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Hyper-Futurist Challenge

The West IS involved in this according to the scriptures.
Capitals for emphasis purposes only.

“THE EVERYDAY BIBLE DICTIONARY.
ZONDERVAN PUBLISHING HOUSE.
Of the Zondervan corporation
Grand Rapids Michigan 49506.
F. N. Peloubet.â€Â

“Greece, Greeks, Gre,cian. The histories of Greece and Palestine are little connected with each other. In Gen 10: 2-5 Moses mentions the descendants of Javan as peopling the isles of the Gentiles; and when the Hebrews came into contact with the Ionians of Asia Minor, and RECOGNISED THEM AS THE LONG-LOST ISLANDERS OF THE WESTERN MIGRATION, it was natural that they should MARK THE SIMILARITY OF SOUND BETWEEN Javan and Iones. Accordingly the Old Testament word which is Grecia, IN AUTHORISED VERSION GREECE, GREEKS, etc, IS IN HEBREW JAVAN, Dan 8:21; Joel 3: 6; the Hebrew, however, is sometimes retained. Isa 66: 19; Ezek 27: 13.â€Â
GRE’CIAN.
The term Grecian, or Helenist, denotes a Jew by birth or religion who spoke Greek. It is used chiefly of foreign Jews and proselytes in contrast with the Hebrew speaking the vernacular Hebrew or Aramaean.
GREEKS WAS A TERM USED FOR NON-JEWISH PEOPLE.†Unquote.

Geneses 10: 4-5.
4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5By these were the isles of the Gentiles DIVIDED IN THEIR LANDS; every one AFTER HIS TONGUE, after their FAMILIES, in their NATIONS.
The descendants of ‘Javan.’
1. “Gentiles DIVIDED IN THEIR LANDS†many countries.
2. “AFTER HIS TONGUE,†into many Western European languages.
3. “after their FAMILIES,†man, many of those.
4. “ in their NATIONS†not just one nation of Greeks but many nations.
Javan’s family line goes through Greece and on to the West, eventually continuing to the United States, that IS the number one of leader. N.A.T.O.

Historic applications are thraut discrepancies.
The war between Alexander the Great and Medo/Persians was fought on the Arbella Plains over 1000 miles away from the vision’s stipulated Ulai River.
Therefore the Historical preterist view has the wrong geographical location deviating from scripture and is proven to be incorrect biblically.

Daniel 8: 2. And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by THE RIVER ULAI.

Daniel 8: 3. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood BEFORE THE RIVER A RAM which had two HORNS: and the two HORNS were HIGH; but ONE was HIGHER THAN THE OTHER, and THE HIGHER CAME UP LAST.

This is cause and affect situation. Because the ram is pushing North West and South it angers the number one power from THE WEST.
Daniel 8: 4. I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

The HE GOAT IS FROM THE WEST TRAVELS a long distance ‘ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE WORLD.’
Alexander the Great of Greece on the other hand, did NOT travel ‘ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE WORLD’ to reach the Middle East. Greece is quite close to Iran

And the goat ‘TOUCHED NOT THE GROUND’ DENOTES MODERN TRAVEL, AND WARFARE.
Alexander the Great used horses and antiquated wheel travel, pulled by horses. Unfortunately horses like pigs, don’t fly.

Daniel 8: 5. And as I was considering, behold, an he goat CAME FROM THE WEST on THE WHOLE FACE OF THE EARTH, and TOUCHED THE GROUND: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

The he goat travels from the West, over a great distance, not touching the ground, to the ram standing by the allocated spot called the Ulai River. What ever that ram does will infuriates the he goat.
Daniel 8: 6. And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

As I said earlier the war with the Greek Empire was in 331BC, FAR TOO EARLY to fit into the chezev stipulated time span as concerning ‘THE TIME OF THE END’ which is mandatory, being a crucial part of the vision, allowing the gaining of the wherewithal, in understanding the chezev properly, according to Gabriel.

