Humanity "in Adam" after the fall."In Christ" after faith

[childeye]

=Grubal Muruch;590719]Actually, I'm sorry but I don't read 90% or so what you write, because I can gather from the other 10% pretty much where your coming

from...It would be a "futile" attempt to counter your position, you would only resort with "argumentation" and denial...

Grubal. Respectively, if that's possible, aren't you saying you apply love others as you would want to be loved 10%, and apply Love others as you wouldn't want to be loved 90% regarding smallers posts? For I don't believe you hope people just read 10% of what you write and dismiss the other 90% of it, especially because they simply don't want to consider the validity of it... Confess your sin and come clean.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

Grubal. Respectively, if that's possible, aren't you saying you apply love others as you would want to be loved 10%, and apply Love others as you wouldn't want to be loved 90% regarding smallers posts? For I don't believe you hope people just read 10% of what you write and dismiss the other 90% of it, especially because they simply don't want to consider the validity of it... Confess your sin and come clean.

Everyone "chooses" what they feel is "unacceptable doctrine" So I can't be guaranteed everybody will read all I write either...My "choice" to read or not is up to me...Everybody has that same "free-choice." Love plays no part in this, it's just a choice...There's nothing to confess here...

 

[childeye]

Everyone "chooses" what they feel is "unacceptable doctrine" So I can't be guaranteed everybody will read all I write either...My "choice" to read or not is up to me...Everybody has that same "free-choice." Love plays no part in this, it's just a choice...There's nothing to confess here...

But Love or lack thereof influences all moral choices, does it not?

 

[Grubal Muruch]

But Love or lack thereof influences all moral choices, does it not?

I grew up in a time when long haired people ran around espousing "love and peace, man" But, they really didn't know the real meaning of what they were talking about. And I'm not so sure you do either my friend???

 

[childeye]

I grew up in a time when long haired people ran around espousing "love and peace, man" But, they really didn't know the real meaning of what they were talking about. And I'm not so sure you do either my friend???

I believe Love is when you care about others even more than yourself. But you ignored my question. So with this understanding of what Love is that I have provided I again ask, does not Love and the absence of Love influence all moral decisions?

 

[Grubal Muruch]

I believe Love is when you care about others even more than yourself. But you ignored my question. So with this understanding of what Love is that I have provided I again ask, does not Love and the absence of Love influence all moral decisions?

The absence of the Holy Spirit influences moral decisions...The word "love" is "subjective for the most part...

 

[glorydaz]

What happened to Adam happens to us all just as Jesus taught. The Word is sown in us, the tempter enters to deceive, to steal and eventually to kill. That is the role of the tempter. Yet rather than deal with the reality of the entrance of the tempter into the heart of Adam, and thusly also into his 'inner man' Eve, the tempter leads believers to only blame THE CHOICE OF ADAM or of EVE and to ignore the fact of the tempter WITHIN THEM.

The Words of Blessings of God were sown upon Adam by God.
THEN this is what happened, just as Jesus taught:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

If you build a house on sand, it will fall. When I see a crack in the foundation, I leave, which is what happens with your posts. Why keep reading after the first error?

The parable of the seed is not how you state it at all. The seed (gospel) is shed abroad. One person's heart is rocky ground and the gospel never even sprouts. With others, the gospel never takes root because satan uses the temptations of the world to cause someone to turn back to their old life. It's the seed that is sown in the good ground...a heart ready to receive it, that bears fruit. Satan does not enter into a believer at any time in any way. You're preaching false doctrine.

 

[glorydaz]

Actually, I'm sorry but I don't read 90% or so what you write, because I can gather from the other 10% pretty much where your coming from...It would be a "futile" attempt to counter your position, you would only resort with "argumentation" and denial...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

If you build a house on sand, it will fall. When I see a crack in the foundation, I leave, which is what happens with your posts. Why keep reading after the first error?

