How we could sin against the Holy Spirit

[Classik]

I agree with you that it is rejection of Christ, Kathi said the same.
I don't think one can sin against the Holy Spirit and not be sinning against the Father and Son as well. They are three but One.

Ananias and Sapphira! Peter mentioned the 'Holy Spirit' in both cases. Acts 5: 3,9

 

[Classik]

What scripture did he give you?

will get back to him on email

 

[Deborah13]

If this is it actually, would it be right to conclude that all Jews are guilty here (and except our beloved Jason here and some others who have believed?). ....And they will not be forgiven? And when they turn to Christ?

Other Jews who have accepted Christ as their Messiah are always witnessing and debating the Jewish rabbis. They don't believe that the Jews who don't believe is Jesus will be saved.
The ONLY redemption is by grace through faith in the Messiah. Paul said it over andR over.

Messianic Rabbi Dr Michael Brown Debates Orthodox Rabbi David Blumofe

 

[Deborah13]

Ananias and Sapphira! Peter mentioned the 'Holy Spirit' in both cases. Acts 5: 3,9

So? I didn't say one could not sin against the HS.
What does that scripture say.....
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Three persons One God. If you sin against one I believe it is a sin against all.

 

[Kathi]

If this is it actually, would it be right to conclude that all Jews are guilty here (and except our beloved Jason here and some others who have believed?). ....And they will not be forgiven? And when they turn to Christ?

All Jews who do not believe in Jesus Christ will not be saved.Their are a group of Jews who do believe in Jesus Christ.I believe they are called "Jews for Christ".I think they are called Messianic Jews.

 

[KevinK]

What does that mean?

Put an umlaut over the "u" and it should be translatable.

 

[follower]

If this is it actually, would it be right to conclude that all Jews are guilty here (and except our beloved Jason here and some others who have believed?). ....And they will not be forgiven? And when they turn to Christ?

???
all Jews and gentiles are guilty to start.
some turn to Yeshua and do what He says to be saved from their sins. some don't.
Acts 2:38 (CJB) | In Context | Whole Chapter
38 Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!

 

[Sparkey]

Speaking a word against the "Son of Man" (emphasis on humanity) is NOT blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

I don't think that what the Jews who suggested that Jesus was casting out demons by power that he got from Hell itself was all that Jesus was talking about when he spoke that particular word of truth. Because to call the Christ a "prophet of God" is an understatement. But that does not mean that Jesus did not speak prophetically. Indeed He did. Part of what we read about in the Scripture regarding the unpardonable sin includes a prophetic utterance. Jesus was speaking about something yet to come. Something that would have the smell of what the Jews of His day were doing but something that could NOT be counted as blasphemy against the Son of Man.

It's possible that our Lord looked upon the Children of Israel with such grace so as to gently admonish them against continuing down that path for there lies nothing but ruin. Jesus knew they were talking of Him and that they really didn't like the things that He was saying. And He knew they went too far when they suggested that he had an unclean spirit.

I'm thinking that Jesus wasn't delivering a scathing rebuke but instead was warning them off from something. When the source of evil-speaking against Christ is ignorance, misconception, or ill-informed prejudice, then that blasphemy is as pardonable as any sin. They could later repent of their careless neglect of His work or their mistaken opposition to it, and when they did repent, they were forgiven. Perhaps some of the very men who said such things were also present on the day of Pentecost later. Maybe they were part of the 3,000 that were added to the kingdom as they listened to Peter preach with their hearts burning inside of them. I'm unsure. The Bible is silent on that and I guess what I'm trying to say is that I am not their judge but I can indeed conceive of circumstances where they too could be saved. That's up to Jesus and not me. It's perfectly acceptable for me to say, "Duh, I dunno," when in fact I really do not know.

Also, there will come a time when men will revile Christians even more so than they do today. We are told of a time of tribulation where such things that have never happened before, nor shall happen again, occur. We are even given specific instructions about such things. For instance, there will come a time (and now is) where loved ones will betray those who believe. Jesus told us about this in advance so that when it happens we will not be discouraged. Those who search the Scripture daily and go before the Lord in inquiry, who partake of the Gift of the Holy Spirit (our Teacher) shall not be taken by surprise. One of the reasons that we are given so much information regarding the wrap-up of the age is so that our enemy can not prevail. Yet there will come a time where even the elect (should such a thing be possible) were deceived. Part of that deception is the calling of GOOD to be evil and the calling of EVIL to be good.