Daniel 8: 16. And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, MAKE THIS man TO UNDERSTAND THE VISION.

To make the very important point about the time of the vision he came very close to Daniel doing it and I would like Gabriel to come real close to a you matt2434 and do the same thing, to wake you up about ‘the time of the end’ concerning the vision.

Daniel 8: 17. SO HE CAME NEAR where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, UNDERSTAND, O son of man: FOR AT THE TIME OF THE END shall be THE VISION.

Matt2434.
If my history serves me right, the Medo-Persia empire or kingdom was first established by the Medes, but later the Persians within that kingdom took it over under the leadership of Cyrus.

Dear Matt2434, that event was more likely pre 539BC and is not even relevant to the events of 331BC when the Medo/Persians, represented by the shoulders and arms of silver on the statue of Daniel 2 were taken over, by the thighs of brass being the Greek Empire.

At 331BC when the Greeks attacked the Medo/Persians, it was ONE EMPIRE under ONE KING and well and truly established as they attacked the Medo Persians upon the Arbella Plains in 331BC.
Which is not the case here in Daniel 8: verse 3, relating to a different geographical location stated by Gabriel as the ‘Ulai River’ which is over 1000 miles away and at
‘THE TIME OF THE END’ a time named by Gabriel to which you said.

Matt2434 “Whatever the time of the end was, the Gabriel was not referring to our time!â€Â

Knowing the term ‘the time of the end’ and to what it is applicable is essential in the understanding of the vision according to Gabriel in verse 17. The‘70AD’presumative preconceived obsessional unsubstantiated idea, engenders a persistent hindrance in biblical comprehension.
These presuppositions depreciate Daniel 2: in particular, not to mention Daniel 7: and 8.
It is impossible to formulate presupposed historical beliefs onto God’s prearranged metal empire statue image of Daniel 2.
After carefully reading Matts2434’s very short summary, I find his review wanting biblically.
The Bible’s authority overrides Matthew’s when he is counter to it. Unless he is able to pull the Bible together cohesively within biblical context from memory and understand Gabriel’s ‘time of the end’ ‘evening morning vision’ instead of saying. QUOTE “Whatever the time of the end was, the Gabriel was not referring to our time!†unquote.
Then it is impossible for him to appreciate the testimony of Jesus.

The he goat attacks the ram that has TWO KINGS, ruling TWO COUNTRIES, COMING UP AT DIFFERENT TIMES in verse 3 at the time of the FEET OF IRON AND CLAY and if Matt had an inkling of Daniel 7: and 2: he would understand that fact.

The notable HORN, coming from the West on the ‘He Goat’ travels a great distance then is broken at the height of his power in Daniel 8: 21-22 after defeating the ram at the river Ulai.
I agree with the description Moses gave here as I have indicated before that it means many countries not just one Western nation.
When this occurs we will see four leaders/kings rise in four divided by sea or land countries in Daniel 7: 3-7 within the overview of chapter 7:

Capitals for emphasis purposes only.
Now we have the horn leader of what I believe is the USA broken and in this next verse we have four DIVIDED countries with leaders that come up to fill the vacuum soon to be left by the USA.

Daniel 8: 21. And the rough goat is the king of (Yavan 3120 translated as Grecia) and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
As you know I see it as first king/leader as number one power a notable horn of the Gentile Western nations from Yavan’s family line.

Four ‘notable ones’ out of the Gentile nations stand up but are not really that close and not with the Eagle President’s military power.
Daniel 8: 22. “Now that being broken, whereas FOUR KINGDOMS shall stand up OUT OF THE NATION, BUT NOT IN HIS POWER.â€Â

I believe these are the four that rise up after the ‘Alliance’ is broken in Daniel 7: 3 between Great Britain and the United States of America, the most powerful country ever to grace the Earth.
I understand that some of you believe the four beasts represent the four past empires but hear me out first that’s all I ask.

Dan 7: 3. Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
‘Sea,’ or ‘waters’ can denote peoples.

