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if you would have to guess when will jesus return

JLB said:
Scripture doesn't tell us the year He was born, so I am saying 33AD would be most likely the latest ... If indeed He was born in the year 1 at the beginning.

We do know He was about 30 years old when He began His ministry.


Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, Luke 3:23


The Jewish calender has us at year 5782.



JLB
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Since I'm not enough of an astronomer to calculate the positions of the moon on any given date, I'm not in a position to dispute results of others although I do question the results anyway. Cataclysms/phenomena in the heavens are not taken into consideration either. They assume that the earth and heavenly bodies have been in continual and steady progression for thousands of years. I don't believe that to be the case.

Here's an example page the purports to calculate the position of the moon on any date for anyone who is interested.

I believe that Passover occurred on a Wednesday in the year that He was crucified (some believe it was on a Friday?). Also, since they will "think to change the times and the laws" (calendar changes for example) I don't know how much we could rely on any historical records.

I used to lean towards 33AD myself. Now I'm more open to a range (including 28AD). I also believe that He taught for about 3 1/2 years making late September/early October the season of His birth. His birth can be determined because of Zachariah's temple service being in the course of Abijah.
 
christian1724 said:
I used to lean towards 33AD myself. Now I'm more open to a range (including 28AD). I also believe that He taught for about 3 1/2 years making late September/early October the season of His birth.
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Amen
 
JLB said:
Please post the scripture where Paul associated teaching about the coming of the Lord as “endless genealogies” .




JLB
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I didn't say Paul did, I associated the endless meaningless discussions about an unknowable date with the meaningless genelogies.
 
Who Me said:
I didn't say Paul did, I associated the endless meaningless discussions about an unknowable date with the meaningless
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So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!
Matthew 24:33
 
christian1724 said:
Since I'm not enough of an astronomer to calculate the positions of the moon on any given date, I'm not in a position to dispute results of others although I do question the results anyway. Cataclysms/phenomena in the heavens are not taken into consideration either. They assume that the earth and heavenly bodies have been in continual and steady progression for thousands of years. I don't believe that to be the case.

Here's an example page the purports to calculate the position of the moon on any date for anyone who is interested.

I believe that Passover occurred on a Wednesday in the year that He was crucified (some believe it was on a Friday?). Also, since they will "think to change the times and the laws" (calendar changes for example) I don't know how much we could rely on any historical records.

I used to lean towards 33AD myself. Now I'm more open to a range (including 28AD). I also believe that He taught for about 3 1/2 years making late September/early October the season of His birth. His birth can be determined because of Zachariah's temple service being in the course of Abijah.
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As one into astronomy myself, I have calculated when Jesus was born and died but kept the dates to myself (except for a few) lest I look like one trying to push an ideology. The thing is it worked so perfectly I was amazed and exceeded my expectations. And if that was not enough, the dates worked out to both birth and resurrection being on the Sabbath, at least as it was ending (to fulfil Sunday feast of firstfruits). I was not even looking for those results, but the fact that is what occurred added further credence to what I calculated. I personally believe that the bible states when he was born: the answer is in Revelation 12:1. The sun and moon as described states a very realistic astronomical position during the feasts of the Lord (Leviticus 23). Seems Jesus did everything by the feasts. Not man-made Christmas or whatever.
 
tim-from-pa said:
As one into astronomy myself, I have calculated when Jesus was born and died but kept the dates to myself (except for a few) lest I look like one trying to push an ideology. The thing is it worked so perfectly I was amazed and exceeded my expectations. And if that was not enough, the dates worked out to both birth and resurrection being on the Sabbath, at least as it was ending (to fulfil Sunday feast of firstfruits). I was not even looking for those results, but the fact that is what occurred added further credence to what I calculated. I personally believe that the bible states when he was born: the answer is in Revelation 12:1. The sun and moon as described states a very realistic astronomical position during the feasts of the Lord (Leviticus 23). Seems Jesus did everything by the feasts. Not man-made Christmas or whatever.
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Revelation 12:1, yes. It also helps to identify who (and even where) Israel is (IMO).

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter. I don't have anything close to perfect knowledge so I try not to be harsh when others have a differing view on this site (on Biblical/scriptural matters that is). You've been on here a long time know so you probably would know better than I what is considered offensive/unacceptable.
 
christian1724 said:
Revelation 12:1, yes. It also helps to identify who (and even where) Israel is (IMO).

