I'm switching Bible versions,

[Free]

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The difference is this is God we're talking about and not candy. Zondervan doesn't just do business with them. Harper Collins bought them out in the 80's and they have done many revisions since then. They're making it more gender neutral. So I'm not going to be trusting a Bible that was bought out and revised by promoters of Satan.

I think a better analogy is: Buying some Milk Duds® for your kids from the Heroin dealer down the street.



1 Timothy 3:16
http://www.scionofzion.com/1_timothy_3_16.htm

KJV Revisions
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvupdt.html

So are you prepared to throw out your KJV? :yes

 

[Guest]

I actually have two ESV bibles, the other one is thicker and explains scripture in detail at the bottom of each page. I love them both, i can't complain. Blessings.

 

[farouk]

ESV has the reputation of being a good, conservative version; basically the old RSV with some of the bobos fixed.

I do prefer the King James, NKJV and KJ21 myself.

Blessings.

 

[YosefHayim]

So are you prepared to throw out your KJV?

No because I don't buy Harper Collins-Zondervan. You're making the invalid arguments here. Zondervan/HC owns the rights over the NIV not the KJV. I stay completely away from Zondervan in general.

-Zondervan's NIV Teen Study Bible 1993. Changed 1998.

And you are welcome to your thought. It's not my thought, but then nobody said it was.

Just Sayin'

 

[Free]

So are you prepared to throw out your KJV?

No because I don't buy Harper Collins-Zondervan. You're making the invalid arguments here. Zondervan/HC owns the rights over the NIV not the KJV. I stay completely away from Zondervan in general.

You stated: "Then you can trust your bible that's published by satanists filled with perversions of Christ."

My point is that they also publish the KJV.

I suppose that this would be a good time to tell you that Zondervan, and therefore HarperCollins, do not own the copyright to the NIV. It's held by Biblica, formerly known as the International Bible Society, the company that did the first translation.

http://www.biblica.com/biblica-about-us/terms-of-use/

Again, HarperCollins is a publisher. They publish books. They have licensed commercial rights to the NIV, from Biblica, but do not hold the copyright. They merely publish the NIV, just as they do the KJV. You have no argument.

 

[YosefHayim]

You stated: "Then you can trust your bible that's published by satanists filled with perversions of Christ." My point is that they also publish the KJV. I suppose that this would be a good time to tell you that Zondervan, and therefore HarperCollins, do not own the copyright to the NIV. It's held by Biblica, formerly known as the International Bible Society, the company that did the first translation. http://www.biblica.com/biblica-about-us/terms-of-use/ Again, HarperCollins is a publisher. They publish books. They have licensed commercial rights to the NIV, from Biblica, but do not hold the copyright. They merely publish the NIV, just as they do the KJV. You have no argument.

So I am wrong on who owned the copyright. Yes. They are owned by Biblica Inc.

Albiet the copyright is owned by Biblica Inc., Zondervan still has rights and permissions and contributes to changes and edits. They don't just merely publish. They are owned by Harper Collins which is a subsidiary to News Corporation (CEO Rupert Murdoch, who is also a Bilderberger/Porn Distributer.) meaning that they are controlled by them. They put out porn, the satanic bibel, the Simpsons, (and bogus media news sources). So Zondervan contributes to and promotes revisions, such as gender neutral translations and also extras (study guides etc.). They are a division of a company that is a subsidiary. They were bought out by HC and NC. There are bigger guys pulling strings, and have tainted the word of God. So every time you buy a Zondervan book you are contributing to porn, satanism, and corruption.


My point is that they also publish the KJV.
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And my point is that I haven't bought my KJV from such corrupt corporations such as Zondervan.
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Yes. Zondervan also publishes KJVs among other translations. However Zondervan did not publish the original KJV. The KJV was not bought out by Harper-Collins. The KJV is hundreds of years old and published by hundreds of different people. Zondervan can't contribute anything against the KJV except for the KJVs that they, themselves, publish. The KJV has not been revised like NIV has been revised changing the meanings and doctrines of the text, (The revisions of the NKJV does not count as KJV. That is a ploy).

In the end, I do still have my doubts about the KJV since it is only a translation which is why I am looking toward studying the actual God-breathed scriptures that were in the original language. Howbeit, I stand to the KJV more than any other version. The NIV is the only translation hitherto that I find tainted by corruption. I eventually want to rid of my NLT because I'm not happy with what I've found on it. Seldom do I use it as a parallel. And I only look to the CJB for the Old Testament.

