I am starting to REALLY like the Catholics (OC plz read)

[Solo]

Why do you ever post scripture, when you don't believe it? God's word says that there are children of God and children of the devil. Those that are not children of God will suffer the wrath of God.

Show me the verse where Satan created his children?

This kind of mentality is sicking to say the least!

Matthew 18:3 (New International Version)

3And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.


Your adult sepratism doesnt sound too "childlike" to me!

Your refusal to become saved so that you can warn all mankind of the wrath that will be poured out on their unbelief is sickening.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 3:9-10


42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. John 8:42-45

 

[Soma-Sight]

Your refusal to become saved so that you can warn all mankind of the wrath that will be poured out on their unbelief is sickening.

I talk to Jesus every day!

I have been "saved" from the pharisees such as yourself and the closed minded bigotry of fundamentalist idolatry.

I love all men equally with the true intent to see the best for them allowing Christ's Spirit to WORK THROUGH ME.

Walking around and brow beating people with your Bible TRANSLATION will convert NO ONE!

Only when a person sees the Love of Jesus shining through your actions will the Spirit "call" that person to the Divine Grace YOU have recieved.

How many people have YOU converted with your poor attitude?

And converted to what? The Law? Or the Divine unconditional Grace of Christ?

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it

 

[Solo]

Your refusal to become saved so that you can warn all mankind of the wrath that will be poured out on their unbelief is sickening.

I talk to Jesus every day!

I have been "saved" from the pharisees such as yourself and the closed minded bigotry of fundamentalist idolatry.

I love all men equally with the true intent to see the best for them allowing Christ's Spirit to WORK THROUGH ME.

Walking around and brow beating people with your Bible TRANSLATION will convert NO ONE!

Only when a person sees the Love of Jesus shining through your actions will the Spirit "call" that person to the Divine Grace YOU have recieved.

How many people have YOU converted with your poor attitude?

And converted to what? The Law? Or the Divine unconditional Grace of Christ?

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it

Perhaps you are not a child of God. Your posts don't allude to any knowledge of the gospel of Jesus Christ, nor do I see you preaching him as the way, the truth, and the life. Your words judge you, and you would do good to quote scripture instead. I warn you to evaluate your belief system to insure that you have been born again of the Spirit of God, and not a false religion of deception put forth by the enemy. You would not bust out as you have if you were saved, so I warn you again, repent, believe, and be baptized as a step of obedience to Jesus Christ.


1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. James 4:1-10

 

[Orthodoxy]

Let us take a close look at the boast of 36 years of walking with the Lord, topped off by this one's 4-year history in the Orthodox religion........


Orthodox says,

"You are so deep I need a nose plug. Got any other old protestant revelations. You really should quote your sources for these ideas because you did not come up with this in your pea brain."



Now tell me, which believer reading this speaking of Orthodox is so moved by it as to thirst after the doctrines that on being received cause this to issue forth from the receiver?


Or in other words, should any believer want to end up speaking like this?

And worse, even boast in it?


What Orthodox is failing to realize is that he is condemned by his own words,.... just as scripture declares will happen.



In love,
cj

You have made insipid and rancid remarks concerning my christian walk.

I don't believe you're speaking truthfully Orthodox, I speak against the apostate institution and it issue that can be seen in men.

You simply are one of many who have been duped into this counterfeit of Satan.

You have made railing accusations against the Church...

No I have not. What you call the Church is not the true church of God. Therefore all I've done is call the lie a lie.

..... and called the Orthodox "of satan" and part of the "whore".

Jesus said that if you are not for Him you are against Him. And to be against Him is to have given/prostituted yourself to His enemy.

Over and over you attempt to divert the debate to my personality and the way I state the obvious.

Not at all,..... but the above comment of your's was so glaringly a disgraceful expression of that which you serve, that I so the profit in pointing out the result work of the apostate institution in you.

The fact is, your words condemn the very thing to which you hold.

Why dont you just answer the questions I asked and stop with your petty attempts to prove my fruit is bad.

Its not your fruit that I'm pointing out,...... its you as the fruit of the apostate institution.

If you cannot answer the questions just be man enough to admit you just dont know and dont care.

Ask it again.

The words "pea brain" have offended you yet Jesus Christ your claimed Lord was not offended with even the cross? Really? You do need a thicker skin.

"Pea brain" offends me? Get real.

Now answer the questions placed before you.

Orthodoxy

Place it again.

In love,
cj

Tell me why my belief in Jesus Christ is apostate?

Can you define “believe†in the heterodox faith?

