If Jesus Was God, Who Do You Say This Jesus Spoke Of?

[GaryMac]

If Jesus was God, then who do you say this Jesus spoke of who sent him to show us Gods ways for us to be?

Can you answer without editing it and adding into it your own beliefs for it in who Jesus said he was in God?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

 

[Hidden In Him]

If Jesus was God, then who do you say this Jesus spoke of who sent him to show us Gods ways for us to be?

Can you answer without editing it and adding into it your own beliefs for it in who Jesus said he was in God?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

The Father. Why?

 

[Elijah7777]

Can you answer without editing it and adding into it your own beliefs for it in who Jesus said he was in God?

Perhaps you should read what John says about this "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." 1John1:18 Jesus is the Son, God is the Father. Jesus is the door keeper to determine who can dwell in the house or tent of tabernacle. He uses the word Gate.

In the old days they had walled cities. There was a chance you could be thrown out and locked out and not allowed to enter back into the city. We have a modern version of that today where they lock people off of their web site.

 

[GaryMac]

The Father. Why?

Because most falsely accuse Jesus of being God even though he was very clear that he was not and God was the One that he obeyed.

 

[Henry]

Because most falsely accuse Jesus of being God even though he was very clear that he was not and God was the One that he obeyed.

The term God is used for the unit consisting of three persons, the Father, His Son Jesus, and His Spirit, the Holy Spirit who dwells in believers now. They are not 3 gods, but one God consisting of 3 persons. One can see it as a family unit with the Father, the Son, Jesus, and the helper or a company with the Father as the CEO, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit as directors. We know it because in Genesis 1:26 we read: Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..." We also Jesus is God from 1 John 5:20: "We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."

 

[GaryMac]

Perhaps you should read what John says about this "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." 1John1:18 Jesus is the Son, God is the Father. Jesus is the door keeper to determine who can dwell in the house or tent of tabernacle. He uses the word Gate.

SO you are not Gods son, His child and God had only one child a son? That leaves you completely out of being His child and His family doesnt it? I would guess that you follow another who tried to adopt his own ways into that family instead of being born of God His child as Jesus was.

And we who are born of God, born again, are exactly as Jesus was in the Father when Jesus mind was renewed by God and God opened in him who He is and all of His heaven in that man just as He does in us all who is born again of God as Jesus was in Matt 3:16. And we who are born of God just as Jesus was it is impossible for us to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God. just as Jesus was without sin. 1 John 3:9, read it.

Perhaps you should read who Jesus said he was in God as I quoted of him in the OP who he said he was in God. You didnt even read who he said he was did you, or you would not have tried to sidestep from who Jesus said he was in God as His son.

And Jesus doesnt decide at all who is of Gods kingdom. That is your decision to work out your own salvation for whether you accept the same God in you as Jesus accepted in himself in Matt 3:16 that Jesus said you must have if you are to be of Gods kingdom, All Jesus could do is tell you who you should be in the same Father and perfect even as your Father in heaven as Jesus was perfected in Him and let that same mind, Spirit, be in you who was in Christ Jesus. That decision is not Jesus decision at all, that is yours, but it was Jesus will that you be for sure.

Here is what Jesus said about that in Luke 17:20-21. The kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is with you. Not many believe Jesus in that at all do they?

As as far as no one has ever seen God, Jesus was very clear to Thomas that Gos who is a Spirit doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me. And in 1 John 3:2 when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well, but all that you see of a God is a man instead of the one you see can only with spiritual eyes be your own disposition and like Him.

In the old days they had walled cities. There was a chance you could be thrown out and locked out and not allowed to enter back into the city. We have a modern version of that today where they lock people off of their web site.

Same today. If I go into one of these establishments of law as I did here in this forum and tell you that you are supposed to be exactly as Jesus was in the Father as Jesus even prayed to his God for you to be in John 17, and anointed of Him to be that person of Christ who is Gods anointed as Jesus was. There is a huge chance I will be rejected and expelled just as Jesus was by the same who only had their own beliefs for a god instead of being like Him as Jesus said you would If you obeyed and received from God yourself as he obeyed and received as I quoted in the OP.

And Jesus was very clear that if I do as he did in the Father I would be treated the very same as he was by the same who only had beliefs for a god instead of knowing and being in the same image of the One Jesus was the image of in yourself.


Very few believe what Jesus said you would be IF, and every stipulation that Jesus placed came with an IF.
IF YOU WILL ! If you will what, is the real issue here.

 

[Henry]

If Jesus was God, then who do you say this Jesus spoke of who sent him to show us Gods ways for us to be?

Can you answer without editing it and adding into it your own beliefs for it in who Jesus said he was in God?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

The term God is used for the unit consisting of three persons, the Father, His Son Jesus, and His Spirit, the Holy Spirit who dwells in believers now. They are not 3 gods, but one God consisting of 3 persons. One can see it as a family unit with the Father, the Son, Jesus, and the helper or a company with the Father as the CEO, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit as directors. We know it because in Genesis 1:26 we read: Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..." We also Jesus is God from 1 John 5:20: "We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."