They don’t have much in common these four and maybe divided by land or sea but they are diverse.
Dan 7: 3. And FOUR GREAT BEASTS CAME UP from the sea, DIVERSE ONE FROM ANOTHER.

The affects of Britain/lion losing its American/Eagle partner will weaken it severely and it will lose its Eagle’s wings and be lifted up from the earth and be made to stand on its feet just like a man, it loses its lion’s heart for that of a man’s heart, this is no gentle act against Britain the thing is violent because I think America will ‘pull up the draw bridge,’ so to speak.

The results of the yet to occur split of the Alliance partnership now trying to sort out the Fundamentalists in the Middle East is captured in such detail that it is incredible when we realise that it was written around 2400 years ago.

Dan 7: 4. “The first was like A LION, and HAD EAGLE’S WINGS:
I BEHELD TILL THE WINGS THEREOF WERE PLUCKED, and IT WAS LIFTED UP FROM THE EARTH, and MADE TO STAND UPON THE FEET AS A MAN, and a MANS HEART WAS GIVEN TO IT.â€Â

This event is within the ‘evening morning’ vision, a short ‘time of the end’ which is a span of 2300 days, in verses 13-14 of Daniel 8: and titled ‘the evening morning vision’ in verse 26.
Now Revelation and show something first.

Revelation 13: 1. And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw A BEAST RISE UP OUT OF THE SEA, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Now Daniel is the hand that the glove, being Revelation fits.
The beast, above last verse, is the fourth beast of Daniel 7: 7 who rises after the Lion, Symbol of UK. The Bear, symbol of Russia and the Leopard in verses 3,4,and 5 respectively.
Please note that the little horn/Satan comes up just after the fourth beast shortly after he rises up.

Daniel 7: 7. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and IT HAD TEN HORNS. 8. I CONSIDERED THE HORNS, and, behold, there came up among them ANOTHER LITTLE HORN, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

4 beasts of Daniel 7: 3-7 join up after America splits from the Alliance partner Britain and the divided 4th beasts Empire rises. Now I am not sure whether I should go to Daniel 2: 39-45? I will leave that for now.

Revelation 13: 2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD, and his feet were as the feet OF A BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth OF A LION: and THE DRAGON GAVE HIM HIS POWER, and his seat, and GREAT AUTHORITY.

Revelation 13: 3. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Satan will be here too for well before the 42 months which finish on the 2300th day of the time of the end on day 2300th day AT TRUMP 7. Imho.
4. And they worshipped the DRAGON which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, who is like unto the beast who is able to make war with him?

5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and POWER WAS GIVEN HIM TO CONTINUE FORTY TWO MONTHS.

Rev 13: 11. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE A LAMB, and he spake as a DRAGON.

I’m not sure whether I should put 2 Cor 11: 13 in, no I had better not.

In Daniel 2: we have a very interesting story of the Statue. Once read it is not forgotten easily but it puts empire time span limits using various metals indicating each power in sections on that statue.

All four historic powers are represented by each metal sections on the statue and a future power is also represented at the feet of iron and clay in Daniel 2: 39-45.
In those verses it mentions a last power that is divided being clay and iron don’t mix hence the four beast power in Daniel 7: It is interesting that we are told in Daniel 2: 44, that in the days of these kings God will set up His kingdom. Which brings us back to the overview of Daniel 7 and the verses that confirm that fact pulling two of the beasts into today that I recocgnise using their symbols, the Lion being the UK and the Bear being the symbol of Russia and the Eagles wings as from the USA symbol.
Here are the verses that confirm Daniel 2: 44.
I will mix them from Daniel and Revelation and look how they blend within the same prophetic story
 
Danie7: 11. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Danie7: 12. As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Revelation 19:20. And the BEAST was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 19: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Now we have the last Earthly power made up of four beasts in Daniel 7 which are as one power in Rev 13: 1-5 for only forty two months. Four notables divided.