When a dispute arises what did Jesus tell the Church to do when the “rebel†of the debate refuses to listen to the Church?

Tell me what about Jesus Christ I don’t believe that you condemn me for?

Where in the Scripture am I commanded to obey and submit to a book?

The Apostles appointed bishops and elders to each and every city. Does it not stand to reason each “believer†in each city must have an overseer to be called a Christian?

Who is your overseer? Every Christian has a bishop. Your bishop is?

What about my belief in Jesus Christ makes me apostate?

Believe what? What do I believe that makes me apostate and a mouth piece of satan?

Adding to believe eh? Acceptance of Jesus is only part of "full salvation"?

One is not completely saved when one accepts Jesus and must do something else huh?

Can you show me the words "full salvation" in the bible?

Are you accusing me of not really worshipping God when I attend an orthodox service?

These are just a few of my questions you never answered. All you have done is cast fireballs and condemnation.

Orthodoxy

 

[cj]

These are just a few of my questions you never answered. All you have done is cast fireballs and condemnation.

Orthodoxy

A few huh..... okay, but understand this, it will take me more than a few posts to properly respond.

But Lord willing, and you being patient, I will give it a go.

In love,
cj

 

[Orthodoxy]

waiting

 

[Orthodoxy]

cj,

I am waiting. Try just one question please.

Tell me why my belief in Jesus Christ is apostate?

Orthodoxy

 

[Soma-Sight]

You would not bust out as you have if you were saved, so I warn you again, repent, believe, and be baptized as a step of obedience to Jesus Christ.

Maybe your right......

I guess Martin Luther had to "bust out" too even though the Church said he was going to hell for his heresies of preaching freedom and love over repression and man's authority.

 

[Solo]

You would not bust out as you have if you were saved, so I warn you again, repent, believe, and be baptized as a step of obedience to Jesus Christ.

Maybe your right......

I guess Martin Luther had to "bust out" too even though the Church said he was going to hell for his heresies of preaching freedom and love over repression and man's authority.

The church that killed many believers is not the body of Jesus Christ, and should be busted out of. Martin Luther was not saved by believing the lies of the apostate church, he was saved because of his faith in Jesus Christ. Read Foxes Book of Martyrs http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/home.html

 

[Orthodoxy]

You would not bust out as you have if you were saved, so I warn you again, repent, believe, and be baptized as a step of obedience to Jesus Christ.

Maybe your right......

I guess Martin Luther had to "bust out" too even though the Church said he was going to hell for his heresies of preaching freedom and love over repression and man's authority.

The church that killed many believers is not the body of Jesus Christ, and should be busted out of. Martin Luther was not saved by believing the lies of the apostate church, he was saved because of his faith in Jesus Christ. Read Foxes Book of Martyrs http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/home.html

Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic priest that never denied the filioque heresy of dual procession of the Holy Spirit. A hereitic falling away from a fallen Church.

While you are at that site you posted why not read some of the writting of the early Church fathers? Foxes writtings are not in the bible thus not any more valid than those of the early Church fathers seen on this same site. Right?

Orthodoxy

 

[cj]

cj,

I am waiting. Try just one question please.

Tell me why my belief in Jesus Christ is apostate?

Orthodoxy

Your "belief" is according to a false doctrine.

You don't "believe" in Jesus Christ, you believe what this false doctrine has lead you to believe.

You have moved away from the truth, for whatever reason.

In love,
cj

 

[Orthodoxy]

cj,

I am waiting. Try just one question please.

Tell me why my belief in Jesus Christ is apostate?

Orthodoxy

Your "belief" is according to a false doctrine.

You don't "believe" in Jesus Christ, you believe what this false doctrine has lead you to believe.

You have moved away from the truth, for whatever reason.

cj,

You call that an answer?

WHAT. Do you understand WHAT WHAT means?

What cj, specifically are you charging me with that makes my doctrine false concerning the person of Jesus Christ? What specifically do I believe about Jesus Christ that makes me a member of the synagogue of satan?You vague and nebulas charge is meaningless tripe. Please answer my direct question and stop being coy and evasive. Do you really think people read this tripe of yours and believe you have any crediability what so ever?

Make a list of grievances against me as commanded by Jesus Christ stated in Matthew 18. Man to man tell me what I believe about Jesus Christ makes me an "unbeliever" outside the "Christian Church"?

Put up or shut up cj. Your cat and mouse game is getting old.