 

[Elijah7777]

I would guess that you follow another who tried to adopt his own ways into that family instead of being born of God His child as Jesus was.

God does not give you the ability to judge me. You can ONLY judge your own heart. Sometimes people can not deal with themselves so they project who they are out on others.

 

[GaryMac]

The term God is used for the unit consisting of three persons, the Father, His Son Jesus, and His Spirit, the Holy Spirit who dwells in believers now.

God is a Spirit not a person only resides in persons. H win me and I in Him are one just as Jesus prayed to his God for me to be in John 19. God is a Spirit, H his the Father of my Spirit, mind, and I am His son, these three are one. H win me and I in Him are one. SO was Jesus the same.

They are not 3 gods, but one God consisting of 3 persons.

Again God is not a person at all. God who is a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see Jesus, Jesus was very clear in that to Thomas.

One can see it as a family unit with the Father, the Son, Jesus, and the helper or a company with the Father as the CEO, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit as directors. We know it because in Genesis 1:26 we read: Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..."

And when Adam gains the same knowldge from God Himself just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16, they became like God to know that diffedrence from a mind in carnality who only has a belief for a God the difference from actually meeting the One who is a Spirit of Love and became like Him and in His same image instead of the laws for a belief about a god. Adam received and became like Him to know this difference proven in Gen 3;22, and Jesus received the very same proven in Matt 3:16.

We also Jesus is God from 1 John 5:20: "We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."

You only know Jesus was a god from lack in receiving the same knowledge of God that Jesus received and Adam received, Abraham received, Moses received, Mary Received, Jesus received in Matt 3:16 120 in an upper room received. All of these excluding none of them, received the very same knowledge of mind, Spirit, from God Himself.

As long as your god if flesh and a man as a god, you never will know the God who was in that man and all of these who became like Himm to know this difference from a carnal man as a god from the only One who is a Spirit of Love and man is the temple of Him

Jesus was very clear that the kingdom of God does not come with observation but is with you, or is supposed to be, Luke 17:20-21. But as long as a man is a god then you will never meet the god who was in that man yourself.

Truth is He is at your door this day, knocking and anyone who will let Hi in He will come to you, and sup with you and be in you. Rev 3:20. But you would have to do as Jesus did Matt 3:16 and the rest of these who we read of who opened that door and let Him.

 

[Free]

If Jesus was God, then who do you say this Jesus spoke of who sent him to show us Gods ways for us to be?

Can you answer without editing it and adding into it your own beliefs for it in who Jesus said he was in God?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

If Jesus was God in human flesh, and if he was one divine person within the one being that is God, then how should we expect him to refer to the Father and speak to the Father while maintaining monotheism?

If Jesus wasn't both truly God and man, then who or what was he?

 

[GaryMac]

God does not give you the ability to judge me.

Sure He does your salvation is in your own hands where you are to be like Him and in His same image or not and walk in it as He walks in it. To be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, Matt 5;48 isnt His decision at all, it is yours where to be or not to be. All He can do is tell you who you are supposed to be and that judgment is your own where to accept Him in His ways or dictate to yourself purely from a belief about Him instead. God is not going to force you into anything, He has left that judgment up to you. .

You can ONLY judge your own heart. Sometimes people can not deal with themselves so they project who they are out on others.

That is exactly what I said, you are judge for who you are and can only compare yourself with the example God sent for us to be like named Jesus. Either you are or you are not as that example He sent for us to be like. If you are any different from the one God sent to show us His ways to be ourselves, then that projection is obscured though a belief instead of the reality of being in His same image that God creates man to be.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Because most falsely accuse Jesus of being God even though he was very clear that he was not and God was the One that he obeyed.

Jesus very clearly identified Himself as God and the entire early church did as well. But before getting into that, how are you defining yourself as a Christian if you do not believe Jesus Christ is God?

 

[for_his_glory]

1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an Ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the Baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

3. After the sacrifice of Christ God raised Him from the grave and as He had to ascend back up to heaven the promise was that He would never leave us or forsake us as when He ascended He sent down the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) to indwell all who will believe in Christ and His finished works on the cross. In the OT Gods Spirit fell on them for a time and purpose under heaven. Now we are indwelled with that power and authority through Gods grace that the Holy Spirit now works in us and through us teaching all things God wants us to learn. All three are Spiritual and Spiritual awaking's in us to know the will of God and walk in His statures. John 16:7-15

Ephesians 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water (word) and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water (word), and the blood: and these three agree in one.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit as all three coequal Gods Spirit.

