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I'm heard trumpets outside my house...???

Pizzaguy said:
handy said:
[MENTION=52402]Pizzaguy[/MENTION] Since Ryan has posted a multitude of texts, I think it's clear he's reading more than one verse. :chin
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I was referring to more than one verse in HABAKKUK. I've seen 'pastors' use that one verse to try to convince people that ANY WEIRD or "spiritual" assertion the pastor makes is valid.
I almost walked out of a church in Jackson, Michigan in the 1980s over such an incident. I ended up leaving within a month anyway, but that one incident realy "did it" to open my eyes to the (almost new-age) nonsense he was spewing.
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Ah. I am talking about wonders that glorify God, not man. I put nothing past the Father though in what we will experience, or what he will do to glorify his Holy Name. Be ever discerning, I understand your caution and I share it as well.
 
Wchristenfaith said:
I was taking my dog outside and all of a sudden I heard trumpets coming from nowhere...? I was listening to Christian music at the time and I was really into it. It came suddenly, and at first I thought it was part of the music, but then I turned it off and I heard it again! I live in the middle of the country and there were no cars around so I know it wasnt that. What do you think it was??? Thanks!
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I'm wondering if it could have been some type of a bird or other type of animal. Hard to say really without actually being there and hearing it.


I"m not saying it couldn't have been Angels etc, but I'd try and find out what types of birds / animals lived in my area and see if any of them could make trumpet like sounds.

Take care!
 
Ryan said:
Pizzaguy said:
. Do angels exist? Sure. Do they (unknowingly to us) interact with us? I am not convinced that they are allowed to.
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Hebrews 13:2
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it.


Obadiah said:
Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one that was going to say this. Hearing things (Actually thinking you are hearing with your ears, not just in your imagination) when there is no physical source of the sound is a good sign that you may have mental issues. True, angles have spoken to people in the past on very rare occasions, but these occasions all had a purpose and there was a clear message spoken. No where in the Bible are we told of angels simply playing music to us with no message for us. I agree that there is an overemphasis on angels (to the exclusion of Christ and His crucifixion) these days and I would be very hesitant to assume this is what you were hearing. Especially if this is something that happens to you more than once, you should see a doctor about it.
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See a Doctor? Are you kidding me? Mental issues?

Hebrews 5:14
But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil

I am taking this man's word at the benefit of the doubt. We are living in the most prolific, talked about times in the bible and you doubt this man. Exciting stuff is coming down the windpipe, and I want to be part of it instead of letting life pass us by. Wanna be working the harvest so to speak instead of hiding underneath a rock when it all goes down.

Joel 2:28
“It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions.

Joel 2:29
“Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

Acts 2:17
‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says, ‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams;

Acts 2:18
Even on My bondslaves, both men and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit And they shall prophesy.

I think we need to quit putting God and the Spirit in a box that only manifests itself only in the ways described in the bible.

Habakkuk 1:5
“Look among the nations! Observe! Be astonished! Wonder! Because I am doing something in your days— You would not believe if you were told.
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Yet in all these verses there is no mention of angels simply blowing trumpets, or doing anything else that isn't accompanied by some kind of useful message.

The suggestion of mental issues didn't seem accusatory or derogatory to me at all. It's a very real possibility suggested by someone with experience in this area and it's unwise to so outrightly dismiss it. I agree that God is not limited in only doing things that are described in the Bible, but when we experience something outside of scripture, we need to be very careful to eliminate non-spiritual explanations, and we need to compare what happened to make sure it doesn't contradict scripture.
 
The reason why I sway to believe is throughout the bible, all we hear are the trumpets and they are all (could be wrong) associated with God and his people. Now if I was satan, would I want to be making a noise that signals the arrival of our Lord? Could there be a counterfeit trump? Sure anything is possible, but blessed is the man that knows the sound of the shofar it says in Psalms 89:15.

So let's ask him, and have him answer if he will what sounds did it make.