Daniel 8: 3. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, THERE STOOD BEFOR THE RIVER A RAM WHICH HAD two HORNS: and the two HORNS were HIGH; but ONE was HIGHER THAN THE OTHER, AND THE HIGHER CAME UP LAST.

{This is just my opinion but I think the Ram could be a push Moslem fundamentalist religion that is responsible for the attacks on the USA, UK and other Western countries and even further afield such as Russia, China, India, Thailand, just to name a few. Pushing North West and South, but that is a private thought only so I make it as sheer conjecture only, for the moment that is.}

However the shorter horn Iraq, was dealt with, for the moment and now Iran has come up and is getting the Western nations concerned and upset and when he starts troubling neighbouring countries then that will be the trigger for the USA to protect allied Arab nations.
Daniel 8: 4. I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

Daniel 8: 5.And as I was considering, behold, AN HE GOAT CAME FROM THE WEST ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH, AND TOUCHED NOT THE GROUND: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
Whom ever the President is, may God bless him, he will lose office either running out of his time in the White House or be removed by other means, I am not sure until I see it.

Daniel 8: 6. And HE CAME TO THE RAM THAT two HORNS, which I had seen STANDING BEFORE THE RIVER, and RAN UNTO HIM IN THE FURY OF HIS POWER.
What ever it is that Iran will do by its pushing, it will make America so angry they will go in there full on.

Daniel 8: 7. And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, AND BRAKE HIS TWO HORNS: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

Matt2434.
When did I state that Media and Persia were two kingdoms (although they were technically two peoples united into one)?

I never said you did. I said Daniel 8; 3 states two countries with two leaders and that does not fit the Medo/Persian Empire of 539-331BC at the thighs of brass that had one king as one Empire when the Greeks attacked it in 331BC.

Now getting back to Daniel 8:
Daniel 8: “Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram WHICH HAD two HORNS: and THE two HORNS were high; but ONE was HIGHER THAN THE OTHER, and THE HIGHER CAME UP LAST.â€Â

Matt2434.
When I mentioned actual kingdoms, I was referring to Medo-Persia AND Greece.
But regardless, Daniel 8 clearly states the two horns are the "kings" of MEDIA and PERSIA.
I didn't write that! Maybe you should be careful about making assumptions in accusing someone of making assumptions. I'm just saying . . . . In Daniel 8, Daniel first mentions the kings of Media and Persia before referring to the king or kingdom of Greece! These are OT references to OT actual historical nations!â€Â
Preterist

I quoted your statement, below paragraph from a previous post and “accusing†is too strong a word.
You were making assumptions about Daniel 8: and I stand by what I said based on the scriptures involved being counter to your ideas.
You did write it here it was copied by me and isolated for good reason also Daniel 8: describes the situation in verses 1-14 then Gabriel interprets the vision in verses 15-27.

You do not understand verse 17.‘understand, o son of man for at the time of the end shall be the vision’ which you have admitted by saying
“Whatever the time of the end was, the Gabriel was not referring to our time!†unquote.
Which according to Gabriel who made it clear to Daniel in verse 16-17 that it is necessary in the understanding of the vision, so my biblically based deductions are that you DON’T understand the time therefore can’t understand the vision so you ARE making assumptions!

Matt2434
You are reading that into the text because of your eschatological system.
There are more.

What ‘Eschatological system?’ O you mean when I’m STUDYING reading your statement on the PC screen and searching the scriptures for what sayeth the Bible and pulling it together to prove its point as thoroughly as I can holding back a lot of information to save time.
I don’t do this to attack you I respond to you in like manner. I do this to stop the spreading of what I consider apostasy.

There is a time of 2300 day which will end on the 2300th day, predetermined so that the polluted sanctuary can be cleansed, which is to do with Daniel 8: 9-14, at the end of the 2300 ereb boqer called ‘the time of the end’ period.