Jesus being the right arm of God. Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Jesus is the word of God. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jesus is word, light and life that is God come in the flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Gods Holy Spirit has come to indwell us and teach us. John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8


Scriptures that refer the Holy Spirit as being God:
Psalms 139:7, 8; John 14:17; 16:13; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 11; Zechariah 4:6; Luke 1:35; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; Titus 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; Jude 1:20

 

[GaryMac]

If Jesus was God in human flesh,

He wasnt, God was in His flesh and came to be when Jesus was about 30 years old proven in Matt 3:16.

and if he was one divine person within the one being that is God, then how should we expect him to refer to the Father and speak to the Father while maintaining monotheism?

Just as was quoted of Jesus in the OP, read it for who he said he was in his God that he obeyed and prayed to. If the doctrine of man is a god it is only a cary over from Egyptian and Greek mythology who also worshiped men as gods. Truth is in Luke 17:20-21 from Jesus himself but who is going to believe him, you? When he said the kingdom of God does not come with observation but is with you.

And Jesus was very clear to Thomas that God who is a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see me.

If Jesus wasn't both truly God and man, then who or what was he?

Same as we all are His child, His sons and daughters. If God had only one child a son, and you are not His child by birth being born again of God Himself as Jesus was in Matt 3:16, the you are non of his. And most follow another and try to be adopted into Gods kingdom by law instead of being born again of God Himself with that same renewing go mind that Jesus received in att 3:16 from God Himself.

How can you say you are a child of God if He had only One? Are

Jesus very clearly identified Himself as God and the entire early church did as well. But before getting into that, how are you defining yourself as a Christian if you do not believe Jesus Christ is God?

First -- SO you think Jesus was speaking of himself when he said this of himself and his God who sent him?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

Second -- As far as me being Christian, same Spirit of God is in me who was in Christ Jesus. I let this same mind of God be in me who was in Christ Jesus. Christ in me is the same anointing in me as Jesus received from God. Christ is not a man, Christ is the disposition of man who is anointed of God to have His same dis[position of mind, which simply is Love. And either one is like which would be Christ in you or one is not. As for Jesus he to was anointed of Gods Spirit of Love.

A Christian is Gods anointed. We walk as He walks in His same light of Love that God is for God is Love and man is the place He relies. Luke 17:20-21.

 

[GaryMac]

1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an Ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the Baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

Jesus didnt even know the Spirit of God until he was about 30 years old proven in Matt 3:16. Nor does any0ne else until God Himself reveals in us who He is and all of his heaven in us just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16

Jesus wasnt the first to be anointed of God Adam was proven in Gen 3;22. He was the first to become like God to know the difference from man ideas for a god in carnality and the God who is a Spirit and an is the place He resides.

3. After the sacrifice of Christ God raised Him from the grave and as He had to ascend back up to heaven the promise was that He would never leave us or forsake us as when He ascended He sent down the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) to indwell all who will believe in Christ and His finished works on the cross. In the OT Gods Spirit fell on them for a time and purpose under heaven. Now we are indwelled with that power and authority through Gods grace that the Holy Spirit now works in us and through us teaching all things God wants us to learn. All three are Spiritual and Spiritual awaking's in us to know the will of God and walk in His statures. John 16:7-15

But Christ didnt die, cannot die, Christ is Gods Spirit and anointed man with His Spirit to be in His same image and walk in it as He walks in it. Jesus the man died but not Gods anointing lives on today. He in me and I in Him are one. John 17.

Ephesians 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Just as He was in Jesus.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water (word) and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water (word), and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Gods Spirit in man is the only truth, everything else is pure speculations about it.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit as all three coequal Gods Spirit.

God is a Spirit, I am His son, because He is the Father of my Spirit. And yes these three are one. Jesus prayed to his God that I be in John 17. But that doesnt make me God no more then it made Jesus a God, we both have the same Father who is God. Jesus was my brother.

Jesus being the right arm of God. Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

The right hand of God is His Spirit in man who will receive Him and obey Him to walk as He walks.

Jesus is the word of God.

The word of God is in all men who has received from God Himself His word as Jesus did in Matt 3:16.
It is not written on stone nor in ink but in my heart and mind. It is who I am not what I am.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

People read that then turn right around and falsely accuse Jesus of being God in spit of what he said of himself and his God who sent him.

Jesus is word, light and life that is God come in the flesh.

So are we all who has received from God the very same as Jesus did in Matt 3:16.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

In the beginning of every mans salvation is the word, no one escapes this if they are to know God in who he is.

Gods Holy Spirit has come to indwell us and teach us. John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Amen and Jesus said in John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Jesus never ever claimed he was God and not Gods son and actually stated he wasnt God in the OP that I quoted from Jesus himself in who he said he was in God that he called Father of his Spirit.

Scriptures that refer the Holy Spirit as being God:
Psalms 139:7, 8; John 14:17; 16:13; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 11; Zechariah 4:6; Luke 1:35; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; Titus 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; Jude 1:20

God is a Spirit and man is the temple of Him, the place He resides in all who will receive Him to be that temple of Him. Luke 17:20-21.

