

Disharmony doesn't exist in the true body of Christ.

 

[tzalam2]

[It's an important subject, don't you think?

Yes, it is.

If salvation is dependant upon how well we walk with Jesus,

It isn't. We will naturally be attracted to doing good works, after we're saved.
Eph 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
(NIV)

I agree, and again, this post has NOTHING to do with boasting!
I'm really surprised at the viewpoints of some who have responded.


Feeling secure because of your obediance can be misleading. Security should ultimately come from Christ's blood, not from our own self rightousness. It also may be that those who feel insecure are in a better position, because they see their need to repent.

Yes, we probably ALL need to repent every day, of some sin.
Even a thought sin. God can read our minds, and if we have ONE thought that is contrary to His holiness, we should confess that, and repent of it.
Now, security of salvation comes from the fact that God says you can KNOW you're saved, by reading certain scripture verses, and by coming to Him through His Only Son, Jesus Christ.
By accepting the free gift of Jesus Christ as the payment for all your sins, past, present, and future, you will be on the road to salvation. You also must confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead.
Many people think they're saved, because of a 'feeling' they had, or some emotional experience they had. That might not have been the true, New Birth.
Are you a new creature in Christ? Are you dead to sin, and alive to Jesus?
What is your reaction to the Bible?
The other point of this post was to assure some, of that knowledge a born again Christian gets, when they KNOW, during prayer or bible reading, because of the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, they KNOW they're saved.
It's impossible to describe to a lost person.

And, the Holy Spirit within a believer is the seal, and stays in the person, and teaches them all things, comforts them, and convicts them when they sin against God.

 

[tzalam2]

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:

this verse, when studied properly, in the Greek form, means, whosoever abideth in him does not sin HABITUALLY.

 

[gingercat]

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9219[/url]

Disharmony doesn't exist in the true body of Christ.

Thank you tzalam. That is so true. If we are so insecure about ourselves anyone or anything can cause disharmony.

 

[tzalam2]

True believers have no discord with each other, because the Holy Spirit dwells within each believer.
There is no disharmony among believers yielded to the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit witnesses to us that the scripture is FACT (the RECORD THAT GOD GAVE US)-God’s Holy Spirit bears witness that the bible is TRUE. The Holy Spirit witnesses in us that it is fact. God says to you, after you’re saved, that He has given you a document that is totally dependable.


This is why I am so aghast at the millions of people who are fine with the distorted texts being sold to church members.
ALL bible versions are NOT ok.
All paths do NOT lead to salvation.
Jesus said: Many are called, few are chosen.

The closer it gets to Jesus's return, the more easy it will be to separate the wheat from the tares.

 

[gingercat]

you have to make sure you are following Him faithfully.

What guidelines do you use, for yourself, Gingercat, to make sure you're following Him faithfully?
How often do you sin, and feel convicted of your sin?
How often do you abstain from every form of evil?
How do you define evil?

tzalam, I read the Bible everyday and strive to follow all of His teaching in the NT.

This is the basic of our daily devotion. Without knowing what He is teaching we cannot follow Him.

Because we are not willing to be obedient to His teachings we are creating all kinds of confusion and disasters in our Christian communities.

Most of us are seeking loop-holes. We are reading the Bible to see which ones are easy to follow.

What is sin and and what is not are all in the Bible and if we are true to Him it should not be so hard to discern.

 

[BradtheImpaler]

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:

this verse, when studied properly, in the Greek form, means, whosoever abideth in him does not sin HABITUALLY.

How often is "habitually"? Once every hour, once every day, once every week?

 

[Windozer]

The way things are going with the church situations most of us are deceiving ourselves and others. You have to make sure you are not contributing it.

Do you provide a barf bucket along with that statement. If you find a church that does not contribute to it don't go there. You as I would only ruin it.

I read the Bible everyday and strive to follow all of His teaching in the NT.

The teachings in the NT. along with the rest of the bible are there to lead you to the point where you will follow Jesus. From that point on he wants to be your teacher, leader, and Lord. He wants a personal relationship with you.

He wants to personally direct your life. Which more than likely will be in a some different direction than mine.

 

[gingercat]

The way things are going with the church situations most of us are deceiving ourselves and others. You have to make sure you are not contributing it.

Do you provide a barf bucket along with that statement. If you find a church that does not contribute to it don't go there. You as I would only ruin it.

I read the Bible everyday and strive to follow all of His teaching in the NT.

The teachings in the NT. along with the rest of the bible are there to lead you to the point where you will follow Jesus. From that point on he wants to be your teacher, leader, and Lord. He wants a personal relationship with you.

He wants to personally direct your life. Which more than likely will be in a some different direction than mine.

We can not have peosonal relationshimp with Him if we don't know Him. How do we get to Know Him?. Only thrugh the Bible. We will see what He is talking about in our actual life.

We can not have a good relationship with Him if we are not being true to Him or have total commitment to Him.

If we are obedient to Him we should be able to communicat with each other without too much difference in our opinions. The Bible tells us to gather together with like minded people. If the churches are not aiming to be obedient to Him there is not going to have any harmony or much of accomplishment for Him.