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter. I don't have anything close to perfect knowledge so I try not to be harsh when others have a differing view on this site (on Biblical/scriptural matters that is). You've been on here a long time know so you probably would know better than I what is considered offensive/unacceptable.
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I'll give you 3 clues: It's enough to come to the conclusions I did

1) Revelation 12:1 describes the feast of Trumpets as his birth.
2) He lived for 12240 days (80x153 where did we see this number before?)
3) He died on a year when Nisan 14 was on a Wednesday.

It is possible for lunar configurations to take place such that the exact start of the seventh month until Passover is 12240 days, but it does not happen every year.

From this same info some people calculated his birth 3BC. Not the same year I came up with, but at my age a I lose track of a few years myself so I won't argue with them. After all, if I can lose track of a few short years in a lifetime, I don't think almost 2000 years is impossible.

Knowing these three things one can derive one and only one set of dates.

From that you know where I am coming from.
 
This will be the timing of Christ return in He who gave us the signs to watch for, but yet no one knows the day or the hour of His return.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 this NWO, that is even now being set up, is a Luciferian system of economics, political, military, educational and false religious power that gives power to the beast out of the earth being the son of perdition. By lying signs and wonders the beast will deceive the nations (people) into taking its mark. IMO I think the mark is the thoughts of our mind and the actions of our hands reaching out to this beast that promises peace, safety and provision as many will bow down and worship this beast who claims to be God. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, Matthew 24:21, 29-31.

After the 3 1/2 years of this Luciferian reign on earth that will wear out the saints, Daniel 7:25, then every eye will see Christ coming in the clouds with His army of angels that are then sent out to gather those saints who are alive at His coming and those who sleep in their graves, Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21. We are gathered up to the clouds as we receive our new glorified bodies in order to meet Jesus in the air. From the air He destroys the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming only speaking their destruction casting them into the lake of fire. Satan is bound for a time as Jesus sets out to destroy all the nations that followed after the beast. Satan is then released in a final attempt to destroy the saints as he sends his angels out to surround the camp of the saints, but the angels are consumed by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire. Then comes God's great white throne judgment and the books are opened and all are judged. Then this present heaven and earth are burned up and made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.
 
It seems that the first 4 Levitical Feasts were accomplished in a matter of 53 days (Passover to Pentecost).
Would you mind sharing your thoughts on how long you expect it to take for the final 3 Feasts to be completed
(Trumpets - Day of Atonement - Tabernacles), along with your reasoning.
 
Jesus will not return until he’s “made his enemies a footstool for his feet.” So, not for many many decades. He says there would be no signs whatsoever same as there were no signs before the flood. So we are be about our master’s business and not bother about it. As exciting as the subject might be, we are NOT to know.
 
Well. The thing is (and bare in mind I haven't read the whole bible so take this with a pinch of salt) translation changes over time as languages evolve and words have varying meanings across languages. This, and through John we can see Jesus himself spoke in analogies and metaphorical phrasing.

His return could mean so many things. Meeting him after "death", the resurrection, his living on through us as his disciples, a prophecy yet to be fulfilled etc..

And if it is a prophecy as most people are saying.. we don't know the exact age of the Earth. How long is 2023 years? A very long time for us. Maybe not to God/the Earth.

We think it is end times and things are bad now. But over the years hasn't the world surprised you with how much worse it is getting?? In the UK alone Christianity has just reached under 50% and Atheism or new age paganism disguised simply as being "spiritual" and "manifesting from the universe" is a growing trend amongst our youth.

The real question you should ask is this... how much worse will the world become before the end?

We have no way of knowing when the limit of this world's downfall is reached until he returns (according to the prophecy interpretation)

It could be anywhere from a few seconds to billions of years from now. We just don't have that knowledge.

All we can control here is our own free will. You can choose to be a disciple of Jesus until you "die". In YOUR lifetime, you can choose to be one who remained with God when the rest of the world began to turn away from him and towards their fleshly desires.

If you do this, you will be with God in heaven and be granted eternal life. This is where your focus should be
 
Hi all,

Personally, I believe that there are still some signs to be made manifest from the Scriptures. But, just to hazard a guess, I'd say within the next 50-150 years. Although, I allow that wickedness often increases exponentially. So, it could come faster than that.

God bless,
Ted
 
Have you considered that Leviticus 23 may have given us God's template.
(Rapture of the Church) - Feast of Trumpets - 1
(2nd Coming of Christ) - Day of Atonement - 10
(1000 year reign begins) - Feast of Tabernacles - 15
The first four Feasts of the Lord were fulfilled to the day and in order.
These last three would be fulfilled in order, but represented in years, rather than days.
 
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