In God we Trust?

[stovebolts]

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If lawyer Michael Newdow wins his case - it is a very real possibility that your children and grandchildren will grow up in a land where "In God We Trust" is banned.

Our National Motto, "In God We Trust," is once again under attack for being, of all things, "unconstitutional" ...

... even though it has officially been the National Motto of the United States since Congress so declared it in 1956, and is also prominently engraved on the wall in the United States House of Representatives.

Likewise, it is reproduced on every coin minted and every dollar printed by the federal government.

But if Michael Newdow gets his way, "In God We Trust" could literally be banned forever.

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It has significant implications.

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The banning of these four words from our nation's currency would set the stage for the loss of even more religious liberties.

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[Quath]

I much prefer the original historical motto, E pluribus unum. It means "from many, one." It is a very good motto because it is about people coming together.

"In God We Trust" is a Christian attempt to push their views on the public in so that the public has to recognize the Christian deity when making monetary transactions. Christians would not accept "In Allah We Trust" or "In Satan We Trust." So it is clearly an attempt of Congress to establish Christianity, which is against the first amendment.

Also, if the motto goes away, that doesn't mean you can't use "In God We Trust." You can use it as much as you want. The only difference is that it will not be forced upon others as the official motto.

 

[peace4all]

I don't see why others can't see what quath is stating. It is so easy to see it and yet everyone claims that "by NOT saying it, you are saying God Doesn't exist"

So then for a hundred and somethign years the US didn't recognize God?
So then since we don't recognize allah or budha, neither of them must exist right?
Your car doesn't say "in God we trust" so every time you drive you must not be recognizing God.. Right?

 

[lovely]

If the courts will be completely fair, and unbiased, then Michael will loose this case. There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, unconstitutional about the motto. So much time, and expense, is wasted on bigoted hate in this country. Quath, and peace, I do not mean that either of you are in that category because you disagree...so, please don't think that, but Michael is an out, and out, bigot against believers...and the ACLU aids him, and others, in using the courts for the purpose of trying to hurt people that he disagrees with. If Michael is worried about upholding the constitution, he has a funny way of showing it....given the course he has chosen to take.

The constitution does NOT say that we can not use christian symbols, or phrases, or prayers, or speeches that mention JESUS, or other such things...and it FORCES no one to BE a CHRISTIAN by allowing others to do so anywhere...even in government buildings. In fact, many people are here making up one nation because of the tolerance, of a mostly religious nation...at least in principal. Like it or not, that's the truth of it.

Sorry if you don't like the motto, but of all the things I dislike in this nation that I am FORCED to pay taxes for, and FORCED to have represent me...I think the mottos, monuments, and such...that are valid parts of history, are the LEAST of our worries.

And yet, we are willing to divide, spend, and hate in order to have them sandblasted out of history so that the Michael's of this nation are not offended. It's all intended to spit in the eye of the religious right. (They don't represent me either, btw.) We have already gone through the text books with an eraser, and most of the CHRISTIAN religous influence is gone from them, and how it has determined the course of our nation...which is valid, and has been removed so not to offend...how obsurd that is to me. Of course, government schools are not constitutional anyway...so I suppose it's par for the course when you allow such an entity to take over the education of our children. I wonder if the Jews allowed the Romans to educate their children??? If a child is learning partial truth for eight hours a day...we need to consider shutting down the schools that lack truth so that they do not offend, rather than wasting money erasing mottos.

The point is, the constitution does not prohibit such things, judges do. Quath, and peace, you have bought into a lie...read the constitiution, and notice the precedent of us having such things in our history to begin with...even if the motto was fairly modern. The thing is, the secular world has bought a lie, and I pray that God not give them over to it. The truth of the matter, is when you erase such things, and you eventually erase christianity, the remnant will be gone. This day I shutter at for those who hate HIM.

Judges making such decisions is in and of itself unconstitutional, and that is why these bigoted based lawsuits end up in the courts. And, I am not just talking about non-christians here. Michael is promoting something unconstitutional by filing a lawsuit, and removing a motto in an illegal manner, and he is not alone in this...the christians are following the same tactics. The motto isn't unconstitutional, the method is, though, and it's motivated by evil. Why else would Michael be in the courts, rather than trying to get the people to make a law?

The Lord bless all of you.