Overall it's not the book you trust, but Jesus you trust. But if you want to know Jesus for what he truly is, I stand to fact the NIV being a disappointment for that.

http://truthinheart.com/Zondervan.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/will-braun/rupert-murdoch-bible-mogul_b_900095.html
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-International-Version-NIV-Bible/#copy
http://www.mlive.com/living/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/03/zondervan_releases_new_version.html
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs018/1102797716062/archive/1104842697260.html
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvupdt.html

 

[farouk]

My two cents' is that if one looked hard enough, one could probably find some 'reason why not' to buy a KJV from many of its publishers.

My further two cents' would be instead to commend prayerfully to the Spirit of God the many copies of God's Word that are going out.

 

[YosefHayim]

My two cents' is that if one looked hard enough, one could probably find some 'reason why not' to buy a KJV from many of its publishers.

I'm not buying a KJV from Zondervan, that's for sure.

 

[farouk]

My two cents' is that if one looked hard enough, one could probably find some 'reason why not' to buy a KJV from many of its publishers.

I'm not buying a KJV from Zondervan, that's for sure.

Okay, you've decided what you want to do.

(If a stack of Bibles was at your church and being sent to Africa and you looked and saw that they happened to be KJV's from Zondervan that someone had obtained and given to your church, I think you would be glad that they were going to be put to good use.)

Blessings.

 

[YosefHayim]

Okay, you've decided what you want to do. (If a stack of Bibles was at your church and being sent to Africa and you looked and saw that they happened to be KJV's from Zondervan that someone had obtained and given to your church, I think you would be glad that they were going to be put to good use.) Blessings.

Though that's hypothetical, I guess it's better than nothing. I just hope that the Zondervan KJV aren't tampered like the NIV is corrupted. I'm not saying these books can't bring people to God, I'm just saying that I feel it's unfortunate that large corporations have gained control over the scriptures, and that translations have been altered. I guess in the last days you best hold fast to faith in Jesus.

 

[Sparkey]

"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's Milk Duds® all the way down!" :infinity

What 'cha think? Could that old lady mean that the original manuscripts are not the same as the copies?

We're still in General Talk, so we won't go there. Too much debatey-stuffy for 'dis thread.

 

[YosefHayim]

:infinity

This emoticon reminds me of psychedelic drugs. Say no to pharmakiea

 

[George Muller]

I switched from NIV to NASB, though there was a time I used NKJV because I liked the language, which was a little easier to understand than KJV. The reason I put NIV away was because of the inordinate amount of assumptions and errors in translation. NASB, I have found, is quite a bit more accurate.

BTW, I have used esword in the past, which is software where you can download many different versions of the bible and compare them side by side. There are other awesome tools included, but the biggest benefit is being able to compare versions.

I have noticed more and more issues with this NIV, just this morning I had the thought that this translation seems to be full of errors? Then I read your post?
P.S. I read the debate from above and would like to thank both sides for working through the issue, and doing it in a honest way. I learned a few things and am more convinced than ever that a good understanding of the Greek will be needed in these last days.

 

[Free]

You stated: "Then you can trust your bible that's published by satanists filled with perversions of Christ." My point is that they also publish the KJV. I suppose that this would be a good time to tell you that Zondervan, and therefore HarperCollins, do not own the copyright to the NIV. It's held by Biblica, formerly known as the International Bible Society, the company that did the first translation. http://www.biblica.com/biblica-about-us/terms-of-use/ Again, HarperCollins is a publisher. They publish books. They have licensed commercial rights to the NIV, from Biblica, but do not hold the copyright. They merely publish the NIV, just as they do the KJV. You have no argument.

So I am wrong on who owned the copyright. Yes. They are owned by Biblica Inc.

Albiet the copyright is owned by Biblica Inc., Zondervan still has rights and permissions and contributes to changes and edits. They don't just merely publish. They are owned by Harper Collins which is a subsidiary to News Corporation (CEO Rupert Murdoch, who is also a Bilderberger/Porn Distributer.) meaning that they are controlled by them. They put out porn, the satanic bibel, the Simpsons, (and bogus media news sources). So Zondervan contributes to and promotes revisions, such as gender neutral translations and also extras (study guides etc.). They are a division of a company that is a subsidiary. They were bought out by HC and NC. There are bigger guys pulling strings, and have tainted the word of God. So every time you buy a Zondervan book you are contributing to porn, satanism, and corruption.


My point is that they also publish the KJV.
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And my point is that I haven't bought my KJV from such corrupt corporations such as Zondervan.
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Yes. Zondervan also publishes KJVs among other translations. However Zondervan did not publish the original KJV. The KJV was not bought out by Harper-Collins. The KJV is hundreds of years old and published by hundreds of different people. Zondervan can't contribute anything against the KJV except for the KJVs that they, themselves, publish. The KJV has not been revised like NIV has been revised changing the meanings and doctrines of the text, (The revisions of the NKJV does not count as KJV. That is a ploy).

