Doulos Iesou
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This thread is for creationists to propose their summation of the Theory of Evolution, and these responses will be open to correction and clarification.
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Nice try, but I have no expectation of a meaningful dialogue.This thread is for creationists to propose their summation of the Theory of Evolution, and these responses will be open to correction and clarification.
This thread is for creationists to propose their summation of the Theory of Evolution, and these responses will be open to correction and clarification.
This thread is for creationists to propose their summation of the Theory of Evolution, and these responses will be open to correction and clarification.
As expected no dialogue, but one "go see this creationist video." Pretty much like trying to learn about capitalism by watching "re-education" films from North Korea.
If you don't understand the video well enough to present the ideas here, what makes you think it's right? The thread nicely shows that people who don't like science, don't know much about it.
I'm watching the video and noticed that Dr Bergmen's degrees aren't actually mentioned, but we are assured that his degrees are relevant. I looked him up and found that his studies are actually centered around psychology, medicine, and human physiology. This means that Dr. Bergmen is a medical doctor. His interests involve fossils, but they are by no means his expertese..........................................................................................................
The video picks up after a minute or so. Check it out.
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Where is this going on? I don't see any of that in here.Oh I don't know. A Hollywood star says something about a topic he/she holds no profession credentials for and it's believed as absolute truth.
I don't think anyone is assuming what you are saying will be wrong, but if its a field you aren't specialized in, its understandable if you don't know everything and might hold concepts that are not completely correct. Maybe this thread was started as a learning experience. I can understand a desire to create such a thread, considering we are in the science section and maybe people want to talk and discuss science here.Anyway,
If I'm told what I say will be "open to correction and clarification." there's little to no motivation to say anything. Right off it's assumed what I'll say is wrong. So why say it?
Anyway,
If I'm told what I say will be "open to correction and clarification." there's little to no motivation to say anything. Right off it's assumed what I'll say is wrong. So why say it?
Common sense is just anecdotal experience and accepted general knowledge, but in itself isn't fully reliable. A lot of stuff called common sense is based on factoids that are generally accepted. However general acceptance can be wrong if it can be demonstrated to be so. Which is usually done by people who specialize in specific fields. So it wouldn't be common knowledge/sense.Common sense doesn't require a degree.
The problem is that science is not common sense. The problem is that Biology by itself is a very vast field of study. It takes years to fully understand it. The basic concept of the theory of evolution is that organisms adapt and change to their surrounding. However to fully explain it I would have to write a book to clear up just the basics.For instance, in the chart below, anyone can see that in order to step up in the evolutionary chain, a transformation must take place. Not just one or two physical changes, but thousands. A monkey didn't just wake up one day and he was something different. No, evolution is a slow gradual change over thousands of years. Billions of fossils have been unearthed and not one transitional link is among them.
Where's the transitional evidence?
I agree. Quantum theory defies common sense. General relatively defies common sense. Yet both are massively supported by the evidence.Common sense is just anecdotal experience and accepted general knowledge, but in itself isn't fully reliable....
Where is this going on? I don't see any of that in here.
I don't think anyone is assuming what you are saying will be wrong, but if its a field you aren't specialized in, its understandable if you don't know everything and might hold concepts that are not completely correct. Maybe this thread was started as a learning experience. I can understand a desire to create such a thread, considering we are in the science section and maybe people want to talk and discuss science here.
So, you are interested but don't want to discuss it? So you belittle us who try? Why? If that isn't the case, then what exactly are you trying to get out of this?I've been here a very long time as this site goes, read multitudes of posts from both sides.
I used to be a staunch evolutionist. A Theistic Evolutionist, a TE when I finally surrendered to Christ. For several years afterward I too argued heatedly against the preposterous idea of creationism. I loved science, still do. Had 5 sciences in my senior year of HS that I did very well in because of that interest. And I'm still as interested as ever.
As the years went by I abandoned theistic evolution and became a creationist. That didn't happen overnight. Then I found this site in 2004 I think and been here ever since.
I'm growing into a person who is ceasing to care how I come across because people will take whatever I say however they want. I can't control that. I do my best to be empathetic, but if its just going to get scoffed at, then I'll speak my mind. Considering I've had plenty of people outright try to offend others here, I really don't put to much effort into being a back patter."but if its a field you aren't specialized in, its understandable if you don't know everything and might hold concepts that are not completely correct."
You have no idea how that comes across.
So do you actually want to share any of this, or just scoff to yourself for your own sake and arogance?But getting through the first impressions of that statement I can say my time here has afforded me the opportunity of being exposed to more experts specializing in their field, reading their conclusions, their opinions and their beliefs more than a large part of the populace. And I'm still a Creationist believing and teaching those claimed "concepts that are not completely correct."
Common sense is just anecdotal experience and accepted general knowledge, but in itself isn't fully reliable. A lot of stuff called common sense is based on factoids that are generally accepted. However general acceptance can be wrong if it can be demonstrated to be so. Which is usually done by people who specialize in specific fields. So it wouldn't be common knowledge/sense.
The problem is that science is not common sense. The problem is that Biology by itself is a very vast field of study. It takes years to fully understand it. The basic concept of the theory of evolution is that organisms adapt and change to their surrounding. However to fully explain it I would have to write a book to clear up just the basics.
The theory of evolution covers fields such as taxonomy, ecology, population mechanics, genetics, Medicine, etc. The reason why its accepted by the grand majority of biologists is because it correlates these fields. Basicly, it fits.
Now, I can understand when someone looks at the chart you are providing and asks where are the transitions? I can start by naming a few groups, naming doctors, naming scientist, naming papers, naming organisms, etc. The reason why I would do this is because there is no simple answer, a lot of it takes a lot of study to understand. I spent years studying art, biology, psychology, and computers. I can talk basics about these fields because I spent a lot of time learning, yet I'm only specialized in a few fields that I can specifically talk about so I will link you to those who know more.
Its very labor intensive to understand this stuff.
I agree. Quantum theory defies common sense. General relatively defies common sense. Yet both are massively supported by the evidence.
And evolutionary theory defies common sense as well, at least in certain respects. One such respect is that of the long time scales involved that are nigh unto impossible to grasp.
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I have heard this by a few, that is flat out wrong. a pump generates pressure it cant align linkage that is bent, broken or missing.if there is play in the front end the power steering pump will take up the slack