 

[Quath]

I do believe it is against the Constitution. The first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." By passing a law that says our motto is in trusting the Christian deity, it is establishing this religion as having a higher precedence than all other belief systems.

This nation may be mostly religious, but that is only about 85% of its people. So why adopt a motto that refers to 80% of the people when the previous one was inclusive of everyone?

Yet congress 50 years ago decided that it was more important to take a jab at godless communism that it decided that it was ok to bend the rules of the Constitution a little. They bent it a little more when they put "under God" in the Pledge. If you keep compromising on principles, you end up breaking them. So I see Newdow trying to repair our country and get rid of the divisive words.

Would you rather live in a country that had the motto " E pluribus unum" or "In Zeus We Trust"? That is what a lot of Americans have to deal with. It is no fun when the majority try to impose their god upon the minority.

 

[peace4all]

Think.. Just think if you raised your child to be a good christian. and he has to come home every day and say "Mom, Dad, In school they say under Allah. Does that mean I am wrong? All the other kids say it and I don't fit in. That makes me wrong and an outsider right?"

Every time I spend a penny, I am agreeing that God is real. and I don't believe that. Why is it that I have to be forced to use money that dictates that the except opposite of my belief is true?

 

[D46]

If you guys don't like what your money has stamped on it, send it to me and you won't have to be concerned about it!! And, if you don't like what America stands for...LEAVE! And, if you don't believe in God, leave the forum. What are you doing here anyway? :o If it wasn't for the goodness of God, you wouldn't have the common sense to use that keyboard and type this gibberish.

 

[peace4all]

If you guys don't like what your money has stamped on it, send it to me and you won't have to be concerned about it!! And, if you don't like what America stands for...LEAVE! And, if you don't believe in God, leave the forum. What are you doing here anyway? :o If it wasn't for the goodness of God, you wouldn't have the common sense to use that keyboard and type this gibberish.

Thats just your opinion that God gave me the sense to type, or anything...

We can go over this a million times if people want. America stands for freedom. the land of the Free and the brave.

not the land of the christians
not the land of God
not the land of religous persecution.

 

[Quath]

If you guys don't like what your money has stamped on it, send it to me and you won't have to be concerned about it!!

Heh. I have more fun inking out the "T".

And, if you don't like what America stands for...LEAVE!

America does not stand for Christianity. It stands for freedom and the right to persue happiness.

And, if you don't believe in God, leave the forum. What are you doing here anyway?

I believe this forum is also open to non-believers. I am here to understand and debate.

If it wasn't for the goodness of God, you wouldn't have the common sense to use that keyboard and type this gibberish.

Never saw God teach a typing class.

 

[D46]

Now I know why no one ever took the time to teach a mule how to talk...I'm sure you can put 2 and 2 together.

 

[Solo]

If you guys don't like what your money has stamped on it, send it to me and you won't have to be concerned about it!! And, if you don't like what America stands for...LEAVE! And, if you don't believe in God, leave the forum. What are you doing here anyway? :o If it wasn't for the goodness of God, you wouldn't have the common sense to use that keyboard and type this gibberish.

Oh let 'em stay; this is as close to heaven that they will ever get for the short time that they are here. 8-)

 

[moniker]

And, if you don't like what America stands for...leave!

I never understood the mindset behind this arguement. The more patriotic thing would be to stay and to work towards improving the deficiencies that we perceive in our country.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

If lawyer Michael Newdow wins his case - it is a very real possibility that your children and grandchildren will grow up in a land where "In God We Trust" is banned.

My view point.

The United States of America is the greatest nation in the world.

However, it is the greatest nation in a fallen sinful world. If and when America admits that it no longer trust in God, and officially becomes a pagan nation that turns its back on God, then without a doubt, God will turn its back on America. God simply does not bless pagan nations. Period.

So....
If America, the leader of the free world were to fall out from under the grace of God, what do you suppose would happen to the rest of the world?
Who or what would then take the place of the greatest Christian nation? I believe when this nation turns its back on God, our children and grandchildren won't have a prayer...

 

[Solo]

I never understood the mindset behind this arguement. The more patriotic thing would be to stay and to work towards improving the deficiencies that we perceive in our country.

It depends on whether your perceptions are unamerican. :wink:

 

[D46]

Oh let 'em stay; this is as close to heaven that they will ever get for the short time that they are here. 8-)

I suppose you're right, solo. Still this kind makes my blood boil to boldly come on here and not only deny God but to talk about my country sorely tries my patience.

