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Illegal marijuana use is a no-no; safe and legal medical trials are different

Do you think that where it's legal, safe medical trials of marijuana should be carried out?

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Okay so I definitely think illegal marijuana use is a real no-no.

I do think also that pharmaceutical companies should be able to do safe trials, especially since it has been legalized in some states.

The pharmaceutical industry's rip off practices are one of North America's deep scandals, I think.

Seems like one reason why the pharmaceutical industry's reluctance to do trials of marijuana even when it's legal is because cheap and safe alternatives to what they currently sell us would hit their profits.

But I repeat, illegal use is a no-no. (There is no need for anyone to suggest dishonestly that I am in favor of illegal use.)

Thoughts?
 
I thought that all natural products cannot be copyrighted by pharmaceutical companies, therefore they have no interest in it.
They instead try to find a synthetic alternative and claim it's better.
 
they already have. its called marinol. its so strong that its worse then the plant you advocate. it causes cancer. but it does work better.

http://www.marinol.com/

farouk that is kinda like saying gin and tonic good for treating malaria but lariam, methoquin and quinine are bad. the later has chemicals related to what was put in gin and tonic and given to the malaria infected person.
 
I thought that all natural products cannot be copyrighted by pharmaceutical companies, therefore they have no interest in it.
They instead try to find a synthetic alternative and claim it's better.
any thing not found in your body is a drug when introduced to it. these are naturally in our body:
1) oxycotin
2) ephedrine(adroline)
3) testerone for men and some proportion of it in women and vice versa with estrogen
4)serotonin

im sure theres more but all of these when in pill form can cause a reaction since the body if it needs it can also cause a reaction to it.
 
I thought that all natural products cannot be copyrighted by pharmaceutical companies, therefore they have no interest in it.
They instead try to find a synthetic alternative and claim it's better.

This should not stop businesses from doing safe and legal trials.

Where elderly and ill people have travelled over the border to Mexico or Canada to buy meds. at up to 1/20th of the cost that they have to pay Stateside, it's hard for me to think that big corporations are not ripping people off, and that there would not be in some circumstances safe and inexpensive alternatives, including with a marijuana ingredient if tested safely and legally.
 
the problem is, not that I mind, Is that if the big pharma wanted to and they have them they have also interested in pestacides and use natural research areas(yes grow plants and try to stop the bugs) they can grow them. its been done with citrus and other plants here by bayer, and later that was sold to ciby-gigy. its a bout 20 minutes to the north. they also have other such places to the south.

grow it, and then you can rape the people too with growing it. I don't believe in the joke of a law California has for medical marijuana. they have "doctors" at rock concerts that you can get that prescription from for that mj. all ya gotta to do is complain of a headache.
 
I'm concerned about our nation's increasing reliance on pills of all sorts. I say this as someone who is currently stuck on a 3 drug cocktail for "Bipolar I."

We're being encouraged to hand control of our lives over to experts who can tell us what pills to take, what to think, how to raise our kids, etc. etc.

Anyway, I think pot should be legal anyway. I don't smoke it myself, and I don't hang out with people who do, but I think the "War on (some) Drugs" is nothing more than an attack on our civil liberties. Just legalize drugs, tax them, and make money off of what people are going to do anyway. You all should read Dr.Thomas Szasz. I'm trying to take my life back from "experts," and I find his work quite helpful in that endeavor (obviously, The Bible comes first, but...still....).

http://szasz.com/
 
The drug cartels have more billions to put into drugs than the government has.
Try and take away their business and they will start bombing pharmacies, etc...
 
I'm concerned about our nation's increasing reliance on pills of all sorts. I say this as someone who is currently stuck on a 3 drug cocktail for "Bipolar I."

We're being encouraged to hand control of our lives over to experts who can tell us what pills to take, what to think, how to raise our kids, etc. etc.