Matt2434.
We use such expressions today when referring to the completion of something. "Time's up." "You're out of time." That's the meaning in Revelation 10:6! Time was up--judgment was coming. This is seen in the sounding of the 7th Trumpet, the bowl judgments, the fall of Babylon the Great, the defeat of the beast and his armies, etc.
This is seen in the sounding of the 7th Trumpet, the bowl judgments, the fall of Babylon the Great, the defeat of the beast and his armies, etc..â€Â

In so many words that is what I have said and it is still yet to occur so it WILL be time up by the words TIME NO LONGER at the sound of the 7th trumpet at the end of the 2300th ereb/evening boqer/morning period called ‘the time of the end’ in the vision called the evening morning vision of Dan 8; in verse 26. “And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.â€Â

If you say the 4th beast is the Roman Empire then the sums just don’t fit the scriptures’ timetable.
Daniel 7: 3-7. 4 beasts.
In Revelation 13: 1-5 speaks of the Same 4 beasts as one in mind, the Lion, Bear and Leopard supporting the 4th beast with the mortal wound, where they are given only 42 months of power as I said if the 4th beast is Rome and the Romans were in power for another 406 years after 70AD in fact in power for 644 years. How do you explain that? The vision of the evening morning is only 2300 days long just six and a part years, how do you explain that?

I repeat, try and read Daniel 7: 3-7 where we have four beasts that do not represent past empires because they are around TOGETHER at the SAME time during the time of these beasts the God of Heaven will set up His kingdom and give it to the Saints in verses 18, 27. Then go and read Daniel 2: 39-45 then the penny should drop loudly when it’s pulled together and make you realise your timing is set far too early and should be at the time of the iron and clay feet confirming Daniel 2: 39-45 with Rev 13: 1-5 and Daniel 7: as being at the same time of the feet of iron the time of the end. Jesus did not set up His kingdom within Babylon or the Medo/Persian or Greek and Roman empires.

Daniel 8: 13. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be THE VISION concerning the place of THE DAILY, AND THE TRANSGRESSION OF DESOLATION, TO GIVE BOTH THE SANCTUARY AND HOST TO BE TRODDEN UNDER FOOT?

Time no more so that the Sanctuary can be cleansed.
Daniel 8: 14. And he said unto me, UNTO THE TWO THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; THEN SHALL THE SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED.

Matt2434
What is the CONTEXT of Revelation 10:6? Here is the danger of taking verse out of their setting. This verse does NOT teach that time will end. Note how this verse is rendered in the many translations--

I haven’t repeated those translations there is no real point to the discussion. KJV will do more than abundantly that is why I originally used the verse from it.
Rev 10: 6. And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, THAT THERE SHOULD BE TIME NO LONGER:
Here is where we see the Bible lift us in hope.

“THERE SHOULD BE TIME NO LONGER:â€Â

During the days of the seventh trumpet EVERYTHING changes.

Rev 10: 7. But IN THE DAYS OF THE VOICE OF THE SEVENTH ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the MYSTERY OF GOD SHOULD BE FINISHED, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

“THE MYSTERY OF GOD SHOULD BE FINISHED.â€Â
At the time of the 7th angel.

When,,,,, “the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath DECLARED TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS?â€Â

1 Corinthians 15: 50. NOW THIS I SAY, BRETHREN, THAT FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD; NEITHER DOTH CORRUPTION INHERIT INCORUPTION.

Part of Rev 10: 6. “THERE SHOULD BE TIME NO LONGER:â€Â

Question! When is there no more time?

Answer Rev 10: 7. “But IN THE DAYS OF THE VOICE OF THE SEVENTH ANGEL when HE SHALL BEGIN TO SOUND, THE MYSTERY OF GOD SHOULD BE FINISHED, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Here it is THE MYSTERY time of the seventh trumpet! Then WE SHALL BE CHANGED.
1 Cor 15: 51. Behold, I SHEW YOU A MYSTERY; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL BE CHANGED,

1 Cor 15: 52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: FOR THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, and THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, AND WE SHALL BE CHANGED.