Following is taken from Eddie Chumney and pay attention to point #11:

1) The Torah was given to Israel with the sound of the shofar
(Exodus 19:19)
2) Israel conquered in the battle of Jericho with the blast of the
shofar (Joshua 6:20)
3) Israel will be advised of the advent of the Messiah with the sound
of the shofar (Zech 9:14, 16)
4) The shofar will be blown to signal the assembly of the Israelites
during war (Judges 3:27, II Samuel 20:1)
5) The shofar will be blown at the time of the ingathering of the
exiles of Israel back to the land of Israel (Isaiah 27:13)
6) The watchman who stood upon Jerusalem's walls blew the shofar
(Ezekiel 33:3-6)
7) The shofar was blown at the start of the jubilee year (Lev 25:9)
8) The shofar is a reminder that God is sovereign (Psalm 47:5)
9) The ram's horn is a reminder of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac and
God's provision of a ram as a substitute (Genesis 22:13)
10) The shofar was blown to announce the beginning of festivals
(Numbers 10:10). The shofar was blown to celebrate the new
moon on Rosh HaShanah (Psalm 81:1-3)
11) The blowing of the shofar is a signal for the call of repentance
(Isaiah 58:1)
12) The blowing of the shofar ushers in the day of the Lord
(Joel 2:1)
13) The blowing of the shofar is sounded at the resurrection of the
dead (I Thess 4:16)
14) John was taken up to Heaven with the sound of a shofar (Rev 4:1)
15) Seven Shofarim are sounded when God judges the earth during the
tribulation period (Rev 8-9)
16) The shofar was used for the coronatino of kings
(I Kings 1:34, 39)
 
Pizzaguy said:
I was referring to more than one verse in HABAKKUK. I've seen 'pastors' use that one verse to try to convince people that ANY WEIRD or "spiritual" assertion the pastor makes is valid.
I almost walked out of a church in Jackson, Michigan in the 1980s over such an incident. I ended up leaving within a month anyway, but that one incident realy "did it" to open my eyes to the (almost new-age) nonsense he was spewing.
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Taking time for a read through of the context of the Habakkuk text... You're absolutely right, the context of the verse does cast a different light onto the kind of wonders that God's people would be amazed at.
 
Ryan said:
The reason why I sway to believe is throughout the bible, all we hear are the trumpets and they are all (could be wrong) associated with God and his people. Now if I was satan, would I want to be making a noise that signals the arrival of our Lord? Could there be a counterfeit trump? Sure anything is possible, but blessed is the man that knows the sound of the shofar it says in Psalms 89:15.

So let's ask him, and have him answer if he will what sounds did it make.

Following is taken from Eddie Chumney and pay attention to point #11:

1) The Torah was given to Israel with the sound of the shofar
(Exodus 19:19)
2) Israel conquered in the battle of Jericho with the blast of the
shofar (Joshua 6:20)
3) Israel will be advised of the advent of the Messiah with the sound
of the shofar (Zech 9:14, 16)
4) The shofar will be blown to signal the assembly of the Israelites
during war (Judges 3:27, II Samuel 20:1)
5) The shofar will be blown at the time of the ingathering of the
exiles of Israel back to the land of Israel (Isaiah 27:13)
6) The watchman who stood upon Jerusalem's walls blew the shofar
(Ezekiel 33:3-6)
7) The shofar was blown at the start of the jubilee year (Lev 25:9)
8) The shofar is a reminder that God is sovereign (Psalm 47:5)
9) The ram's horn is a reminder of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac and
God's provision of a ram as a substitute (Genesis 22:13)
10) The shofar was blown to announce the beginning of festivals
(Numbers 10:10). The shofar was blown to celebrate the new
moon on Rosh HaShanah (Psalm 81:1-3)
11) The blowing of the shofar is a signal for the call of repentance
(Isaiah 58:1)
12) The blowing of the shofar ushers in the day of the Lord
(Joel 2:1)
13) The blowing of the shofar is sounded at the resurrection of the
dead (I Thess 4:16)
14) John was taken up to Heaven with the sound of a shofar (Rev 4:1)
15) Seven Shofarim are sounded when God judges the earth during the
tribulation period (Rev 8-9)
16) The shofar was used for the coronatino of kings
(I Kings 1:34, 39)
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Yet most of these scriptures are referring to people using some sort of trumpet, not God doing it. One of them is even only referring to part of an animals body that happens to be called a "horn" in English and has nothing at all to do with any sound at all. The few that are referring to a supernatural sound are always accompanied by something else which explains what the trumpet was all about. None of this is what the OP described. Once again, that's not to say that it definitely wasn't from God, but only to say that based on the description of what happened in the OP there are other possible explanations that need to be eliminated before making such a grand declaration of this being a direct sign from God.
 