Orthodoxy

 

[cj]

Orthodox,

Lets be clear, saying things such as "Put up or shut up cj. Your cat and mouse game is getting old." only serves to expose your immaturity (and yes, immaturity has little to do with age).

Try and get past it.

You call that an answer?

Absolutely.

WHAT. Do you understand WHAT WHAT means?

"WHAT WHAT" no, "what" yes.

But,...... in your question you asked "WHY" and not "WHAT".

Do you understand the difference between the two?

What cj, specifically are you charging me with that makes my doctrine false concerning the person of Jesus Christ?

First off, I'm not the police, so I don't charge anyone with anything.

Secondly, you are now asking me a different question.

The question you asked regarded "why", now you ask "what".

To your question of "why" I answered with, "because you have moved away from the truth." This is what it means to be in an apostate condition.

Regarding your new "what" question, the reason that you have moved away from the truth is your holding to false doctrine. And the scripture is clear in telling us that the result of holding to false doctrine is a moving away from the truth.

Now I guess you will be asking me "how" the doctrine you hold to is false, right?

What specifically do I believe about Jesus Christ that makes me a member of the synagogue of satan?

You seem to believe that outward religious forms in some way represent Christ. They don't, they in fact usurp the function of your regenerated spirt, where Christ is found on the earth today.

You vague and nebulas charge is meaningless tripe.

Funny how much time you spend on meaningless tripe, isn't it.

Maybe its because secretly you have a taste for it.

Please answer my direct question and stop being coy and evasive.

I have, and to prove this, you have even taken my response as an answer and have asked another question based on my answer.

You seem intent on insulting me, even to the point of not even being able to recognize that your speaking is confused.

Do you really think people read this tripe of yours and believe you have any crediability what so ever?

Fact is, the Lord has repeatedly used folks here to encourage me, but I hope that regardless of this I would persevere throught the inward grace of the Lord. Yet, give thanks for the saints speaking to me.

Make a list of grievances against me as commanded by Jesus Christ stated in Matthew 18. Man to man tell me what I believe about Jesus Christ makes me an "unbeliever" outside the "Christian Church"?

I have not called you an unbeliever outside of the christian church, have I?

I don't believe so.

Orthodox, seriously, consider the principle behind the following......

Leavened meal contains both the leaven and the fine meal. Yet it is of no use.

Put up or shut up cj. Your cat and mouse game is getting old.

Orthodoxy

Thankfully you are not my Lord.

And as for games, you seem to have no clue about your status as a pawn.

In love,
cj

 

[Orthodoxy]

Orthodox,

Lets be clear, saying things such as "Put up or shut up cj. Your cat and mouse game is getting old." only serves to expose your immaturity (and yes, immaturity has little to do with age).

Try and get past it.

You call that an answer?

Absolutely.

WHAT. Do you understand WHAT WHAT means?

"WHAT WHAT" no, "what" yes.

But,...... in your question you asked "WHY" and not "WHAT".

Do you understand the difference between the two?

What cj, specifically are you charging me with that makes my doctrine false concerning the person of Jesus Christ?

First off, I'm not the police, so I don't charge anyone with anything.

Secondly, you are now asking me a different question.

The question you asked regarded "why", now you ask "what".

To your question of "why" I answered with, "because you have moved away from the truth." This is what it means to be in an apostate condition.

Regarding your new "what" question, the reason that you have moved away from the truth is your holding to false doctrine. And the scripture is clear in telling us that the result of holding to false doctrine is a moving away from the truth.

Now I guess you will be asking me "how" the doctrine you hold to is false, right?

What specifically do I believe about Jesus Christ that makes me a member of the synagogue of satan?

You seem to believe that outward religious forms in some way represent Christ. They don't, they in fact usurp the function of your regenerated spirt, where Christ is found on the earth today.

You vague and nebulas charge is meaningless tripe.

Funny how much time you spend on meaningless tripe, isn't it.

Maybe its because secretly you have a taste for it.

Please answer my direct question and stop being coy and evasive.

I have, and to prove this, you have even taken my response as an answer and have asked another question based on my answer.

You seem intent on insulting me, even to the point of not even being able to recognize that your speaking is confused.

Do you really think people read this tripe of yours and believe you have any crediability what so ever?

Fact is, the Lord has repeatedly used folks here to encourage me, but I hope that regardless of this I would persevere throught the inward grace of the Lord. Yet, give thanks for the saints speaking to me.

Make a list of grievances against me as commanded by Jesus Christ stated in Matthew 18. Man to man tell me what I believe about Jesus Christ makes me an "unbeliever" outside the "Christian Church"?