53. For this CORRUPTIBLE must put on INCORRUPTIBLE, and THIS MORTAL must put on IMMORTALITY.

54. So WHEN this CORRUPTIBLE shall have put on INCORRUPTION, and this MORTAL shall have put on IMMORTALITY, THEN shall be brought to pass the SAYING THAT IS WRITTEN, DEATH IS SWOLLOWED UP IN VICTORY.

I Cor 15: 55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the VICTORY through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

We are still flesh and blood, so what does that tell us folks about the seventh
trumpet and the constructed theory of it supposedly being blown in 70AD or any other time in the past?
I think the answer is so blatantly obvious, that even I can fathom it. :biglol

PC
 
Synthesis
According to your copy of the above, it is not quite the way you imply.
:crazy

Prophecy Countdown
Hogwash!

sinthesis.
Might you elaborate?
:nag

Prophecy Countdown
The word ‘Hogwash’ is found in a book called a dictionary. That’s a book that has lots and lots of words in it, maybe when mummy takes you shopping with her she may buy you one to show your pre-school playgroup friends.
:rolling :biglol
 
Prophecy Countdown said:
I think the answer is so blatantly obvious, that even I can fathom it. :biglol
Hogwash! Blatantly obvious interpretations don't require one to bounce around through 7 chapters in 3 books when a perfectly reasonable interpretation is provided by Gabriel in that very same chapter.

Even the source you site acknowledges this truth. :rolling

Prophecy Countdown said:
Prophetical notice of Greece occurs in Dan 8: 21, etc., where the history of Alexander and his successors is rapidly sketched.
:thumbsup
 
Sinthesis said:
Prophecy Countdown said:
I think the answer is so blatantly obvious, that even I can fathom it. :biglol
Hogwash! Blatantly obvious interpretations don't require one to bounce around through 7 chapters in 3 books when a perfectly reasonable interpretation is provided by Gabriel in that very same chapter.

Even the source you site acknowledges this truth. :rolling

[quote="the Everyday bible Dictionary":etqron6q]Prophetical notice of Greece occurs in Dan 8: 21, etc., where the history of Alexander and his successors is rapidly sketched.
:thumbsup[/quote:etqron6q]


Capitals used for emphasis only.
Source Credits. “The Interlinear Bible.
Hebrew Greek English.
English translation by Jay P. Green, Sr.â€Â
“The Greek text is used with the permission of the copy right holder.
Copyright 1976.
The Trinitarian Bible Society, London England.
Printed in the United State of America.â€Â

“THE EVERYDAY BIBLE DICTIONARY.
ZONDERVAN PUBLISHING HOUSE.
Of the Zondervan corporation
Grand Rapids Michigan 49506.
F. N. Peloubet.â€Â

1. “Greece, Greeks, Gre,cian. The histories of Greece and Palestine are little connected with each other. In Gen 10: 2-5 MOSES MENTIONS THE DESCENDANTS OF JAVAN AS PEOPLING THE ISLES OF THE GENTILES; and when the Hebrews came into contact with the Ionians OF ASIA MINOR, and RECOGNISED THEM AS THE LONG-LONG LOST ISLANDERS OF THE WESTERN MIGRATION, it was natural that they should mark the similarity of sound between JAVAN AND IONES.â€Â

2. "Accordingly the Old Testament word which is Grecia, in Authorized Version Greece, Greeks, etc, is in Hebrew Javan, Dan 8:21; Joel 3: 6; the Hebrew, however, is sometimes retained. Isa 66: 19; Ezek 27: 13.
The Greeks and Hebrews met for the first time in the slave market. The medium of communication seems to have been the Tyrian slave merchants. Joel speaks of the Tyrians as selling the children of Judah to the Grecians Joel 3: 6; and in Ezek 27: 13 the Greeks are mentioned as trading in brazen vessels and slaves.â€Â

3. “PROPHETICAL NOTICE OF GREECE OCCURS IN DAN 8: 212. ETC, WHERETHE HISTORY OF ALEXANDER AND HIS SUCCESSOR IS RAPIDLY SKETCHERD.â€Â

4."Zechariah, Zech 9: 13, foretells the triumphs of the Maccabees against the Greco-Syrian empire, while Isaiah looks forward to the conversion of the Greeks among other Gentiles through the instrumentality of Jewish missionaries. Isa 66: 19."