Anyway, I think pot should be legal anyway. I don't smoke it myself, and I don't hang out with people who do, but I think the "War on (some) Drugs" is nothing more than an attack on our civil liberties. Just legalize drugs, tax them, and make money off of what people are going to do anyway. You all should read Dr.Thomas Szasz. I'm trying to take my life back from "experts," and I find his work quite helpful in that endeavor (obviously, The Bible comes first, but...still....).

http://szasz.com/
that Is the problem. you said tax them! so if you want to make it cheaper as if any smart gangster who has discipline(yes they aren't stupid and yes they do have discipline to make money illegally) you sell cigaretes, et all that is illegal on the black market. cars are legal. yet we have a black market for that, and guns.it wont stop.

im cold and im truthful when I say this. if YOU smoke, get high, and are overweight, then YOU should pay higher healthcare costs, you choose to do these things . so pay up. yet our culture says that is wrong.we have car insurance that penalize for bad driving, smoking, and other things. so why not with health care?
 
I guess that tax regimes in theory distinguish between tax breaks on recreational pursuits and those for charitable and humanitarian purposes.
 
to show this problem. lets see I read an article a while back on the uk and cigaretes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15365818
Cigarettes illegally sold over the counter in SussexAdvertisement
An undercover investigation has exposed the widespread sale of counterfeit and smuggled cigarettes at shops in East Sussex
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Counterfeit and smuggled cigarettes are being sold in High Street shops in Sussex, a BBC investigation has found.

Covert filming uncovered the illegal trade in four stores in Hastings in East Sussex.

The Tobacco Retailers Alliance (TRA) said counterfeit cigarettes put the health of smokers at a greater risk because they did not meet UK standards.

Illicit cigarette sales are estimated to cost the government more than £2bn a year in lost revenue.

The TRA also said the illegal trade damaged law-abiding shopkeepers' businesses.

The BBC South East investigation found packs of 20 cigarettes being sold for £2 to £3, less than half of the average UK price of legal brands, at four locations in Hastings.

Smuggled cigarettes from Belarus, Ukraine and Russia and fake UK brands were sold to three undercover reporters.

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The idea of it being sold over the counter in newsagents is really quite shocking”
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Amber Rudd MP

Amber Rudd, Conservative MP for Hastings and Rye, said: "I think everybody's aware that it goes on to a limited degree, although we don't want it to.

"But the idea of it being sold over the counter in newsagents is really quite shocking.

'Losing legitimate sales'

"There's a lot on the agenda that requires money and anything that eats away at the £11bn that's legitimately raised from tobacco sales is hurting the economy of the country."

Bob Fenton, from the TRA, warned that counterfeit cigarettes were not made to the same standards as legitimate brands.

He said: "You're at great risk if you start smoking counterfeit brands because no-one knows what's in them."

Mr Fenton also said the cigarettes from Belarus, Ukraine and Russia that the BBC reporters bought could not be legally sold in the UK because they did not have the correct health warnings on their packets.

Kent shopkeeper Debbie Corris, who is also a member of the TRA, added: "We're losing legitimate sales, we lose the footfall coming through the door. It affects all retailers in a big way."

'Knockdown price'

Bob Gaiger, of HM Revenue & Customs, said: "Low-cost tobacco products can often seem very attractive to local people, who believe they are buying genuine products at a knockdown price.

"The illicit trade has a devastating impact on legitimate retailers and the local community.

"We all pay extra to compensate for the money these criminals steal and with the economic challenges being faced by businesses and the public, our focus must remain relentless to deter and disrupt the illegal trade."

None of the shopkeepers filmed selling counterfeit or smuggled cigarettes wanted to comment on the BBC's investigation.

BBC South East said it would be talking to Sussex Police about its findings.
 
Okay so I definitely think illegal marijuana use is a real no-no.

I do think also that pharmaceutical companies should be able to do safe trials, especially since it has been legalized in some states.

The pharmaceutical industry's rip off practices are one of North America's deep scandals, I think.

Seems like one reason why the pharmaceutical industry's reluctance to do trials of marijuana even when it's legal is because cheap and safe alternatives to what they currently sell us would hit their profits.