I have not called you an unbeliever outside of the christian church, have I?

I don't believe so.

Orthodox, seriously, consider the principle behind the following......

Leavened meal contains both the leaven and the fine meal. Yet it is of no use.

Put up or shut up cj. Your cat and mouse game is getting old.

Orthodoxy

Thankfully you are not my Lord.

And as for games, you seem to have no clue about your status as a pawn.

In love,
cj

Meet mr ignora.

Orthodoxy

 

[Steve]

I like the fact that there preaching style is more about trying to understand different points of view and SHARING the Gospel message rather than FORCING it down peoples throats....

You know what they FORCE down people throats?

The tithe envelopes! They make you become a member of the church and the first thing you get.... is a pack of tithing envelopes. to bring to church every sunday. They are neat and tidy in that respect. It's so they can keep track of what their parishioners give to the church.

And another thing they FORCE down your throat. Is if you are divorced and you want the church to marry you. You have to get an annulment through the church before they will marry you again.

Another thing they FORCE down your throat. all of their man made doctrines!


Did I read somewhere in this forum that the Catholics doctrines are in such a huge volume that it is larger than the bible itself? :o :


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Rel---

I have never seen a tithing envelope in any Catholic Church. Tithing is not a requirement of the RCC. I came from an ethnic parish, so we all had a little black book and we paid our parish dues once a year(usually from $5 on up). We had regular Sunday envelopes for those who wished them, but that's it.

 

[Jay T]

Plus the Orthodox and Catholic systems are the oldest Churches and there have been many Holy men, Saints and mystics like Augustine and the like which are very inspirational for me personally!

I'm curious, have you given up your 7th day sabbath belief and embraced Sunday worship services ?

 

[Heidi]

I have been watching quite a bit of EWTN lately and the Franciscan (I think that is spelled right) monks that come on late at night....

I like the fact that there preaching style is more about trying to understand different points of view and SHARING the Gospel message rather than FORCING it down peoples throats....

Plus the Orthodox and Catholic systems are the oldest Churches and there have been many Holy men, Saints and mystics like Augustine and the like which are very inspirational for me personally!

Last night the monk was explaining how Assisi used to see Christ in ALL THINGS. His on the roses, his tears in the rain, his cross in the trees, etc.... That is awesome and I am surprised that I have never heard that kind of preaching before and it made my heart glad!

It sure beats the brow beating protestant hellfire messages thats for sure!

So if the catholics are sharing the gospel, then where is it written in the gospel that Mary had a sinless birth? :o

Again Paul warns us about false teachers passing along made-up gospels in Galations 1:9, and 2 Corinthians 11:4-15. So the "gospel" you're shraing is not the bible.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

I have been watching quite a bit of EWTN lately and the Franciscan (I think that is spelled right) monks that come on late at night....

I like the fact that there preaching style is more about trying to understand different points of view and SHARING the Gospel message rather than FORCING it down peoples throats....

Plus the Orthodox and Catholic systems are the oldest Churches and there have been many Holy men, Saints and mystics like Augustine and the like which are very inspirational for me personally!

Last night the monk was explaining how Assisi used to see Christ in ALL THINGS. His blood on the roses, his tears in the rain, his cross in the trees, etc.... That is awesome and I am surprised that I have never heard that kind of preaching before and it made my heart glad!

It sure beats the brow beating protestant hellfire messages thats for sure!

Wooweee! This was a heck of a thread in its day, wasn't it. I'm getting a kick out of some of these old threads.

 

[cyberjosh]

The idea of seeing Christ in all things is indeed beautiful, yet I cannot even believe some of the more simple interpretations which I have seen people unnecessarily give of the Song of Solomon being an analogy for the Church and Jesus and therefore Christ being the Rose of Sharon, etc.. Looking for symbols in everything is something many denominational offshoots have done and, as many admit, even some of the early Church Fathers took this to an extreme, in that everything had to present an analogy of Christ, which inevitably concocted some crazy ideas. I say, yes, some are beautiful ideas indeed, but such interpretaions are to be used only with moderation and insight, not in unbrittled enthusiatic label-tagging.

~Josh

 

[stovebolts]

Wooweee! This was a heck of a thread in its day, wasn't it. I'm getting a kick out of some of these old threads.

Yeah... it was... well... Lets just say we had some personalities :

Actually, I really enjoyed James (Orthodox Christian) and wish he'd come back around. To be honest, I'd say that both James and Joe have been very influential and effective in their ministries.

Peace and Grace.