I never understood the mindset behind this arguement. The more patriotic thing would be to stay and to work towards improving the deficiencies that we perceive in our country.

You'd understand it if you ever crawled waste deep in rice patties or low crawled through the bush in a forsaken place like Phu Loy, Viet Nam. You'd underestand it if you ever saw your childhood friends come back in a body bag with their heads missing or so gone they had to put sand in the coffin to give it weight to make family think someone was in there when they really weren't. I stand to tell you this is the greatest country in the world-not perfect, but far and away better than anywhere in this world. America at it's worse is better than any other place at it's best. We live in a country wherby no one will torture or kill you for possessing a bible. We live in a country where ALL children born are not cast away or murdered because a girl was born instead of a boy. I could go on for hours but understand this-God has given grace and protection to this countery because it is a bible believing, God fearing country for the most part and I pray that He never take his protective hand from us as he has so many other Godless countries. Look around, gentlemen and count your blessings.

Gabby-You said it well, little sister...very well.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

We live in a country wherby no one will torture or kill you for possessing a bible.

I have been through some unspeakable things for the cause of Christ. It does happen in this country.

Gabby-You said it well, little sister...very well.

Aw, shucks. Thanks.

 

[jgredline]

If you guys don't like what your money has stamped on it, send it to me and you won't have to be concerned about it!! And, if you don't like what America stands for...LEAVE! And, if you don't believe in God, leave the forum. What are you doing here anyway? :o If it wasn't for the goodness of God, you wouldn't have the common sense to use that keyboard and type this gibberish.

D46
You almost had it right.



































If you guys don't like what your money has stamped on it, send it to me and you won't have to be concerned about it!! And, if you don't like what America stands for...LEAVE! And, if you don't believe in God, leave the forum. What are you doing here anyway? :o If it wasn't for the goodness of God, you wouldn't have the common sense to use that keyboard and type this gibberish

Thats better :-D

 

[D46]

You're right...that does look better!!

 

[lovely]

Peace,

Every time I spend a penny, I am agreeing that God is real. and I don't believe that. Why is it that I have to be forced to use money that dictates that the except opposite of my belief is true?

Peace, do you think every time I spend money that I agree that public education is okay, or that commercialism is okay, or that abortion is okay, or that homosexuality is okay, or that all types of medical insurance is okay, or that tax exemption of loads of churches, and charities, is okay, or that all the books in the public libraries are okay, or that all the government spending is okay, or that charitable contributions by the government to all organizations and countries is okay, or that medical drugs of any kind are all okay, or that all hospital practices are okay, or that all food is okay, and so on, and so on? The money we earn goes to them, and our household earnings go to them. We render unto caesar that which is his. I live in this nation, even though many things are unconstitutional, and am forced to pay for things that I feel are detestable to God, and have nothing to do with the Constitution at all...that go against it actually. We all live with things we don't care for, and we all vote accordingly, but the tactics of Michael, and others who make laws in the court system through judges, is ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. People in this nation need to understand that, and they need to tear a lot of things out of the hands of the government, and courts, that never were intended to be there in the first place. We are our own worst tyrants.

Secularism is a belief system. How is this system more fair, or objective? Let's not kid ourselves, it's not, and no religion is being established really because of this motto, and other such things of a Christian nature. The establishment comes in when free expression, and speech, of the people, including those that work in the government, is restricted, and their rights are trampled by the current religion that Congress IS establishing. (AND, what they call it, and what it is are two different things) When people are no longer able to bear arms. When people are forced to inject their children with foreign chemicals...or feed them to them. When people can no longer talk about God in a specific building, and so on. And, to be frank, I don't care who is in office, and who has the majority...it is NEVER christianity in a true sense being represented...though those making the laws may claim it to gain votes. If we measure secularism by the same measure we do any other belief system, it's not as objective, or neutral, as everyone proclaims when viewed in the same light. Secularism is an example of the beginnings of an establishment of a religion, the religion of no religion trampling the rights of many of the christian faith, and other faiths, who may not speak, share, or express their faith. It's not against the law to tell your students that you don't believe in God, or tell them all the reasons why...or to tear down students for their belief in the God of Truth under the secularist's religion...seen it, experienced it, and it IS condoned. Proselytizing???? And EVOLUTION: If that is not ESTABLISHING RELIGION by the most underhanded methods, then I don't know what is, and it is all under the heading of Secularism being honored in the religion-free zone. Not buying it at all. It's also established when the people allow the government to create, take over, and regulate, organizations that are unconstitutional...like the IRS, Public Education, Welfare, Health Care, and so on.