But I repeat, illegal use is a no-no. (There is no need for anyone to suggest dishonestly that I am in favor of illegal use.)

Thoughts?

"The medical use of marijuana is limited because different strains of the plant contain different amounts of various compounds, which makes effects hard to predict. Medical researchers have isolated substances from the plant (cannabinoids) that can be used in precise doses alone and in combinations with other medicines to achieve more predictable effects. Certain cannabinoid drugs have been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to relieve nausea and vomiting and increase appetite in people with cancer and AIDS. Other marijuana extracts are still being tested.".....
"Despite this, researchers continue to study the compounds in marijuana for possible medical applications. Two prescription drugs based on marijuana compounds have been approved in the United States, and a third has been approved in Canada and Europe. The prescription drug dronabinol is an active ingredient of marijuana. It is used for patients with chemotherapy-related nausea and vomiting that does not respond to usual treatments, as well as for people with serious weight loss due to AIDS. Nabilone is another drug based on cannabinoids that is used for nausea and vomiting after chemotherapy. Other compounds are being tested for possible use as drugs."
http://www.cancer.org/treatment/tre...vemedicine/herbsvitaminsandminerals/marijuana
 
"The medical use of marijuana is limited because different strains of the plant contain different amounts of various compounds, which makes effects hard to predict. Medical researchers have isolated substances from the plant (cannabinoids) that can be used in precise doses alone and in combinations with other medicines to achieve more predictable effects. Certain cannabinoid drugs have been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to relieve nausea and vomiting and increase appetite in people with cancer and AIDS. Other marijuana extracts are still being tested.".....
"Despite this, researchers continue to study the compounds in marijuana for possible medical applications. Two prescription drugs based on marijuana compounds have been approved in the United States, and a third has been approved in Canada and Europe. The prescription drug dronabinol is an active ingredient of marijuana. It is used for patients with chemotherapy-related nausea and vomiting that does not respond to usual treatments, as well as for people with serious weight loss due to AIDS. Nabilone is another drug based on cannabinoids that is used for nausea and vomiting after chemotherapy. Other compounds are being tested for possible use as drugs."
http://www.cancer.org/treatment/tre...vemedicine/herbsvitaminsandminerals/marijuana

Deborah13: Yes, well some research has been done. And I reckon there needs to be more. Especially since med.s are such a rip off. One can understand, however, how the private sector is unlikely to want to do itself out of business...

Blessings.
 
Deborah13: Yes, well some research has been done. And I reckon there needs to be more. Especially since med.s are such a rip off. One can understand, however, how the private sector is unlikely to want to do itself out of business...

Blessings.
that argument was used against oil companies and power companies by the eco nuts. come to find out that BRITTISH Petroleum has a branch that is now defunct in some countries called BP solar. imagine that. so if people are willing to buy it and its doable a large enough company will invest to see if its doable. I already mentioned marinol Deborah13
 
that argument was used against oil companies and power companies by the eco nuts. come to find out that BRITTISH Petroleum has a branch that is now defunct in some countries called BP solar. imagine that. so if people are willing to buy it and its doable a large enough company will invest to see if its doable. I already mentioned marinol Deborah13

Ah, those British buddies BP again... (have they cleared up the Gulf yet?)
 
bp solar was around before bush got elected and it was the world largest solar panel producer. lol cleared up the gulf. yeah when that happens is when Canada has a summer in the Hudson bay like florida does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP_Solar

BP Solar, a former subsidiary of BP, was a manufacturer and installer of photovoltaic solar cells headquartered in Madrid, Spain, with production facilities in India and the People's Republic of China.[1][2] Operating since 1981 when BP acquired initially 50% of Lucas Energy Systems to become Lucas BP Solar Systems,[3] the company became wholly owned by BP in the mid-1980s. In 1999 it increased its stake in the American Solarex plant to 100%, but by 2010 it was closing down the factory at Frederick, Maryland.[4] The whole company was closed on 21 December 2011.[5]

maybe Margaret thatcher was a socialist when she allowed this.lol. since 1981 and ended in 2011. so please farouk
 
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