The parable of the seed is not how you state it at all. The seed (gospel) is shed abroad. One person's heart is rocky ground and the gospel never even sprouts. With others, the gospel never takes root because satan uses the temptations of the world to cause someone to turn back to their old life. It's the seed that is sown in the good ground...a heart ready to receive it, that bears fruit. Satan does not enter into a believer at any time in any way. You're preaching false doctrine.

True Glory...The devil and the Spirit do not mix...If a "believer" has the Spirit in their life, that same believer cannot and will not "house" the devil...The Body is the "Temple of the Holy Spirit..."

 

[childeye]

If you build a house on sand, it will fall. When I see a crack in the foundation, I leave, which is what happens with your posts. Why keep reading after the first error?

The parable of the seed is not how you state it at all. The seed (gospel) is shed abroad. One person's heart is rocky ground and the gospel never even sprouts. With others, the gospel never takes root because satan uses the temptations of the world to cause someone to turn back to their old life. It's the seed that is sown in the good ground...a heart ready to receive it, that bears fruit. Satan does not enter into a believer at any time in any way. You're preaching false doctrine.

Actually smaller is only saying the same thing Jesus did.

 

[childeye]

The absence of the Holy Spirit influences moral decisions...The word "love" is "subjective for the most part...

Love is the eternal spirt which sees all things, and is able to live in all men. You and I are not God, so Love cannot be subjective to only our points of view.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

Love is the eternal spirt which sees all things, and is able to live in all men. You and I are not God, so Love cannot be subjective to only our point of view.

Try to phrase your thoughts so that you don't "sound" like some kind of "Guru" OK? I think I might be able to understand what your saying then...

 

[childeye]

Try to phrase your thoughts so that you don't "sound" like some kind of "Guru" OK? I think I might be able to understand what your saying then...

Since Love is the caring for others, we must seek the interests of others so as to serve Love. Therefore Love is always objective because it is not about serving ourselves.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

Since Love is the caring for others, we must seek the interests of others so as to serve Love. Therefore Love is always objective because it is not about serving ourselves.

The definition of love might be considered "subjective" according to one's own definition. But, your right, love should be considered "objective..."

 

[childeye]

The definition of love might be considered "subjective" according to one's own definition. But, your right, love should be considered "objective..."

That's why Love is the morality of man. That's why the presence or absence of Love is what influences all moral choices. Think about it.

 

[glorydaz]

Actually smaller is only saying the same thing Jesus did.

No he isn't....not even close. And....how would you know, since you don't put much stock in the Bible, and don't feel the need to read it? In fact, I haven't seen you post any verse without changing it, either a little or a whole lot.

 

[glorydaz]

I grew up in a time when long haired people ran around espousing "love and peace, man" But, they really didn't know the real meaning of what they were talking about. And I'm not so sure you do either my friend???

Ah, yes. Those were some good old days of love and peace. Course, as I recall, those folks were usually smoking something to make them talk that way. ;)

 

[glorydaz]

Try to phrase your thoughts so that you don't "sound" like some kind of "Guru" OK? I think I might be able to understand what your saying then...

 

[Grubal Muruch]

Ah, yes. Those were some good old days of love and peace. Course, as I recall, those folks were usually smoking something to make them talk that way. ;)

Smoking, a lot of that "something."

 

[childeye]

No he isn't....not even close. And....how would you know, since you don't put much stock in the Bible, and don't feel the need to read it? In fact, I haven't seen you post any verse without changing it, either a little or a whole lot.

Sorry, glorydaz, but smaller was quoting Jesus. He even gave you the scriptural referance.You may disagree with his interpretation but you don't reason with him. You simply deny his forthright response without any comparative substance.

I never said I don't put stock in the bible. I just don't put stock in men's differing interpretations. You are mistaken about my view. All I've said is God came before scripture.

As for posting scripture, it is true sometimes I am too busy to look everything up and quote it verbatum when I write. But still the essential point I am getting at is represented by scripture, however I quote it, as I understand it. As my experience with you goes you disregard it either way. Please look at the record, I have posted scripture straight out of the bible many times, yet you say I always change it.

Always there are two differing perspectives. Those who follow the letter of the word and those who follow the Spirit of the Word.