5. "The name of the country Greece, occurs once in the New Testament, Acts 20: 2, as opposed to Macedonia."

6. "GRE’CIAN.
The term Grecian, or Helenist, denotes a Jew by birth or religion who spoke Greek. It is used chiefly of foreign Jews and proselytes in contrast with the Hebrew speaking the vernacular Hebrew or Aramaean.
GREEKS WAS A TERM USED FOR NON-JEWISH PEOPLE.†Unquote.

My original source, above was from The Everyday Bible Dictionary and was quoted in full by me because there were conflicting statements within it and if I had not done so, someone later, with the same book may have noticed the one missing sentence and brought the matter up.

There are some oxymoron statements within the Every Day Bible Dictionary material supplied by me.
Despite that fact, I still went ahead to secure which one of the variations was in accordance with the scriptures.
I had a feeling a preterist would come up with the only ONE LINE on Alexander in capitals in dark red in paragraph 3 apposed to the many including biblical verses confirming my conclusions.

Paragraph 3 in capitals and in dark red is a one line statement a contradiction when we consider those made in Paragraphs 1. 2 and 6 in capitals. The blue words are in harmony within the scriptures proven in my previous posts.
The evidence I used was Geneses 10: 4-5 mentioning the many ‘NATIONS’ of the Western migration from Javan’s blood line which Greece was but one member in paragraph 1 in blue capitals and includes paragraph 6.
1. “Greece, Greeks, Gre,cian. The histories of Greece and Palestine are little connected with each other. In Gen 10: 2-5 MOSES MENTIONS THE DESCENDANTS OF JAVAN AS PEOPLING THE ISLES OF THE GENTILES; and when the Hebrews came into contact with the Ionians OF ASIA MINOR, and RECOGNISED THEM AS THE LONG-LONG LOST ISLANDERS OF THE WESTERN MIGRATION, it was natural that they should mark the similarity of sound between JAVAN AND IONES.â€Â

2. “Accordingly the Old Testament word which is Grecia, in Authorized Version Greece, Greeks, etc, is in Hebrew Javan, Dan 8:21;â€Â

Gen 10: 4.And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5By these were the isles of the GENTILES DIVIDED IN THEIR LANDS; every one after his tongue, after their families, IN THEIR NATIONS.

In my earlier posts I used Daniel 7: 3-7. 14, 22, 26, pointing the time of the vision called by Gabriel ‘THE TIME OF THE END’ when God will set up His kingdom also being that of Daniel 2: 39-49 along with Daniel 8: using verse 17 which is not the time of 331BC.

I used Daniel 8: 1-8 and explained how the vision’s geographical location of the war in Daniel 8: 3, 4, 5 where the he goat fights the ram being the Ulai River, over 1000 miles away from where Alexander fought the Medo/Persians on the Arbella Plains. Concluding that historic 331BC Alexander neither fits the time or location of the vision or the fact that Javan’s progeny are many nations.

Javan3120 is translated as Western Gentile nations which Greece3120 is in the same context.
The following quote in the E.D.B. Dictionary is not in harmony with with paragraphs 1. 2. 6. or the scriptures outlined as Gen 10: 4-5. Daniel 8: 1-5, 17 and 21.

3. “PROPHEICAL NOTICE OF GREECE OCCURS IN DAN 8: 21. ETC, WHERETHE HISTORY OF ALEXANDER AND HIS SUCCESSOR IS RAPIDLY SKETCHERD.â€Â
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