True religion is established by Jesus Christ in the hearts of man, He is the Conerstone of the Established church. It is for the benefit of the United States that we should leave it...the believers have that motto written on their hearts by the hand of God! It's the remnant of believers that keeps this nation for now. If they are foolish enough to remove all references to God, then I can not stop them, but I also do not give up praying for them. I can vote as God would have me vote, and I can be truthful to all I meet about Christ, but I can not keep a nation apart from my prayers for it's leaders, and my love for it's citizens.

Quath, establishment of religion by the congress means just that...not all the other additives that you, and many others, have been programmed to think, and say, it means. Acknowledgment of God by a nation's government is not equal to forcing it's citizens to be believers through an established religion. In fact, we have only practiced religious tolerance. They are NOT equal, and the example of how they existed along side one another for this long is proof. By the way, it's not possible to force anyone to be a believer...even if they are spending money that acknowledges that their country trusts in God. As far as my little corner of the country in God we DO trust..."As for me, and my house, we will serve the Lord!"

What was the intention of this even being placed in the Constitution? England had an established religion that trampled the rights of people's freedom of religion...it was to protect the freedom of religion, not the government. The religious right didn't make that up. :-D I learned it in the PUBLIC school before the text books were erased. :o It was intended to keep the government from acting like their former king, and assuming a position as head of the church...like the Anglican church. No one is forcing you to join an established religion just because there are religious symbols and sayings on buildings, and on certain documents. These things are a valid part of our history. There are things in our history that I would like to erase as I teach my children, but I don't. And, there are things I am pleased with, inspired by, but they share the same history with the things I abhor. The point is, that the government needs no protection from religion at all...just the opposite. The people, even religious ones, need protection from the government which exerts more power every day (because we give it away) and who erases it's own history to deceive it's people, and at the people's own request even!

I think if we put things in context, the actions of Michael are revealed to be bigotry, and others like him...including some christians who endorse, and act, in the same illegal manner. I pray for all of them, and our leaders of this nation. Yet, in the same breath I am thankful for this country, even with all of the problems and the stripping away of our rights, because I still have some rights...and I will teach my children to hide the Word in their hearts for those tougher days that may follow. I am also thankful for my brothers and sisters in Christ who in times past shed their blood for religious freedoms, and for all who have served to keep our country free. But, mostly I am grateful for Christ who shed His blood at calvary so that my spirit is free no matter what is going on in this world. I do not hate Michael, or others like him. I pray for them. All will glorify God either way. We face these issues ultimately because the government is too big, and because we have traded our rights for the luxury of chains.

Peace, and Quath, I respectfully disagree with the two of you, though I am not sure I feel any more represented by this nation than you two. I wonder how many people truly do.

I pray that the Lord blesses both of you today, and I pray that you come to know true freedom.

 

[moniker]

You'd understand it if you ever crawled waste deep in rice patties or low crawled through the bush in a forsaken place like Phu Loy, Viet Nam. You'd underestand it if you ever saw your childhood friends come back in a body bag with their heads missing or so gone they had to put sand in the coffin to give it weight to make family think someone was in there when they really weren't. I stand to tell you this is the greatest country in the world-not perfect, but far and away better than anywhere in this world. America at it's worse is better than any other place at it's best. We live in a country wherby no one will torture or kill you for possessing a bible. We live in a country where ALL children born are not cast away or murdered because a girl was born instead of a boy. I could go on for hours but understand this-God has given grace and protection to this countery because it is a bible believing, God fearing country for the most part and I pray that He never take his protective hand from us as he has so many other Godless countries. Look around, gentlemen and count your blessings.

No, I'm pretty sure I'd still find it difficult to understand how you can just tell people to leave the country because they want to work to improve it in a way that you disagree with. That, I would say, is an un-American position to hold and a horrible stance to argue from.

You said it yourself, we aren't perfect. So lets work to fix those areas where we are failing; rather than drive out everyone who can find fault with where we are and where we are heading.