 

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He wasnt, God was in His flesh and came to be when Jesus was about 30 years old proven in Matt 3:16.

Firstly, my question was clearly hypothetical. Second, what do you mean by "God was in His flesh and came to be when Jesus was about 30 years old"? If you mean what I think you mean, that is the ancient heresy of Adoptionism.

Just as was quoted of Jesus in the OP, read it for who he said he was in his God that he obeyed and prayed to.

Right. If that is your answer to my hypothetical, then Jesus's statements that you give in the OP are irrelevant as to whether or not he is also truly God. And that is my point. Jesus, being also truly God, but not the Father, spoke of and to the Father in heaven as one would expect in order to maintain monotheism.

But, note that he also spoke in such a way not only to not diminish his own deity, but to actually affirm it.

If the doctrine of man is a god it is only a cary over from Egyptian and Greek mythology who also worshiped men as gods.

I'm not clear on what you're saying here. Are you saying that some believe Jesus is a god? That is true, but that is the error of only JWs. Jesus is truly and fully both man and God.

Truth is in Luke 17:20-21 from Jesus himself but who is going to believe him, you? When he said the kingdom of God does not come with observation but is with you.

The truth is in the entirety of Scripture. Taking one verse or one passage while ignoring a plethora of others is to take things out of context and simply prooftext.

Luk 17:20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed,
Luk 17:21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.” (ESV)

Jesus was the one bringing and inaugurating the kingdom of God. His point is that his "kingdom is not of this world," in such a way that it would mean his "servants would [be] fighting" to establish it. That was to show that his coming was through a change of hearts, not through military force and overthrowing the Romans, as they all expected of the Messiah.

And Jesus was very clear to Thomas that God who is a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see me.

While that is true, it is taken out context and also presents a significant irony. God is spirit, without flesh and bone, but Jesus is God in human flesh, as Paul makes very clear in Phil. 2:5-8. The irony is that Thomas ends up declaring Jesus as his Lord and his God, without a rebuke from Jesus. That would have been blasphemy if Jesus wasn't truly God.

Same as we all are His child, His sons and daughters. If God had only one child a son, and you are not His child by birth being born again of God Himself as Jesus was in Matt 3:16, the you are non of his. And most follow another and try to be adopted into Gods kingdom by law instead of being born again of God Himself with that same renewing go mind that Jesus received in att 3:16 from God Himself.

How can you say you are a child of God if He had only One? Are

This is to completely misread the NT and so misunderstand and misapply the use of the terms "Son/son" and "children of God." Right from the start of John's gospel, he makes it clear that the Son is the Word. In John 1:1 alone, we learn that the Word has always existed (he is eternal, 1:1a), that he was in an intimate, loving relationship with God (1:1b), and that he was God in nature (1:1c).

It's easy to see that the conclusion in 1:1c is based on the first two clauses. To be eternal is to be God, as that is an attribute of God alone; it belongs to God's nature alone. To be in an intimate, loving relationship with God, is to be distinct from God in some way.

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. (ESV)

John then reaffirms these things more succinctly in verse 2. In verse 3, he shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Word was God. Simple, straightforward logic tells us that since "all things were made through" the Word, and that "without him was not any thing made that was made," it necessarily follows that the Word is not something that was made (see also 1 Cor 8:6 and Col 1:16-17). That is, there never was a time when the Word did not exist, which clearly affirms what was said in the two preceding verses.

In case there is any doubt as to the identity of the Word, John makes that clear in verses 10-12:

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
Joh 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.
Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (ESV)

The "he" in those verses can only refer to Jesus. Yet, John says "the world was made through him," which reaffirms what he stated in verse 3. But then he says that it was only those "who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." This is what Paul talks about as Christians being children by adoption.

But, Jesus was not a child by adoption:

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (ESV)

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
...
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (ESV)

Joh 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (ESV)

Jesus is uniquely the Son of God in a way that Christians are not. Christians are sons and daughters by adoption, but Jesus is of the same nature as the Father. Even a cursory study of the use of "Son of God" shows that it has a special significance when used of Jesus that it doesn't apply to others.

 

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Firstly, my question was clearly hypothetical. Second, what do you mean by "God was in His flesh and came to be when Jesus was about 30 years old"? If you mean what I think you mean, that is the ancient heresy of Adoptionism.

God who is a Spirit came to reside in Jesus flesh proven in Matt 3:16.

Right. If that is your answer to my hypothetical, then Jesus's statements that you give in the OP are irrelevant as to whether or not he is also truly God.

Well if Jesus said who he was in the Father is irrelevant then he shouldn't have said it all.

And that is my point. Jesus, being also truly God,

If he was God then he lied as to who he spoke of that I posed to him in the OP. He could do notions at all without his God who sent him. or he was lying?

But, note that he also spoke in such a way not only to not diminish his own deity, but to actually affirm it.

