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I never knew you

Iniquity = lawlessness

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Sun came up this morning and I put my feet on the ground. Yep, the law is still in effect and acting on everyone.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 
To those whom shall yet hear these frightful words Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

From the Mouth of the Saviour, notice He said to them " I never knew you" now this means at no time ever were they His Sheep to which it is said Jn 10:14

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Christ even knows His Lost Sheep Lk 15:3-6

And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

This means all lost men are not His Sheep, if they were, then He Lied in Matt 7:23 when He told those men He Never knew them !

And of course scripture is specific in making clear that Christ died for those He knew, His Sheep Jn 10:15

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

However scripture is not clear that He died for those He never knew as His Sheep. The Lost men and women that He says " I never knew you" are the children of the devil, the tares, the seed of the serpent, who never first sinned in Adam !
 
savedbygrace57 said:
To those whom shall yet hear these frightful words Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

From the Mouth of the Saviour, notice He said to them " I never knew you" now this means at no time ever were they His Sheep to which it is said Jn 10:14

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Christ even knows His Lost Sheep Lk 15:3-6

And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

This means all lost men are not His Sheep, if they were, then He Lied in Matt 7:23 when He told those men He Never knew them !

And of course scripture is specific in making clear that Christ died for those He knew, His Sheep Jn 10:15

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

However scripture is not clear that He died for those He never knew as His Sheep. The Lost men and women that He says " I never knew you" are the children of the devil, the tares, the seed of the serpent, who never first sinned in Adam !
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Try Rom_5:8 But God commends His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

John O
 
savedbygrace57 said:
Matt 7:


22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those who Jesus will utter these momentous words to, I never knew you, though they had been extremely religious, professed believers in Him, yet they never really trusted in Him..
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Jesus did not know them for they were not doing the will of the Father in heaven, v21, but instead they were working iniquity...not obeying God's will = iniquity. This means for Jesus to know you, you must do/obey the will of the Father and not work iniquity but work righteousness, Acts 10:35....doing God's will = righteousness.

Verse 24 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Verse 26 "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:"

It seems you are assuming that Jesus never knew them based upon the false ideas of Calvinistic predestination, that Jesus never them and will never know them so they never had any hope of salvation. But the context shows Jesus did not know them for they did not obey God's will, had they obeyed God's will Jesus would have known them...."but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven". The pronoun "he' can be anyone, [not just certain lucky preselected ones], that chooses to obey God's will. "Whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them". Again, "whosoever" refers to anyone that chooses to do Christ's sayings and not just certain ones luckily chosen at random. Those that do choose to obey Christ's sayings Christ will know them.
 
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This means for Jesus to know you, you must do/obey the will of the Father and
not work iniquity but work righteousness
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Thats false , for Christ knew them He Died for even while they were ungodly and enemies and sinners. Rom 5:6-8,10

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So you do not know what you are saying, its fase teaching !
 
savedbygrace57 said:
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Thats false , for Christ knew them He Died for even while they were ungodly and enemies and sinners. Rom 5:6-8,10

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So you do not know what you are saying, its fase teaching !
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In your opening post, you did not include verse 21 of the context, a VERY important part of the context Calvinists generally leave out. Verse 21 explains why Jesus never knew them. You left that verse out to insert your theology.

Mt 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

This verse mirrors what Jesus said in Lk 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"



Those that can call Jesus "Lord", those that will be saved are those that do the will of God, so the saved are not those God supposedly chose at random and unconditionally before the world began.

Jesus never knew them for they never did those things which He said. Had they done those things He said, they could have been saved/they could call Jesus their 'Lord'.

Who are the ones Jesus knows and why does He know them?

Jn 10:14 "I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine."

Jesus knows His sheep. So how/why is one a sheep of Jesus?

Jn 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"

So to qualify as one of Jesus' sheep that He knows, one must hear and follow Him which is the same as doing those things which He has said, doing the will of the Father. Had those in Mt 7:23 did the will of God, heard and follow Jesus they would be His sheep that He knows.

Yet not doing God's will = working iniquity. God accepts those that work righteousness, Acts 10:35.

