Bible Study If people were vegetarian would the world be a more peaceful loving place?

[Jason_hoovah]

You are wrong. The meaning is clear: avoid anger, regardless of how excellent the food is. You have your mind set on vegetarianism, but it's clouding your mind.

Here is a comment on that verse: Better is a dinner (portion) of herbs where love is. A dish of vegetables would be the common meal, whereas flesh would be reserved for festive occasions. Where love presides, the simplest food is cheerfully received, and contentment and happiness abound.

And another: Happy, loving relationships are more desirable than a great meal where there is hatred. The ideal is to have a loving family, friends, and great food; but short of that, a humble meal with love is preferable.

Clearly, when you write that "bullies have beef. That is the #1 problem in the world. (?) Bullies and they give off a lot of beef towards people. Jesus is the lamb. You are what you eat," you are making the common error of eisegesis: an interpretation, especially of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the texal

You are using your own interruptation of the scripture. I am looking at the verse literraly. Isn't that supposed to be how that verse is? Why are you calling me wrong and you don't even know if you are right. That is not nice to unfairly judge people

 

[Jason_hoovah]

In Genesis 3 or Genesis 6.?

In Genesis 4 it says nothing but about cain ,gen 6 is the flood .

But go ahead since my wife grows believe that you won't kill a pig who roots your plants or rabbits or moles or any such herbivore .

Genesis 4 the first murder no mention of God putting the fear or that man was eating meat .
Genesis 6

Genesis 9 lists the first time God said the fear of beasts shall be upon and no blood is to be eaten

I dunno about you but I can imagine every time an animal was sacrificed before the flood it was probably scared. And just because God only commanded men to just eat plants. Remember people were sinners and they didn't always obey God

 

[jasonc]

I dunno about you but I can imagine every time an animal was sacrificed before the flood it was probably scared. And just because God only commanded men to just eat plants. Remember people were sinners and they didn't always obey God

A sheep is chosen by God to die .I have personally ate a lamb that I watched the owner simply grab ,not a fight ,not a baah ,quiet and it was beheaded .


God commanded animal offerings ,he wouldnt call it a sin .
You notice this ,for without the shedding of Blood there is no remissions of sins.

You can't call any of the saints sinning when God ordained the priests to eat the meat offered in some instances or that it was allowed.

You are free not to eat meat .don't call what God allows a sin .

 

[Jason_hoovah]

Esau Sells His Birthright for a bowl of lentils.

Gen 25:29 And Jacob sod pottage: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint:
Gen 25:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.
Gen 25:31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright.
Gen 25:32 And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me?
Gen 25:33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.
Gen 25:34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright.


Also
Mal 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Just sayin.


As an Executive Chef and from my experience, I can tell you that vegetarians and vegans are not very loving and peaceful people. They will also let you know that they are vegetarian and/or vegan, some will also go as far as lecturing people about eating meat.


Grace and peace to you.

Even plant eaters can be defensive and agitated. Some plants are defensive. Like thorns and poison

 

[Jason_hoovah]

A sheep is chosen by God to die .I have personally ate a lamb that I watched the owner simply grab ,not a fight ,not a baah ,quiet and it was beheaded .


God commanded animal offerings ,he wouldnt call it a sin .
You notice this ,for without the shedding of Blood there is no remissions of sins.

You can't call any of the saints sinning when God ordained the priests to eat the meat offered in some instances or that it was allowed.

You are free not to eat meat .don't call what God allows a sin .

I did not say eating meat is a sin.

 

[jasonc]

I did not say eating meat is a sin.

You imply it ,that people are meat eaters are violent by nature .

I beg to differ .

Genesis 1:29-30
[29]And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[30]And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Proverbs 15:17
[17]Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.

Proverbs 23:20
[20]Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:

Did eating meat make people filled with hate and bring upon themselves the great flood. Afterwards God gave the go ahead to eat meat

You are what you eat. If eating vegetables makes you more loving and peaceful and eating meat brings hate and strife is world peace even possible? I don't think they eat meat in heaven because the lions lay down with lambs and there is no killing there. In heaven do people even eat food at all?

You don't kill the plant if you haven't ripped out the root. And do you see what that verse in proverbs 15 is saying and that in the beginning God did not say you could eat meat?

Science says plants do sense and are aware more then we think and have communicated threats through an unknown root network .

A plant may not have a soul but they are aware enough to fight .I have cut a bougainvillea,pepper tree and the later literally jammed my chain saw because it's sap is able to seal that fast and it will regrow.

 

[Jason_hoovah]

But I do know from experience eating meat can cause hateful arguments and what not. Especially if it has blood in it. This does sound kind of disappointed but I have been a christian for 20 some years and I have yet to hear a Christian say to me. I am sorry

 

[jasonc]

You imply we became hate filed from eating meat.