Just as we all do who walk in that same deity of Gods anointing is our own disposition, Christ in us. The deity of God is at work in me just as He was at work in Jesus, Same Spirit in me, same mind in me. same walk as He walks. You are excluding yourself from the deity of Christ to be anointed of God.

I'm not clear on what you're saying here. Are you saying that some believe Jesus is a god?

Oh that is very ver obvious that most say Jesus was God instead of being Gods child, His son.

That is true, but that is the error of only JWs. Jesus is truly and fully both man and God.

Only to those who has never ment the same God as Jesus did in Matt 3;16. A god of flesh, is all they can relate to from a mind that is carnal void of God who is a Spirit and man is the kingdom in which He live. Jesus was clear in that in Luke 17:20-21.

The truth is in the entirety of Scripture. Taking one verse or one passage while ignoring a plethora of others is to take things out of context and simply prooftext.

It is indeed and starting in Adam, God came to man by the Spirit He is and opened up in man who He is by the Spirit He is. from Adam all the way down to all today who will receive Hm as their own disposition of mind, Spirit.

Luk 17:20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed,
Luk 17:21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.” (ESV)

That is what I have been trying to tell you. In your midst, mid, middle of you. In your inner man. You sure try hard to reject who you are supposed to be in God with all these excuses not to have from God Himself.

Jesus was the one bringing and inaugurating the kingdom of God.

No he wasnt, Adam was the very first to become like God to know this different, Gen 3;22, not Jesus, he didnt come along for another 4000 years and receive from God the same as Adam did.

His point is that his "kingdom is not of this world," in such a way that it would mean his "servants would [be] fighting" to establish it.

Amen it is a gift we receive not something we try and be by laws.

That was to show that his coming was through a change of hearts, not through military force and overthrowing the Romans, as they all expected of the Messiah.

Yes Jesus called his change of heart, mind, as born again only after it was opened to him by God Himself.

While that is true, it is taken out context and also presents a significant irony. God is spirit, without flesh and bone, but Jesus is God in human flesh, as Paul makes very clear in Phil. 2:5-8. The irony is that Thomas ends up declaring Jesus as his Lord and his God, without a rebuke from Jesus. That would have been blasphemy if Jesus wasn't truly God.

Well if Jesus was God then so am I, for I have the same mind in me from God Himself as Jesus received from Him.

This is to completely misread the NT and so misunderstand and misapply the use of the terms "Son/son" and "children of God." Right from the start of John's gospel, he makes it clear that the Son is the Word. In John 1:1 alone, we learn that the Word has always existed (he is eternal, 1:1a), that he was in an intimate, loving relationship with God (1:1b), and that he was God in nature (1:1c).

Is it?
Capital letters, didn't appear in the bible until the 14th century when man made his own editing of it from a belief in ignorance foe who God actually is instead of the reality of. This is a distinct sign that the concept didn't become commonplace until around then. The term itself comes from the Latin capit, meaning “head,” because the capital letter came at the “head” of the sentence. If the name son is capitalized it is by the hands of religious minds who didnt have a clue who Jesus was and made assumptions based on ignorance just as most today are doing.

Punctuation wasn't edited in either until about 400 years ago and punctuation can change the whole power in a sentence.

It's easy to see that the conclusion in 1:1c is based on the first two clauses. To be eternal is to be God, as that is an attribute of God alone; it belongs to God's nature alone. To be in an intimate, loving relationship with God, is to be distinct from God in some way.

Eternity is not a time frame it is the state of ones being. Beginning to end. And if it is only confined to God then what is the use in even listening to him. it would mean nothing for us at all.

As far as God never changing, is the same yesterday as is today and will be tomorrow. Love that God is iOS the only thing on this planet that never changes, everything else changes and either you have that same perfection as Adam did to this day as your own disposition or you dont walk in ti a s He walks in it.

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

So is every man, God ciooses all to be of Him, sadly few choose Him to be.

Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. (ESV)

All things Spiritual is made by God who is a Spirit, that of Love. Jesus learned of Him in Matt 3:16. Jesus could do noting at all and said so without that God.

John then reaffirms these things more succinctly in verse 2. In verse 3, he shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Word was God.

Not was is. And man is the pages He writes His word into. Not on stone not in ink but in the hearts and minds of we who has received Him that He gives as a gift.

Simple, straightforward logic tells us that since "all things were made through" the Word, and that "without him was not any thing made that was made," it necessarily follows that the Word is not something that was made (see also 1 Cor 8:6 and Col 1:16-17). That is, there never was a time when the Word did not exist, which clearly affirms what was said in the two preceding verses.

True, The word is not something made at all it is something we receive from God Himself as a gift. You cant earn it, you cant control it, you can manipulate it through beliefs, it is something we receive from God Himself. It is who we become in His same image. that of Love that God is. This isnt rocket science as you are trying to make it is very simple.

In case there is any doubt as to the identity of the Word, John makes that clear in verses 10-12:

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.