And nowhere do we remotely find Calvinistic predestination in any of this.
 
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Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel;
Gal 1:7 which is not another gospel only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so say I now again, if any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema.
 
I never knew you !


Those Christ shall say to them, " I never knew you", He never knew them in Love and Election, and so He never purposed to save them !

Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
savedbygrace57 said:
Sorry, Christ did not die for anyone he says to them I never knew you..
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That's a bold statement and a very prideful one as well. I find it very interesting that everyone I know that holds that position is always one that believes that they are of the privileged few. From the verses you use in your previous posts it seems there are those who will know Scripture, quote it, and minster all in the name of Jesus, but in the end have no real relationship with Him. I wonder just how many hold the view that you do yet are one's that resemble what Jesus is describing. Salvation is available to whoever believes (Mark 16:16). John 3:16-17 clearly is inclusive of all humanity. "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn it but that the world through Him might be saved (v.17). So, Jesus clearly came to save humanity and not condemn it, yet, we through that type of theology condemn others. Kind of seems like a complete disregard for Jesus' instructions to the disciples when He told them "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you" (John 20:21).
 
I never knew you !

Matt 7:22-23

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This is merely another way of Jesus Christ telling these people that He never died for them, for you were not of my Sheep ! For Jesus has made it clear here that those He died for He did know Jn 10:14-15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

So its quite plain from Jesus own words that those He stated unto " I never knew you ", He did not lay down His Life for or in behalf of ! But also, Christ in His Death did also act as High Priest and was also the offering of the High Priest, and in this He was an antitype of Aaorn, the High Priest of God's Chosen People Israel according to the OLD Covenant, and it was as he delivered the blood of the offering before the Mercy Seat of God, He had to know the names of them whom he represented before God, for this is seen here in the scripture Ex 28:9-12,29

9 And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel:

10 Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth.

11 With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold.

12 And thou shalt put the two stones upon the shoulders of the ephod for stones of memorial unto the children of Israel: and Aaron shall bear their names before the Lord upon his two shoulders for a memorial.

29 And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy place, for a memorial before the Lord continually.

He had to bear the names of them for whom He offered, and so it was in this sense that Christ tells those of Matt 7:23 " I never knew you " to be of them for whom I offered Myself in your behalf, in the things pertaining to God Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

They in Matt 7:23 were not of that People ,He had to and did make reconciliation for their sins, if so, He lied when He told them " I never knew you "
 
I never knew you !

Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This statement from the Mouth of the Saviour is a clear indication that He did not die for those individuals the statement was directed to, hence therefore He did not given Himself for all individuals without exception, for He NEVER knew them ! Emphasis is on the Word NEVER ! It means, not ever at anytime did He know them ! Now with this fact in mind, Lets read Jesus other statement here Jn 10:14

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Now correspondingly the word know as in know my sheep and the word knew as in I never knew you, are the same greek word which is ginōskō

to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel

a) to become known

2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of

a) to understand

b) to know

3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman

4) to become acquainted with, to know

The word means in both instances knowing as in a Favorable sense or in a relational sense, and intimately. He never was their Kinsman Redeemer or Shepherd !


But now Jesus speaking as the Shepherd, who layed down His Life for the Sheep, states clearly that He knows His Sheep !

Now if this be the case, the ones He spake unto in Matt 7:23, could not have been His Sheep hat He knows in Jn 10:14, which are the ones He layed down His Life for Jn 10:15

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

The Sheep that He say He knows ! Now could He be knowing them as His Sheep and they be in a Lost state ? Yes and I will explain next !
 
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Even when one of Jesus Sheep is in a Lost state, He stills knows them, and they are nevertheless His Sheep while being in a Lost condition, this we know by the parable of the Lost Sheep Lk 15:3-6

3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that[Sheep] which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

Now notice Vs 6 carefully " I have found MY SHEEP which was Lost !

Now compare that with Jesus statement in Jn 10:14

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.


So Matt 7:23 is an indictment against those those He spake to, that He never knew them, He never Loved them [intimacy] and that He never died for them, even in light of the things they uttered sincerely in Matt 7:22

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
 
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