There are other prophecies that have been spoken so that when they are seen by His followers the end result will be an increase in belief and trust, for in truth, they were spoken of thousands of years prior. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the sin that shall never be pardoned, is one of those foretold from ages past. I don't think we fully understand what is meant because we've not yet come to the ultimate culmination of the age.

 

[Edward]

Wenn Sie Mussen

Ja, aber wir können immer noch hören

 

[Edward]

I'd prefer you do in Spanish...or Esperanto

Ni povas aŭdi en tiu lingvo ankaŭ

 

[Kathi]

Ni povas aŭdi en tiu lingvo ankaŭ

Si Amigo.....

 

[Edward]

nic nie może być ukryte w języku, w dzisiejszym świecie

 

[Kathi]

nic nie może być ukryte w języku, w dzisiejszym świecie

What language it that?

 

[Eugene]

What language it that?

Polish = nothing can be hidden in the language in today's world.

Google Translate
https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/nic nie może być ukryte w języku, w dzisiejszym świecie

 

[Edward]

Polish = nothing can be hidden in the language in today's world.

Google Translate
https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/nic nie może być ukryte w języku, w dzisiejszym świecie

Sure is.

Google translate has a detect language feature Kathi. ;)

 

[Kathi]

Sure is.

Google translate has a detect language feature Kathi. ;)

That is cool

 

[follower]

...
It's possible that our Lord looked upon the Children of Israel with such grace so as to gently admonish them against continuing down that path for there lies nothing but ruin. Jesus knew they were talking of Him and that they really didn't like the things that He was saying. And He knew they went too far when they suggested that he had an unclean spirit.

I'm thinking that Jesus wasn't delivering a scathing rebuke but instead was warning them off from something. When the source of evil-speaking against Christ is ignorance, misconception, or ill-informed prejudice, then that blasphemy is as pardonable as any sin.

Yeshua did gentle admonish some. Specifically the poor, broken, weak and sick. The so-called leaders He not only delivered a scathing rebuke, but condemned them. He did not give them any excuse, nor anyone else, for committing the sin He told them directly they were judged for.
Others who had not yet committed an unpardonable, or even near as severe a sin, may have been given opportunity to repent of it. Yeshua spoke clearly and boldly and plainly at times, and didn't pull any punches when speaking against the anti-Christs in front of Him (He called them sons of satan, etc) . . .

Religious leaders today do the same thing now as they did then. They will not escape judgment according to Scripture. the righteous do not retaliate nor resist evil leaders, even when the righteous are being jailed and put to death(as is happening and has been happening for over a century) . Just like the untied states government almost never admits mistakes/ that it did wrong in the past/ to make things right, so too is the religious leaders and government authorities in every field.

Otherwise, when and as the beast takes control, (the one world government), it would meet resistance; but in Scripture it is written that the whole world woships it.

 

[Eugene]

Yeshua did gentle admonish some.
Others who had not yet committed an unpardonable, or even near as severe a sin, may have been given opportunity to repent of it.

Would you consider a sin unto death an unpardonable sin?

 

[follower]

Would you consider a sin unto death an unpardonable sin?

Not necessarily. A lot of (in-name) Christians are sinning a sin that leads to death, but if that means just physical death or spiritual death I don't know, and maybe we aren't told here and now .....
but the Judge tells them each on judgment day.- either "welcome, into the kingdom...." or "begone from Me, I never knew you" ....
There are some or a lot of warnings in Scripture, and they are as important as Yhwh's Word is about His Promises and Freedom.
the cheap grace proponents who claim all the promises as if they have them, and ignore the warnings, are in potentially serious danger.

 

[Eugene]

Not necessarily. A lot of (in-name) Christians are sinning a sin that leads to death, but if that means just physical death or spiritual death I don't know, and maybe we aren't told here and now .....
but the Judge tells them each on judgment day.- either "welcome, into the kingdom...." or "begone from Me, I never knew you" ....
There are some or a lot of warnings in Scripture, and they are as important as Yhwh's Word is about His Promises and Freedom.
the cheap grace proponents who claim all the promises as if they have them, and ignore the warnings, are in potentially serious danger.

And so I assume you are aware Moses and Aaron both committed the sin unto death, and yet I believe them to be in heaven today in spirit. Any not receiving Christ as their Savior need not wait until Judgment Day to know they have made a mistake.

I do not know for sure what you're saying as to defining Great Grace provided to us by Jesus' sacrifice as cheap grace.