Is 45:7. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

And the world still doesnt know him they think he is a man of flesh instead of Spirit who resides in man.

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (ESV)

Only if you are born of God. He gives everyone that right but sadly very few accept that right to be His son.

The "he" in those verses can only refer to Jesus. Yet, John says "the world was made through him," which reaffirms what he stated in verse 3. But then he says that it was only those "who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." This is what Paul talks about as Christians being children by adoption.

The he is a Spirit not a man. And Jesus became his child in Matt 3:16 when he was born of God just as all of these before Jesus who was born of Gods Spirit when He came to them Himself.

But, Jesus was not a child by adoption:

No one is who is born of God.

continued in next post.

 

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God who is a Spirit came to reside in Jesus flesh proven in Matt 3:16.


Well if Jesus said who he was in the Father is irrelevant then he shouldn't have said it all.


If he was God then he lied as to who he spoke of that I posed to him in the OP. He could do notions at all without his God who sent him. or he was lying?


Just as we all do who walk in that same deity of Gods anointing is our own disposition, Christ in us. The deity of God is at work in me just as He was at work in Jesus, Same Spirit in me, same mind in me. same walk as He walks. You are excluding yourself from the deity of Christ to be anointed of God.

Oh that is very ver obvious that most say Jesus was God instead of being Gods child, His son.


Only to those who has never ment the same God as Jesus did in Matt 3;16. A god of flesh, is all they can relate to from a mind that is carnal void of God who is a Spirit and man is the kingdom in which He live. Jesus was clear in that in Luke 17:20-21.

It is indeed and starting in Adam, God came to man by the Spirit He is and opened up in man who He is by the Spirit He is. from Adam all the way down to all today who will receive Hm as their own disposition of mind, Spirit.

That is what I have been trying to tell you. In your midst, mid, middle of you. In your inner man. You sure try hard to reject who you are supposed to be in God with all these excuses not to have from God Himself.

No he wasnt, Adam was the very first to become like God to know this different, Gen 3;22, not Jesus, he didnt come along for another 4000 years and receive from God the same as Adam did.


Amen it is a gift we receive not something we try and be by laws.

Yes Jesus called his change of heart, mind, as born again only after it was opened to him by God Himself.

Well if Jesus was God then so am I, for I have the same mind in me from God Himself as Jesus received from Him.


Is it?
Capital letters, didn't appear in the bible until the 14th century when man made his own editing of it from a belief in ignorance foe who God actually is instead of the reality of. This is a distinct sign that the concept didn't become commonplace until around then. The term itself comes from the Latin capit, meaning “head,” because the capital letter came at the “head” of the sentence. If the name son is capitalized it is by the hands of religious minds who didnt have a clue who Jesus was and made assumptions based on ignorance just as most today are doing.

Punctuation wasn't edited in either until about 400 years ago and punctuation can change the whole power in a sentence.


Eternity is not a time frame it is the state of ones being. Beginning to end. And if it is only confined to God then what is the use in even listening to him. it would mean nothing for us at all.

As far as God never changing, is the same yesterday as is today and will be tomorrow. Love that God is iOS the only thing on this planet that never changes, everything else changes and either you have that same perfection as Adam did to this day as your own disposition or you dont walk in ti a s He walks in it.


So is every man, God ciooses all to be of Him, sadly few choose Him to be.


All things Spiritual is made by God who is a Spirit, that of Love. Jesus learned of Him in Matt 3:16. Jesus could do noting at all and said so without that God.

Not was is. And man is the pages He writes His word into. Not on stone not in ink but in the hearts and minds of we who has received Him that He gives as a gift.


True, The word is not something made at all it is something we receive from God Himself as a gift. You cant earn it, you cant control it, you can manipulate it through beliefs, it is something we receive from God Himself. It is who we become in His same image. that of Love that God is. This isnt rocket science as you are trying to make it is very simple.


Is 45:7. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

And the world still doesnt know him they think he is a man of flesh instead of Spirit who resides in man.



Only if you are born of God. He gives everyone that right but sadly very few accept that right to be His son.


The he is a Spirit not a man. And Jesus became his child in Matt 3:16 when he was born of God just as all of these before Jesus who was born of Gods Spirit when He came to them Himself.


No one is who is born of God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (ESV)

If God had one one child a son. The there is no use for you and I trying to be a child of God is there? But Jesus didnt say that someone else said that about from their own ideas about it. I quoted from Jesus who he said he was in God.

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

And Jesus said.

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

as for me, Jesus has it right.

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Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (ESV)

Beliefs as in, Jiom jones believed in him, David Koresh believed in him. How adopt Warren Jesus who is on prison this day believed in him?

If Jesus didnt say it then I have to question the motives of the motives of those who put into cannon from mans ideas for what should be in a bible and what shouldn't be in a bible. And even edited that.