Ryan said:
I think we need to quit putting God and the Spirit in a box that only manifests itself only in the ways described in the bible.
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Ryan, I am going to stick my neck out here. I agree with you. The Bible is not a box, it is people who try to conform God to their beliefs rather than what the Word says. We do not know every detail of every experience that the prophets and others had with God. What is in the Word is what God chose to convey to us. But that does change the fact that we don't know all the details. If we refuse to surrender to the Holy Spirit because we don't see a clear description of something we may be missing something that God wants you to have or give. Yes, we must use discernment, there are many lying spirits. So we pray and ask for guidance.
Luke 11:12
Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?

I have received permission to share this story from a family member that I have known all her life.
She was a baby Christian at this time and just started going to a small church. The church had a traveling Christian band come to their church. Now this very young woman had never seen anyone "slain in the Spirit", I even hate to use the term as the whole thing has been so abused. She didn't even know the term or heard of people being overcome by the Spirit.
The lead singer in the band was going through some trials and asked the Pastor if he would pray for him after the service. The pastor asked this young woman to come and join in the prayer. She had her hand on the young man's shoulder and the pastor had his hand gently touching her forearm. NO one including the pastor, it would seem, expected what happened, they were the only three at the front. Some other members were still there but it was very quiet. As she prayed two things happened to both she and the young man. She said that she became very weak in the knees but she kept standing as long as she could. She just couldn't stand anymore, she crumbled. No one caught her. She said as she laid there she just felt a warmth and peace and then joy. Afterward, she found out that the same thing happened to the young man at the same time.
No one could ever convince me or her that she had not had a very powerful experience with the Lord.
 
handy said:
Pizzaguy said:
I was referring to more than one verse in HABAKKUK. I've seen 'pastors' use that one verse to try to convince people that ANY WEIRD or "spiritual" assertion the pastor makes is valid.
I almost walked out of a church in Jackson, Michigan in the 1980s over such an incident. I ended up leaving within a month anyway, but that one incident realy "did it" to open my eyes to the (almost new-age) nonsense he was spewing.
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Taking time for a read through of the context of the Habakkuk text... You're absolutely right, the context of the verse does cast a different light onto the kind of wonders that God's people would be amazed at.
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That is why I referenced the corresponding verses about the Spirit being poured forth upon all mankind. When it says look around you among the nations the context is to look at their wickedness. Could it be a world-wide revival going to happen? Could it be that we look at Islamic countries and how far removed they are from hearing the Gospel. Could a major revival happen even in their countries? We see that being impossible given the world's conditions right now. But with God anything is possible.
 
Obadiah said:
Ryan said:
The reason why I sway to believe is throughout the bible, all we hear are the trumpets and they are all (could be wrong) associated with God and his people. Now if I was satan, would I want to be making a noise that signals the arrival of our Lord? Could there be a counterfeit trump? Sure anything is possible, but blessed is the man that knows the sound of the shofar it says in Psalms 89:15.

So let's ask him, and have him answer if he will what sounds did it make.

Following is taken from Eddie Chumney and pay attention to point #11:

