HalleluYAH
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will most of the world love you or hate you?
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Bible Study If you teach God’s Word the way it’s meant to be taught,
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Blake
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I must have been prophesying over myself when I posted this because MAN, I tell ya, I sure have come under attack today.
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Brother Mike
Guest
Your going to make it, smile and wave man. It will be OK.
The World will love you if you walk in the authority and power of the Lord Jesus. Many will think your awesome, but with that, the devil will bring the haters. Who cares about the haters.
Mike.
Blake
Member
My progressive leftist atheist cousin and a few of his friends let me know how bigoted, backwards, and heartless I am, and that I used to be such a gold-hearted, forward-thinking person who blew him away with my thoughts. One of my old atheist buddies has resorted to seeing me out in public and calling me "Saint Blake."
Essentially I have went from esteemed philosopher to completely hated. Praise God! If THAT isn't a sign that He is at work in my life, nothing is.
HalleluYAH
Member
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (His Word).
John 15:18-27
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
th1b.taylor
Member
They done gonna get livid with the hate, I know.
righteyealenna
Member
The world of love and hate are both filth to God, but there is a middle path.
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Brother Mike
Guest
Well, don't get me wrong, I mean a group put bleach, window cleaner and something else I took a gulp of because I only talked about Jesus, and they had warned me not to, but that won't happen.
For preaching to gang member Muslims I had a hit put on me, and was cornered in the Shower by 3 of their lovely members.
Kicked out of two churches.
Hated at the Church I preached in on the Night side, because Brother Mike likes to lay hands on folks and get them healed, and even at one of Nights own service God did a miracle in a girls life, and them folks did not get excited, but mad, because I was the one preaching. I think their wood is just wet.
Lost all my secular friends, but guess who they call when they start thinking about Hell or need prayer? I don't hang with unsaved though, unless it's to go save.
Fired from a job because your not suppose to go telling customers about Jesus, and another Job because I guess they did not want their staff healed of cancer, but I did.
Pushed, cut on my nose, trying to get to a brother waiting on a ambulance, and I am sure I have lots more.
Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me. But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
(Act 20:23-24)
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
(Rom 8:36-37)
Ya, Jesus said ye shall have tribulation in this world, but He also said, fear not, for I have over come the World, and the devil is not big enough, bad enough, or tough enough to get me!!! None of these things move me, I don't give them thought, I don't care because it always ends up that I am more than a conqueror in this World, because my faith will overcome anything the devil has. That is shouting ground!!!
I have a ton of folks on my side, call me, ask advice, more than I ever had unsaved, it's not the World that tears me down, it's my doubting, full of unbelief brothers and sisters who don't believe in the same victory, and as for the devil since we don't ever wrestle against flesh and blood, He can go jump in a big lake.
Your not going to get persecuted handing out Jesus tracks, and warning folks about hell. You won't even get the devils attention. Go to set someone free the devil has worked years to hurt in some sickness, then watch how the devil acts up.
Don't let family get you down Blake or old friends. It's not that they don't like you, they see something they don't have in you. They don't even know what it is they need, but they get to thinking you might have it. You want them to talk bad about you and put you down, because they do it to convince themselves they don't need what you got, they don't know how else to deal with that thing inside them.
Then one day, you get that call, They are going to want to know again about that Jesus you talked about a few years back.
Even my own uncle who I know wanted my son to die, just to prove me wrong since my son had terminal cancer. You could see the hate when I told him I don't want his money to help bury my son, because I am not going to have to bury my son. He did not talk to me for years.
Just last year, I was at the table with him, and He was asking questions, He was getting help. Stay positive.
Victory is ours.
Mike.
Psalms 23:4
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou artwith me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Ask Peter:
Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
(Peter drawn near by crooked staff)
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Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
(Peter corrected by straight rod of discipline)
Both rod and staff are God's type of love. To just be sweet may miss correction. We are not to operate out of carnal hate, but correction is love (tough love).
Taking care of the physical still needs the eternal.
Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
backwoods redneck
eddif
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou artwith me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Ask Peter:
Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
(Peter drawn near by crooked staff)
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Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
(Peter corrected by straight rod of discipline)
Both rod and staff are God's type of love. To just be sweet may miss correction. We are not to operate out of carnal hate, but correction is love (tough love).
Taking care of the physical still needs the eternal.
Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
backwoods redneck
eddif
Obadiah
Member
Wow, in well over 40 years of doing the same things you have done, I've not once been physically attacked, never fired from a secular job for sharing the gospel, never kicked out of a church... None of the things that have happened to you. Why is this so different for me than for you? Has the devil just decided not to come after me for some reason? Why would he not? I've cast out demons. I've layed hands on people whom God healed. I've experienced spiritual gifts. I've lead people to the Lord. One time I was physically confronted with what a pastor who knows a lot about these things told me was Satan himself (based on some of the things that were said in the confrontation), yet because I stood on the word of God, quoting it back to him as appropriate, I was not harmed and he could not prevail, eventually leaving me alone. Why didn't he do something terrible to me? Why wouldn't the devil make people do these kind of things to me that you are telling us about? Is it that I use a different approach to these situations? Is it that for some reason God protects me more than you? Why do you think the difference?
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Brother Mike
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First of all, Praise God. Most likely maturity level difference. The bleach in the coffee thing might have been avoidable had I approached the them a bit different. The guys the came to kill and rape me, I told the leader "Your not bigger than Jesus, I could care less about what you say."
The churches I was kicked out of, well, OK, I could have handled that different.
Not my fault:
The first Job I was fired from though, I was a prisoner, and the girl with cancer was a civilian staff member. I was praying in tongues and the Lord told me to go to her, and told me about the cancer. I had no other way to know about the cancer. So that one, was not my fault, I honestly obeyed the Lord.
I upset the higher up,which in turn upset the Warden, which got me banned from working the kitchen again. She also got fired because she not only talked to me, but received a book I gave her. So, I put in to work for the kitchen again, and after 6 months, the Lord moved and I got back in, in even a better position, and a civilian worker who loved me and the Lord, a real awesome guy.
Being attacked trying to help my Brother in Christ waiting on the Hospital was also just a supernatural thing. First a devil slammed my big metal locker on my nose. It sat on the end of our beds and the lid flipped open onto the bed. This thing pushed me, and flipped the lid back down off my bed, the lip caught my nose, and I still have the scare. Knowing what it was, I was pretty mad, but kept praying in tongues, despite the blood running down my face. I turn around and 3 or 4 inmates were behind me and shoving me around. I always got along with these guys and they wanted to fight. they were oblivious to the fact I had blood running down my face. I told the devil real loud, I don't have time for this.I then went to the bathroom to grab tissue and back out to the my brother. The Lord showed me what to do, which was just hold my brothers hand and we took turns thanking God for something good He had done for us. Anointed came, bam, He was healed, but I made him go with the ambulance anyway to get checked out.
My son having cancer was also not my fault, I was serving God the best I knew at the time. The devil had to learn once again, I am not moved by natural things.
So, looking back, I could have been a whole lot more mature on some of my examples, could have spoken to people different, but we are at where we are at.
Despite faith though, the devil will attack, I am not comparing myself to Paul, He preached where they wanted to constantly kill him. We always need to stay in the Word, and be prepared. If we do what the Lord says do, the evil one touches us not. I have learned to only talk to those the Lord directs, which I did not know then, and I have learned, that being bold, does not mean go around upsetting people.
So, I suspect you were far more mature in things, than me. I discern things much better now, but still learning.
Mike.
Edward
2024 Supporter
The world will hate you. It's in scripture so don't be surprised when it happens. Lots of people think that life will get better here when you give your life to Jesus, but it aint so! It gets harder.
The way to make life easier again is to back away from God. Then they'll love you again. But that's not advisable. They can only kill (your body) once. It makes sense to be patient and wait it out, continue seeking God.
Be careful praying for more faith. I did once and all hell broke loose in my life. I was attacked from all sides. I did get more faith, but more faith comes through more tribulation.