Joh 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;

And the same sighs follow us all who has received th every same from God as He did, and note Not before Matt 3:16.

Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (ESV)

Most do not believe Jesus was son of God they believe he was God instead.

Jesus is uniquely the Son of God in a way that Christians are not.

There is your answer as to why when Jesus prayed to his God that the same Father be in you and you be in Him as one as Jesus was in the Father and the Father was in Him as one in John 17 that his prayer went by the wayside for you and doesnt cont for anything Jesus period to God for you to be. As for me that prayer was answered by God Himself coming the very same as as He did in Jesus and that started in Adam in Gen 3:22.

Christians are sons and daughters by adoption

Only this who are of their laws to regulate that belief. But we who are not adopted and born of God as Jesus was in Matt 3:16 as Adam was, as Abraham was, as Moses was, as Mary was as 120 was by the very same spirit come to all of these. are not adopted by law but by birth. Born again of God Himself. You are only trying to adopt yourself int His kingdom. You follow Paul in adoption instead of Jesus to be born again is all.

, but Jesus is of the same nature as the Father.

Everyone is who has the same mind of God who was in Jesus.

Even a cursory study of the use of "Son of God" shows that it has a special significance when used of Jesus that it doesn't apply to others.

If you are different from who Jesus was in God then you are not of the same God at all.

I dont know how this lost part of the replies. Sorry.

 

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God who is a Spirit came to reside in Jesus flesh proven in Matt 3:16.

Okay, so who or what is the Spirit? Who did Jesus pray to? How does that prove that Jesus isn't God?

Well if Jesus said who he was in the Father is irrelevant then he shouldn't have said it all.

That isn't what I said. What I said was, "If that is your answer to my hypothetical, then Jesus's statements that you give in the OP are irrelevant as to whether or not he is also truly God." That is, because your answer means that if Jesus was truly God in human flesh he would answer the same as if he wasn't (which is your position), then those statements you gave do not actually prove that Jesus isn't God, as you think they do.

If he was God then he lied as to who he spoke of that I posed to him in the OP.

If he was God, then how, exactly, did he lie "as to who he spoke of that I posed to him in the OP"? You claiming that that is the case doesn't mean it actually was the case. You have to prove it.

He could do notions at all without his God who sent him. or he was lying?

I don't understand what you're asking. What do you mean by "He could do notions"?

Just as we all do who walk in that same deity of Gods anointing is our own disposition, Christ in us.

What do you mean? I stated that Jesus "spoke in such a way not only to not diminish his own deity, but to actually affirm it." That is, Jesus affirmed he was truly God, in addition to being truly man, which was obvious.

But, Jesus being God in the flesh is something that no other person is or ever will be.

The deity of God is at work in me just as He was at work in Jesus, Same Spirit in me, same mind in me. same walk as He walks.

That's what you claim, but if you believe in a different Jesus than what the Bible reveals, and you do, then you do not have the same Spirit in you. But this is also just based on really bad theology and not understanding Scripture, which starts with believing was merely a man, as well as the heresy of Adoptionism. This is actually closer to New Age beliefs than Christianity.

You are excluding yourself from the deity of Christ to be anointed of God.

Not at all. I believe all that Jesus said and all that the Bible reveals about him and about God.

Oh that is very ver obvious that most say Jesus was God instead of being Gods child, His son.

Jesus being truly God does not conflict with him being God's Son. In fact, his being the one and only Son of God is a claim to deity, as is his claim to be the Son of Man (from Dan. 7:13). The Jews twice understood Jesus's claim to be the Son of God to be a claim of equality with God, something that Jesus didn't dispute (John 5:18; 10:31-36). They then wanted to stone him (for blasphemy) for claiming to actually be God, in John 8:58.

Only to those who has never ment the same God as Jesus did in Matt 3;16. A god of flesh, is all they can relate to from a mind that is carnal void of God who is a Spirit and man is the kingdom in which He live. Jesus was clear in that in Luke 17:20-21.

It is indeed and starting in Adam, God came to man by the Spirit He is and opened up in man who He is by the Spirit He is. from Adam all the way down to all today who will receive Hm as their own disposition of mind, Spirit.

That is what I have been trying to tell you. In your midst, mid, middle of you. In your inner man. You sure try hard to reject who you are supposed to be in God with all these excuses not to have from God Himself.

No, you're not understanding either me or the text. Not "in your inner man," but physically, among the Pharisees. Jesus was there among the Pharisees and was speaking of himself bringing the kingdom of God into their general vicinity. Just read Matt. 23; there is no way Jesus would have said that the kingdom of God was within them. Also:

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. (ESV)

The Pharisees were most certainly not born of the Spirit.

No he wasnt,

Yes, he absolutely was. Again, John 3:5. But, more than that:

Mat 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Mar 1:14 Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God,
Mar 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

Mar 9:1 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”

Adam was the very first to become like God to know this different, Gen 3;22, not Jesus, he didnt come along for another 4000 years and receive from God the same as Adam did.