God himself ate often with his own disciples.it wasn't just plants

 

[jasonc]

But I do know from experience eating meat can cause hateful arguments and what not. Especially if it has blood in it. This does sound kind of disappointed but I have been a christian for 20 some years and I have yet to hear a Christian say to me. I am sorry

No that's your bias

I was raised a pacifist .few will hate violence more then me. I don't enjoy violence .I served .I have seen war .that's a switch I know .

You ignore ,for it is not what goes in that defiles you but that which comes out and that was a response to the pharisees on kosher laws .

Meat for the belly ,the belly for the draught.

 

[Jason_hoovah]

You imply it ,that people are meat eaters are violent by nature .

I beg to differ .




Science says plants do sense and are aware more then we think and have communicated threats through an unknown root network .

A plant may not have a soul but they are aware enough to fight .I have cut a bougainvillea,pepper tree and the later literally jammed my chain saw because it's sap is able to seal that fast and it will regrow.

Are you even focused on that verse about eating vegetables compared to eating meat. It kind of sounds like you are disagreeing with God's word. I'm not looking for any confrontation with people. I simply just want peace. That is why I have changed my diet and yes I do not get angered like I used to before. God's word is true. And one time I saw God as a ghost and it looked like he was eating spinach and it was the first maybe only time I ever saw a smile on his face

 

[jasonc]

And blood isn't consumed ,it's drained out .my wife and many of those like her have hunted ,slaughtered pigs ,deer and game .you guy them first and hang it to drain the blood and then process it through a person who will cut it up to your liking.

Venison ,cattke ,hog

 

[Jason_hoovah]

Are you even focused on that verse about eating vegetables compared to eating meat. It kind of sounds like you are disagreeing with God's word. I'm not looking for any confrontation with people. I simply just want peace. That is why I have changed my diet and yes I do not get angered like I used to before. God's word is true. And one time I saw God as a ghost and it looked like he was eating spinach and it was the first maybe only time I ever saw a smile on his face

Beef is serious. There is a bible verse that God asks a question of what would he eat. And he thinks maybe a bull and lambs blood. If he would have tried that than maybe that is why he can be so very serious and wrathful I dunno.

 

[jasonc]

Are you even focused on that verse about eating vegetables compared to eating meat. It kind of sounds like you are disagreeing with God's word. I'm not looking for any confrontation with people. I simply just want peace. That is why I have changed my diet and yes I do not get angered like I used to before. God's word is true. And one time I saw God as a ghost and it looked like he was eating spinach and it was the first maybe only time I ever saw a smile on his face

No you actually take that out of context


In that time ,women cooked men didn't
It's about eating alone and in peace .

But context isn't your forte .I read that book often .
One verse can't be a doctrine .if Blood makes you angry then God tempts man by feeding then fish ,and helping Peter catch fish ,he enjoyed his dinners .

The last supper was eating a lamb.rhe peshac is very interesting.i have partook in my ancestral command to do that .

 

[Jason_hoovah]

God did not say you shall not eat meat so it is not a sin. That verse is pretty much just saying it is probably not wise. It may be a sin to eat unclean meat because he said you shall not eat pork etc etc.
I dunno you would have to take that up with the Pharisees. Paul was told in a vision he could eat any meat. But it was just a vision and visions don't have germs. I dunno why Paul would go against God's law in exodus

 

[Jason_hoovah]

No you actually take that out of context


In that time ,women cooked men didn't
It's about eating alone and in peace .

But context isn't your forte .I read that book often .
One verse can't be a doctrine .if Blood makes you angry then God tempts man by feeding then fish ,and helping Peter catch fish ,he enjoyed his dinners .

The last supper was eating a lamb.rhe peshac is very interesting.i have partook in my ancestral command to do that .

I am not taking it out of context...... I am looking at the fine print

 

[Jason_hoovah]

I am not taking it out of context...... I am looking at the fine print

It doesn't say anything about eating alone. That is adding to the scripture

 

[jasonc]

I am not taking it out of context...... I am looking at the fine print

No you aren't .you are reading with a bias .

If the eating of bulls and koshers made you made ,explain what how kosher laws work as Jesus didn't violate the his own words ?

 

[jasonc]

Leviticus 13.

Start there

 

[Jason_hoovah]

I am not taking it out of context...... I am looking at the fine print

It doesn't say anything g about eating alone. That is adding to the scripture

 

[jasonc]

You can make a simple case of health to go vegan ,you don't .

You can argue that animals feel pain .you don't base your premise on that . Most hunters I know eat their kills . Others who I know are in poor rural towns do that to survive as you can't always grow veggies every year ,seasons .

Florida will hit it's picking harvest of oranges .I grew up on that .dad packed and graded oranges and grapefruit