But like Brother Mike says, they'll come to you when they need answers. Be ready for it!
Christ_empowered
Member
I think part of it depends on where you are. I think it was easier, for many people, to be a more traditional Christian in the US say, 15-20+ years ago than it is now. The more tension Christ's teachings have with the surrounding culture/subculture, the more problems you'll have.
A poster above wrote that Christianity is counter cultural. I agree. And it doesn't fit nicely into any 1 political group. I think conservatives, liberals, and progressives all tend to highlight some parts of Christ's teachings and downplay others to make their point. That's unfortunate, but its human nature. The closer you stick to Jesus' teachings, the more you'll probably anger, or at least irritate, people with firmly held, worldly belief systems.
Of course, in some places, Christians are killed for their beliefs or driven underground by persecution. I think many view Christianity as potentially subversive. In the US...I think that's starting to happen, to a point, and not just with people on the left wing.
A poster above wrote that Christianity is counter cultural. I agree. And it doesn't fit nicely into any 1 political group. I think conservatives, liberals, and progressives all tend to highlight some parts of Christ's teachings and downplay others to make their point. That's unfortunate, but its human nature. The closer you stick to Jesus' teachings, the more you'll probably anger, or at least irritate, people with firmly held, worldly belief systems.
Of course, in some places, Christians are killed for their beliefs or driven underground by persecution. I think many view Christianity as potentially subversive. In the US...I think that's starting to happen, to a point, and not just with people on the left wing.
smaller
Member
Deep subject, this one:
Luke 21:17
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
A. Yes, it is A Divine Promise
B. Yes, it does mean ALL men
So, from there, we can apply applicability.
The most obvious matter is that there are in fact quite a lot of people who DO love us.
Which "all men" is Jesus speaking of then?
Men is a rather generic term in the scriptures. Yes, it does have fleshly applicability in some cases, but not all. Just as the term "angel" can mean both "good messengers" and BAD messengers, so can the term MAN be applied to the "bad messengers" or the demonic messengers. Yes, there is a "man" of sin, a "man" of Perdition. That is in fact SATAN. And yes, this particular "man" has a host of other "men" (and women) in the anti-spiritual sense that DO in fact hate us ALL.
So, perhaps we look in the obvious direction for "who" might be the "all men" that hate us.
Lucifer is termed "a man" in the scriptures:
Isaiah 14:
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
And yes, "he," this MAN, does have "children." And even a kingdom. Yet none of us will be seeing any of these things with flesh eyes.
Luke 21:17
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
A. Yes, it is A Divine Promise
B. Yes, it does mean ALL men
So, from there, we can apply applicability.
The most obvious matter is that there are in fact quite a lot of people who DO love us.
Which "all men" is Jesus speaking of then?
Men is a rather generic term in the scriptures. Yes, it does have fleshly applicability in some cases, but not all. Just as the term "angel" can mean both "good messengers" and BAD messengers, so can the term MAN be applied to the "bad messengers" or the demonic messengers. Yes, there is a "man" of sin, a "man" of Perdition. That is in fact SATAN. And yes, this particular "man" has a host of other "men" (and women) in the anti-spiritual sense that DO in fact hate us ALL.
So, perhaps we look in the obvious direction for "who" might be the "all men" that hate us.
Lucifer is termed "a man" in the scriptures:
Isaiah 14:
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
And yes, "he," this MAN, does have "children." And even a kingdom. Yet none of us will be seeing any of these things with flesh eyes.
th1b.taylor
Member
My, my, my, such a lead into open sin and nothing to follow, short of a secret discussion in a dark place. Of God?
Drew
Member
I agree with a lot of what has been written but would add the obvious qualification that while the obedient Christian can be "hated", the hypocritical or downright flaky believer will also be "hated", and perhaps for good reason. In other words, you can't assume that being "hated" means you are going about things the right way.
I would bet the Westboro Baptist people think all the criticism that is (rightly, of course) fired their way is proof they are doing God's work.
I would bet the Westboro Baptist people think all the criticism that is (rightly, of course) fired their way is proof they are doing God's work.