Adam has no bearing on the matter, other than he was the one who actually removed the kingdom of God, so to speak, from the earth. It was Jesus who brought it back through his death and resurrection. And, supposedly becoming like God has nothing to do with the kingdom of God, which is God's reign and rule and earth.

Yes Jesus called his change of heart, mind, as born again only after it was opened to him by God Himself.

No, he absolutely did not refer to himself with such language.

Well if Jesus was God then so am I, for I have the same mind in me from God Himself as Jesus received from Him.

No, you absolutely are not and never will be. Jesus was though and still is. The Son has always existed, according to Scripture, and became incarnate when conceived in Mary.

Jesus claimed to be God and was referred to and worshiped as God, without any rebuke. That would have been blasphemy if he wasn't truly God.

 

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Is it?
Capital letters, didn't appear in the bible until the 14th century when man made his own editing of it from a belief in ignorance foe who God actually is instead of the reality of. This is a distinct sign that the concept didn't become commonplace until around then. The term itself comes from the Latin capit, meaning “head,” because the capital letter came at the “head” of the sentence. If the name son is capitalized it is by the hands of religious minds who didnt have a clue who Jesus was and made assumptions based on ignorance just as most today are doing.

Capitalization or lack thereof is irrelevant to what I am saying.

Punctuation wasn't edited in either until about 400 years ago and punctuation can change the whole power in a sentence.

Which is also irrelevant to anything I have stated.

It's worth noting that you used these pointless points to deflect from what I said.

Eternity is not a time frame it is the state of ones being. Beginning to end. And if it is only confined to God then what is the use in even listening to him. it would mean nothing for us at all.

Not at all. God is timeless; it is one of those things that make God God. To say "And if it is only confined to God then what is the use in even listening to him. it would mean nothing for us at all," is a non-sequitur.

As far as God never changing, is the same yesterday as is today and will be tomorrow. Love that God is iOS the only thing on this planet that never changes, everything else changes and either you have that same perfection as Adam did to this day as your own disposition or you dont walk in ti a s He walks in it.

I have no idea what your point is here.

So is every man, God ciooses all to be of Him, sadly few choose Him to be.

No. That is unbiblical. What John means in 1:1a and 1:2, is that when the beginning began, the Word was already in existence. It means the Word has timeless existence, which is an attribute of God alone.

All things Spiritual is made by God who is a Spirit, that of Love. Jesus learned of Him in Matt 3:16. Jesus could do noting at all and said so without that God.

Your continual proof-texting is going to continually lead you astray. You cannot ignore context and expect to come to a knowledge of the truth.

You're ignoring what John is saying. After already saying that the Word is timeless, in a loving, intimate relationship with God, and God in nature, he states:

Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. (ESV)

So, if we take John at his word, based on what he clearly and plainly states, the Word, which is the Son, cannot have had a beginning; he cannot have come into existence. Basic logic precludes such an idea here. John clearly states "all things . . . and without him was not any thing made that was made." That means everything, spiritual and material. This is reiterated by Paul in 1 Cor. 8:6 and Col. 1:16-17.

And man is the pages He writes His word into. Not on stone not in ink but in the hearts and minds of we who has received Him that He gives as a gift.

This has nothing to do with anything I have said.

True, The word is not something made at all it is something we receive from God Himself as a gift. You cant earn it, you cant control it, you can manipulate it through beliefs, it is something we receive from God Himself. It is who we become in His same image. that of Love that God is. This isnt rocket science as you are trying to make it is very simple.

No. The Word is the Son.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. (ESV)

"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14) as Jesus.

Is 45:7. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

And the world still doesnt know him they think he is a man of flesh instead of Spirit who resides in man.

This doesn't have anything to do with anything. And, yes, Jesus still exists as the God-man, God in human flesh, albeit glorified flesh after his resurrection.

The he is a Spirit not a man.

The "he" is absolutely a man. That is the whole point--John is introducing us to who Jesus is. Again:

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (ESV)

Or, as Paul puts it:

Php 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. (ESV)

This is speaking of the Son's timeless existence as God, becoming human as well. The whole point of which is to show the humility of Jesus as an example for us. There is no greater humility that could be conceived than the Son, as God and agent of creation, becoming one of his creatures in order to die for their salvation by taking their sins upon himself. No greater example of humility, no greater example of love.

And Jesus became his child in Matt 3:16 when he was born of God just as all of these before Jesus who was born of Gods Spirit when He came to them Himself.

No, on all counts. The Son has always existed; he entered into time and took on human flesh (John 1:14; Phil 2:6-8).

No one is who is born of God.

Incorrect. Everyone is who is born of God:

Rom 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, (ESV)

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
Gal 4:5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
Gal 4:7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. (ESV)

Eph 1:5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, (ESV)

Believers are sons and daughters by adoption, Jesus is the one and only, the unique, Son of God.