In the end, I do still have my doubts about the KJV since it is only a translation which is why I am looking toward studying the actual God-breathed scriptures that were in the original language. Howbeit, I stand to the KJV more than any other version. The NIV is the only translation hitherto that I find tainted by corruption. I eventually want to rid of my NLT because I'm not happy with what I've found on it. Seldom do I use it as a parallel. And I only look to the CJB for the Old Testament.

Overall it's not the book you trust, but Jesus you trust. But if you want to know Jesus for what he truly is, I stand to fact the NIV being a disappointment for that.

http://truthinheart.com/Zondervan.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/will-braun/rupert-murdoch-bible-mogul_b_900095.html
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-International-Version-NIV-Bible/#copy
http://www.mlive.com/living/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/03/zondervan_releases_new_version.html
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs018/1102797716062/archive/1104842697260.html
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvupdt.html

And yet none of what you have given shows in any way whatsoever that there is anything wrong with the NIV. Your entire argument is based on an error in reasoning.

BTW, you would do well to stay away from sites such as av1611. It would go a long way in avoiding such logical errors.

 

[SeekHisFace]

If someone else has posted this ... forgive me...

I can tell you what is missing out of the NIV:

Mat_17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

No wonder they didn't want that in there..."they" would not want us to be casting them out from among God's people...

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I'm NIV all the way.
I seem to be doing okay after 28 1/2 years.

 

[YosefHayim]

And yet none of what you have given shows in any way whatsoever that there is anything wrong with the NIV. Your entire argument is based on an error in reasoning. BTW, you would do well to stay away from sites such as av1611. It would go a long way in avoiding such logical errors.

Zondervan is controlled and owned by big corrupt corporations that are selling porn and promoting satanism and they have rights and permissions to contribute to
changes in the NIV. You're right. I guess it's ok to buy candy from pedophiles now. I guess I'll just go contribute and help porn distributers and satanists make some money. I mean there's not 1001 red flags to begin with, but It's still ok to get a bible that can't get the translations right either.

you would do well to stay away from sites such as av1611. It would go a long way in avoiding such logical errors.

These two sentences are a hypocritical paradox.

 

[Guest]

Why are you guys turning God's word into a religious algebra problem.

 

[farouk]

And yet none of what you have given shows in any way whatsoever that there is anything wrong with the NIV. Your entire argument is based on an error in reasoning. BTW, you would do well to stay away from sites such as av1611. It would go a long way in avoiding such logical errors.

Zondervan is controlled and owned by big corrupt corporations that are selling porn and promoting satanism and they have rights and permissions to contribute to
changes in the NIV. You're right. I guess it's ok to buy candy from pedophiles now. I guess I'll just go contribute and help porn distributers and satanists make some money. I mean there's not 1001 red flags to begin with, but It's still ok to get a bible that can't get the translations right either.

you would do well to stay away from sites such as av1611. It would go a long way in avoiding such logical errors.

These two sentences are a hypocritical paradox.

YosefHayim:

By the way, did you consider that the company that supplies paper on which porn in printed , might also supply paper to another company that prints Bibles. Okay so how about avoiding that company altogether, too...? But wait a minute: what if the company that sells paper to another company that prints Bibles, non-Democrat-leaning newspapers, etc. only, actually gets the paper pulp from the same commercial forest in Canada as, say, the company that prints Bibles and porn? (Where does it all end? )

I think we need to be careful not to get too fixated, and simply be thankful that the Word in the form of the KJV, etc. is going out.

Blessings.

 

[SeekHisFace]

A search of the forums will show at least two threads in which that very argument is shown to be fallacious.

http://www.harpercollins.com/books/...-Vey?isbn=9780380015399&HCHP=TB_Satanic+Bible

Then you can trust your bible that's published by satanists filled with perversions of Christ.

If you search their site, you will notice that they sell several different editions of the KJV, like this one:

http://www.harpercollins.com/books/Holy-Bible-?isbn=9780007166329&HCHP=TB_Holy+Bible

So, if you want to continue using that argument, then you had better be consistent and throw out your KJV, since, as you stated, "you can trust your bible that's published by satanists filled with perversions of Christ." Not to mention the NRSV and numerous books by Christian authors. Interestingly, I couldn't even find an NIV.

They're a publisher. They don't write the books, they publish them. As such, they have nothing to do with the whether or not the contents of any given book are true and it certainly doesn't mean they're Satanists.

Therefore, your argument is fallacious.

Well...you will need to know if you have the "authorized" version
My only recollection is that the NKJ has their satanic symbol in it.