If Jesus Was God, Who Do You Say This Jesus Spoke Of?

[for_his_glory]

Then why dont you believe him own who he said he was in God instead of others opinions about him?

I do not search for opinions, but search that of what Jesus has already told us about himself.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

 

[for_his_glory]

Then why dont you believe him own who he said he was in God instead of others opinions about him?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.





Ys and I quoted about what he did speak of himself and his God who sent him.


First -- Gods Spirit is not a person at all. Second the person can only receive the mind, or Spirit the mind is referred to, that minds knowledge of.

All that you are doing is making excuses not to have the mind of Christ, anointed of Gods spirit of mind.



Not one place did Jesus say he was God and not Gods son, and you cannot quote anywhere where he did. All that you are doing is quoting mans own opinions for who they thought Jesus was, just as you are doing from your own beliefs.

Now you are gettin it. God is a Spirit nothing more or anything less, and man is the recipient of His same Spirit of mind, knowledge. Jesus was very clear in that in Luke 17:20-21.

1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an Ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the Baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

 

[for_his_glory]

There’s a problem with that because the gospels don’t organically appear in the Bible. They are called the gospel according to John, Luke, Matthew etc. The people who hung around with Jesus as his apostles didn’t actually write the gospels. In fact the gospels were written long after these men had died and then the Roman church decided what was going to go in the collection of books that we call the Bible.

Another thing we must consider is that when you go online and look up scripture there’s a whole bunch of stuff that says what one particular or another one actually means. So it seems to me that anybody should be able to read scripture and understand it but apparently they’re also thoughts of arguments among some of the most here erudite biblical scholars as to what a lot of them mean.

People have argued about what’s scripture means. The example of that is the fact that there are all these different doctrines and different churches.

I'm sorry, but what you have posted here is heresy against God who through the Holy Spirit inspired the Apostles to write of their witness and testify of Christ Jesus and what He taught them.

2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Elijah7777]

Sich to who Jesus said he was in God

For me Jesus was fully man and can relate to understand how I feel. Even He want to Calvery and suffered for us. How can we ask for anything more than that? So we love Him because He first loved us.

 

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But the beliefs of these exclude you from their beliefs dont they?

Are you asking if the beliefs of Mormons, etc., exclude me from their beliefs? Yes, they do, and rightly so, because none of those belong to Christianity, to Christ. They are "believers" in that they believe in something, but they are not believers in the NT sense--they are not followers of Jesus.

Amen -- That has been my motto all along. Sich to who Jesus said he was in god and we should be the very same and in Gods same image that He creates man to be in His same Spiritual image by the Spirit of mind that He is. It is who we are, not what we are though some mans beliefs for a god bout it.

No, that is going beyond what Scripture says, while at the same time ignoring other things. There are two equal but opposite errors--adding to Scripture and ignoring parts of Scripture. You're doing both.

Only God Himself Who is a Spirit of Love and man is the kingdom in which He lives as Jesus said in Luke 17:20-21, opens up in us who He is and all of His heaven in us and not even Jesus could escape that fact in Matt 3:16 so stick with what it says for sure. Good advice.

Again, no. I have already addressed this. Luke 17:20 is not saying that the kingdom of God lives in man. It makes no sense to say that since he was speaking to the Pharisees, the same ones that he demolishes in Matt. 23. There is simply no way that Jesus would say "the kingdom of God is within you."
Rather, he is saying that he is the one bringing God's kingdom among them, just as he does elsewhere:

Luk 10:8 Whenever you enter a town and they receive you, eat what is set before you.
Luk 10:9 Heal the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’
Luk 10:10 But whenever you enter a town and they do not receive you, go into its streets and say,
Luk 10:11 ‘Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’ (ESV)

The kingdom of God came "near," that is, in physical proximity, to both those people who received the disciples and who saw them heal the sick, and to those who did not receive the disciples. But it was not within them, that is, inside of them; it only came near.

The kingdom of God is the reign of God on the earth, in every sphere.

SO God did not come to Jesus by the Spirit that God is and open in Jesus all of His heaven and who He is in Jesus in Matt 3:16? Take your own advice and follow what the book says.

No. Jesus knew from a young age who he was, although he was still growing in wisdom:

Luk 2:41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover.
Luk 2:42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom
Luk 2:43 And when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it,
...
Luk 2:46 After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.
Luk 2:47 And all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.
Luk 2:48 And when his parents saw him, they were astonished. And his mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been searching for you in great distress.”
Luk 2:49 And he said to them, “Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?” (ESV)

What happened in Matt. 3:16 was only for the benefit of those around him, as I have already stated. We even have John the Baptist's testimony to this fact:

Joh 1:32 And John bore witness: “I saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him.
Joh 1:33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
Joh 1:34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.” (ESV)

It was to inaugurate Jesus's ministry and indicate to John and others that Jesus was the Messiah, but it effected no actual change in Jesus.

God is in all who will receive Him as Jesus did.

No, Jesus never "received" God. Jesus is God in human flesh. We receive him, Jesus, and the Father through Jesus. The only way to receive salvation is to put repent and put one's trust in Jesus and his work.

But it seems that you exclude yourself from Him, and fall under the beliefs of your own as Jim Jons, David Koresh, Warrn Jefs, Catholics, Mormons, and the alike did and do.

