[ Testimony ] I was poisoned , nearly died and saw the Lord

[whitney]

I say out of context because you quote them individually. What you have posted here is correct. We will suffer, we should be like Christ, and we should have control over our flesh.

As it relates to faith and healing, these have no contextual significance. They are 'out of context' in this context. If anything, we should understand that we WILL suffer, even while our bodies are wasting away. We should be like Christ, loving not our own life, but desiring to do the will of the Father. We should take control of our flesh, putting to death the deeds of it, even if this means removing a limb, not praying and having "faith" that it will be 'healed'.

Faith requires action. If our faith is founded in the 'hear and now' then that is where our actions will be. If its in the kingdom to come, the completion of what is taking place now, then thats where our actions will be. We cannot focus on one, without loosing sight of the other. Our bodies WILL stay here. Focus on them and you loose focus on the spiritual body to be given you when Christ comes.

First you say they are out of context, then you say they are correct. And then you defend them within the context. It's very difficult to take one of those scriptures out of context and make them mean something else, they are straight forward scripture, really no explanations needed.

 

[Nathan]

First you say they are out of context, then you say they are correct. And then you defend them within the context. It's very difficult to take one of those scriptures out of context and make them mean something else, they are straight forward scripture, really no explanations needed.

If you look at what I was speaking toward you would see the 'context' I was making the statement, I made, in.

In his original post he had more verses that were taken out of context. Then he replied with only a few of the ones he originally posted, which in their context, were correctly used. The other ones, which he did not use the second time, were not used in their context that they originally were written in.

There is a lot of Scripture that can be brought out and stand alone in the Truth it presents. Jesus did this when He rebuked Satan.

Satan used Scripture out of context;

Mat 4:5-6 Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written, "'He will command his angels concerning you,' and "'On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.'"

Was this true? Is this simply misquoted?

Psalm 91:11-12 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways. On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.

Sounds right on track to me. Imagine that, Satan quoting Scripture. But what did Jesus say?

Mat 4:7 Jesus said to him, "Again it is written, 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.'"

Satan was correct, the Scriptures said what they did. But Satan took them out of context. Jesus simply acknowledges this by providing added 'weight' to fully ground the true intention of the passage in Psalms.

We cannot take one passage, one little verse, one sentence, and apply a whole theology around it without making sure it agree's with the rest of God's Word. However, there are times when we can take passages and understand them to be true for what they say and how they say it.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Point blank. No exceptions. No one comes to the Father but through Jesus. This is an example of a verse that would be next to impossible to take out of context, although I am sure someone could/would try. Ok, so lets try?

Jesus says in this verse that He is the truth. That means that God is not truth or the Spirit is not truth. Right? Thats what He says...does that mean it is correct?

 

[Jake]

Jhn 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Point blank. No exceptions. No one comes to the Father but through Jesus. This is an example of a verse that would be next to impossible to take out of context, although I am sure someone could/would try. Ok, so lets try?

Jesus says in this verse that He is the truth. That means that God is not truth or the Spirit is not truth. Right? Thats what He says...does that mean it is correct?

I did not take anything out of context.

Concerning the scripture above It's true for God, too, seems how Jesus IS God.
You're into separation, aren't you? Separating Jesus from God - impossible! Separating the laws - impossible!

 

[Nathan]

I did not take anything out of context.

Concerning the scripture above It's true for God, too, seems how Jesus IS God.
You're into separation, aren't you? Separating Jesus from God - impossible! Separating the laws - impossible!

Separation? It is interesting. I make an example of something that is COMPLETELY ridiculous, and it is not seen for what it says. Instead, it is interpreted for what the reader thinks I have said. Not caring about the author of the post, what his desire was.

If we would take a step back, we might just see that our preconceived idea's of each other hinder our love for one another.

No Rockie. I am not into 'separation'. It is true for God also. That is my point. The idea was to point out that passages can be taken out of context IF they want to be. Which you have so beautifully illustrated by calling out my fallacy. But please, take a minute, and understand that I was NOT saying that it was so, but rather making a point. This is clear if you simply look at my wording and punctuation.

Point blank. No exceptions. No one comes to the Father but through Jesus. This is an example of a verse that would be next to impossible to take out of context, although I am sure someone could/would try. Ok, so lets try?

See, I was what we call being "factitious". I was making an argument that was ridiculous, but could be done if someone wanted to. It is obvious to US that this passage does not imply separation. But if someone was already biased to that idea, then they could take this passage and try to make an argument toward it. However, it would be taken out of "context". Because that is NOT what Christ is saying when He made the statement.

Just a kind word of advice; always check your fruit before giving.