1) The Torah was given to Israel with the sound of the shofar
(Exodus 19:19)
2) Israel conquered in the battle of Jericho with the blast of the
shofar (Joshua 6:20)
3) Israel will be advised of the advent of the Messiah with the sound
of the shofar (Zech 9:14, 16)
4) The shofar will be blown to signal the assembly of the Israelites
during war (Judges 3:27, II Samuel 20:1)
5) The shofar will be blown at the time of the ingathering of the
exiles of Israel back to the land of Israel (Isaiah 27:13)
6) The watchman who stood upon Jerusalem's walls blew the shofar
(Ezekiel 33:3-6)
7) The shofar was blown at the start of the jubilee year (Lev 25:9)
8) The shofar is a reminder that God is sovereign (Psalm 47:5)
9) The ram's horn is a reminder of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac and
God's provision of a ram as a substitute (Genesis 22:13)
10) The shofar was blown to announce the beginning of festivals
(Numbers 10:10). The shofar was blown to celebrate the new
moon on Rosh HaShanah (Psalm 81:1-3)
11) The blowing of the shofar is a signal for the call of repentance
(Isaiah 58:1)
12) The blowing of the shofar ushers in the day of the Lord
(Joel 2:1)
13) The blowing of the shofar is sounded at the resurrection of the
dead (I Thess 4:16)
14) John was taken up to Heaven with the sound of a shofar (Rev 4:1)
15) Seven Shofarim are sounded when God judges the earth during the
tribulation period (Rev 8-9)
16) The shofar was used for the coronatino of kings
(I Kings 1:34, 39)
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Yet most of these scriptures are referring to people using some sort of trumpet, not God doing it. One of them is even only referring to part of an animals body that happens to be called a "horn" in English and has nothing at all to do with any sound at all. The few that are referring to a supernatural sound are always accompanied by something else which explains what the trumpet was all about. None of this is what the OP described. Once again, that's not to say that it definitely wasn't from God, but only to say that based on the description of what happened in the OP there are other possible explanations that need to be eliminated before making such a grand declaration of this being a direct sign from God.
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That's why I asked what sound did the trumpet make. Different sounds or blowings mean different things from what I understand. I don't have my notes on me, but there are 3 or 4 distinct blasts that signal various things. I only used those 16 points indicating throughout the bible, the trumpet or the shofar blasts mean something.

Hey, maybe I was presumptuous to say I believed him without testing it. I can admit that. But the blowing of the shofar we better get used to it's sound because we will be hearing it in the future.
 
Ryan said:
We see that being impossible given the world's conditions right now. But with God anything is possible.
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When I get to thinking how bad things look, I remember how far God has already brought man from the OT days. His tribe of peculiar people continues to grow.
 
Deborah13 said:
Ryan said:
I think we need to quit putting God and the Spirit in a box that only manifests itself only in the ways described in the bible.
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Ryan, I am going to stick my neck out here. I agree with you. The Bible is not a box, it is people who try to conform God to their beliefs rather than what the Word says. We do not know every detail of every experience that the prophets and others had with God. What is in the Word is what God chose to convey to us. But that does change the fact that we don't know all the details. If we refuse to surrender to the Holy Spirit because we don't see a clear description of something we may be missing something that God wants you to have or give. Yes, we must use discernment, there are many lying spirits. So we pray and ask for guidance.
Luke 11:12
Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?

I have received permission to share this story from a family member that I have known all her life.
She was a baby Christian at this time and just started going to a small church. The church had a traveling Christian band come to their church. Now this very young woman had never seen anyone "slain in the Spirit", I even hate to use the term as the whole thing has been so abused. She didn't even know the term or heard of people being overcome by the Spirit.
The lead singer in the band was going through some trials and asked the Pastor if he would pray for him after the service. The pastor asked this young woman to come and join in the prayer. She had her hand on the young man's shoulder and the pastor had his hand gently touching her forearm. NO one including the pastor, it would seem, expected what happened, they were the only three at the front. Some other members were still there but it was very quiet. As she prayed two things happened to both she and the young man. She said that she became very weak in the knees but she kept standing as long as she could. She just couldn't stand anymore, she crumbled. No one caught her. She said as she laid there she just felt a warmth and peace and then joy. Afterward, she found out that the same thing happened to the young man at the same time.
No one could ever convince me or her that she had not had a very powerful experience with the Lord.
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I agree, the Spirit can manifest itself within someone in whatever way the Spirit sees fit. John points out all that Jesus did was not recorded.

John 20:30
Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;

And yes, we pray and ask for guidance.
 
Deborah13 said:
Ryan said:
We see that being impossible given the world's conditions right now. But with God anything is possible.
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When I get to thinking how bad things look, I remember how far God has already brought man from the OT days. His tribe of peculiar people continues to grow.
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I get more and more excited as time goes on for what exactly will happen. We tend to look at the patriarchs and imagine (I do anyways) what it was like to live in their day, but everything is pointing to our day. When we talk with Abraham and the other patriarchs, just as much as we want to know what their life was like, I believe they will want to know even moreso what our day was like. The bible is pointing to this age and this generation, and no matter how difficult it will be, even unto death, it will surely be an adventure worth sharing with our brothers and sisters already with Christ. IMHO
 
Ryan said:
Hey, maybe I was presumptuous to say I believed him without testing it..
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And someone could say the opposite about me: that I don't even give the guy a chance. 25 years ago, my response would have been different, well, likely it would have been different.