No, my beliefs line up with historic, orthodox Christianity, unlike those you list, and yourself.

So did the Jews prove Jesus was wrong and had him crucified for being wrong. Truth is Jesus was innocent of all of man false beliefs about him claiming to be God. and still is today. And Jesus is still innocent of mans false charges accusing him of being God instead of Gods child, His son.

Jesus is God. To deny that is to deny who he is; it is to put oneself outside of salvation.

 

[Free]

Take your own advice and believe what is written. Here try and follow what is written who Jesus said he was in God. Y0ou dont even believe what you read of Jesus, that is very obvious. you believe what others said about hi, from their own perspectives.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

As I stated earlier, Jesus says a lot more than this. To base your arguments on just these things is to proof-text, to take them out of context, and so misunderstand the fullness of what Jesus said.

I just quoted what Jesus said said from his own mouth. You might try following what he said about himself and his God who sent him to show you the way to have the same in you who was in Christ Jesus.

Yeah, you've tried this already and then ignored the passages I gave of other things Jesus said. And so you end up in serious error.

That's the very problem, you yourself is trying to make sense of any of this instead of letting God come to you and open in you all of His heaven where He makes His sense in you, that way it leaves out your own opinions about it. But that isnt going to happen is it, you are to proud of yourself to let God come and open in you His truths.

No, I have the Holy Spirit as a child of God. I stand on the truth. If you repent of your sins, put your faith in Christ and his work on the cross, God will fill you with his Spirit as well, and begin to guide you to the truths of Scripture, especially of himself.

I dont have a belief at all, God is manifest in me and His reality of His truths.

That much is clear, but that is not how it works.

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (ESV)

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (ESV)

Joh 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (ESV)

You however all that you can relate to is a belief without anything substantial that God puts within man by the Spirit of Mind that he is. Birn again with that same renewing as Jesus received in Matt 3:16. God would open in you if you would deny yourself in your own ways and receive from God as Jesus denied his own was as rabbi for the jewish belief system and received the truth from God Himself that obviously you do not believe Matt 3:16 ever happened.

That is to completely ignore everything I have stated. I clearly believe that Matt. 3:16 happened, I just know that it didn't happen for the reasons you think it did.

If you need Paul instead of God as Jesus needed God to free hi from mans teachings, then so be it, Paul is your god, your way and the ways of Jesus sin the Father goes by the wayside.

Again, I've dealt with this. It would be great if you actually addressed what I state, thoroughly, rather than repeating your claims which have been refuted.

As for me Jesus had it all right by identification with the same father in me who was in him. Your identity is with other men one such as Pauls doctrine that you see as truth instead of God Himself giving you His truths. Paul didnt have it right, Jesus had it right. Jesus dint say let Paul be in me as Paul was in Jesus. Jesus said let the same Spirit of God be in me who was in Hism, and that came to be. How? By stop listing to what man says about it and see ye first the kingdom of Goid instead the kingdom of man.

As I have already stated, Paul completely agrees with Jesus. To disagree with Paul is to disagree with Jesus.

Where is that kingdom? Take your own advice and stick with what Jesus said in the Bible in Luke 17:20-21, But obviously you will not, you are smarter than Jesus was obviously.

You have been significantly refuted in all of this. Please learn how to properly study and understand the Bible. You seem to have gone off on your own and have fallen into all sorts of error.

 

[Free]

Deuteronomy 32:4 (KJV)​

The KJV uses the word judgment but this is the word justice that we find in other books of the Bible. Esp the Psalms with David. Is that what you want to do is a word study on this word?

Ok, this is verse Exodus 33:13 “Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee…”
And from BibleBC’s study:

Are you saying you do not agree with this interpretation of the Bible? I attended a church called Grace Cathedral. Because that was the name of the church, I did not question their teaching on the word Grace. This is the first time I have looked at what the Bible (Moses) says. WE could look at how this applies to Jesus also.

Luke 4:22 a "And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth.".

I understand this to mean the word that transform people. The grace of God, the word of God does a work in us to transform us into the people of God. This is what it means to be born again and a new Creation in Christ. To put on the Mind of Christ.

Please follow closely what I am about to say. As to the one point:

You stated: 'Justice is one of the beatitudes. I find it is best to get a book to help us understand them. Or AI now a days. "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for justice, for they shall be filled.” (Matthew 5:6)'

I replied: 'Which translation is that? . . .. I can find no translation that mentions “justice;” they all say “righteousness.'

So, can you see that you posted a translation of Matt. 5:6 and it was that verse that I am asking about? Deut. 32:4 and Ex. 33:13 don't have anything to do with what I was asking. I'm specifically asking you to provide the translation you used for Matt. 5:6, since I can find none that say "justice;" they all say "righteousness."


As to the other point:

You stated: "Then a third sermon would be on how the Grace of God and the Justice of God work together."

I replied: "How do they work together? They are pretty much opposites (along with mercy)—justice is getting what you deserve; grace is getting what you don’t deserve; (mercy is not getting what you deserve)."

Do you see that I'm not asking about grace, but that I'm asking how grace and justice work together, as you claimed? Do you see that I ask because grace and justice "are pretty much opposites," so I don't see how they can work together?

As I stated in another thread and you might have missed, you seem to be confusing "justice" with either "righteousness" or "justification." And although righteousness and justification are related, all three words refer to something different.