But....
Fact is, I'm 53 and found the Lord (ok, I think HE found ME!) at age 17. That is a LONG time, and I've been observing life thru the prism of God's word AND my own life experiences for a LONG time. I cannot simply ignore what I have learned over the years - God gave me a brain and intuition as well as salvation and faith.

One more thing, when God DOES have something to say, if the message is meant for all, the record shows that He is very effective in communicating his message. Little is left to doubt. NOT TO SAY that people listen and believe, but those willing to listen (from what I've read) don't miss the message!

IF it were the Lord, there would be no doubt.
 
handy said:
Pizzaguy said:
I was referring to more than one verse in HABAKKUK. I've seen 'pastors' use that one verse to try to convince people that ANY WEIRD or "spiritual" assertion the pastor makes is valid.
I almost walked out of a church in Jackson, Michigan in the 1980s over such an incident. I ended up leaving within a month anyway, but that one incident realy "did it" to open my eyes to the (almost new-age) nonsense he was spewing.
Click to expand...

Taking time for a read through of the context of the Habakkuk text... You're absolutely right, the context of the verse does cast a different light onto the kind of wonders that God's people would be amazed at.
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I've been a Christian for a LOT of years, Handy. I'm not always right, but I seldom, on this forum, post something without thinking! (Might be why my post count is so low after such a long time on here...)
 
Pizzaguy said:
Ryan said:
Hey, maybe I was presumptuous to say I believed him without testing it..
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And someone could say the opposite about me: that I don't even give the guy a chance. 25 years ago, my response would have been different, well, likely it would have been different.

But....
Fact is, I'm 53 and found the Lord (ok, I think HE found ME!) at age 17. That is a LONG time, and I've been observing life thru the prism of God's word AND my own life experiences for a LONG time. I cannot simply ignore what I have learned over the years - God gave me a brain and intuition as well as salvation and faith.

One more thing, when God DOES have something to say, if the message is meant for all, the record shows that He is very effective in communicating his message. Little is left to doubt. NOT TO SAY that people listen and believe, but those willing to listen (from what I've read) don't miss the message!

IF it were the Lord, there would be no doubt.
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Hmmm...you have been a believer for almost as long as I have been alive. I'll defer to your experience. I have just been studying the feasts lately, and thinking about how we are going to celebrate the Feast of Trumpets in September, so I had major shofar on my brain. So when I heard trumpets blowing, you could say I had a shofargasm (copyright on its way). Nonetheless, on the testimony of 2 - 3 witnesses....

Praying for your family.
 
Wchristenfaith said:
I was taking my dog outside and all of a sudden I heard trumpets coming from nowhere...? I was listening to Christian music at the time and I was really into it. It came suddenly, and at first I thought it was part of the music, but then I turned it off and I heard it again! I live in the middle of the country and there were no cars around so I know it wasnt that. What do you think it was??? Thanks!
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Hello, I'm not sure exactly what you heard, but what you said about trumpets has been heard by many people around the world. In the last 2-3 years people have been hearing trumpet-like sounds in the sky, or similar metallic sounds, as if it's something grinding --- also big, mysterious booms. As a matter of fact, I posted a thread about this awhile back but this site's search engine was not working, otherwise I'd post a link to that thread.

On another Christian forum we talked about this a lot, whether they are something supernatural (as in judgement), or natural (such as a precursor to an earthquake) or something odd in-between the two extremes (e.g. conspiracy theories such as HAARP.)

Here's a you tube example of maybe what you are hearing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXXfHfixRvU

You may want to search youtube for other examples. Also, I like to listen to
Coast-to-Coast-AM (they are available on youtube if you don't want to stay up late) and they often talk about stuff like this that most people are afraid to tackle.

Frankly, I don't know what these are, but I'm open to any plausible theory myself such as what I stated.
 
There is a possibility that what was heard is from the one seen who was a choir leader of heaven at one time? Ezekiel 28:13-18

But maybe this belongs in the Last day forum?

My question is the purpose of the.. Re: I'm heard trumpets outside my house...???

--Elijah
 
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