In God we Trust?

[mutzrein]

Anyone want to come to NZ? - aka 'GODZONE' or 'God's own'

It's a great place - and far enough from Aussie to be self governing. :

 

[SputnikBoy]

Anyone want to come to NZ? - aka 'GODZONE' or 'God's own'

It's a great place - and far enough from Aussie to be self governing. :

:o You have your own government . . .?

 

[mutzrein]

:o You have your own government . . .?

Sure! Someone has to make the laws that govern those dudes rounding up all the sheep.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Oh, that's right ...how silly of me . . .baaahhh :smt081

I just assumed all of the Kiwis were over here.

 

[Oscar3]

I like Kiwi friut 8-)

 

[the king is coming]

I can remember on Sunday not a place of business was open. We did not have fast food places.There was no Porn of any type. Most of all all the people in the town went to Church when the doors were open. I can remember when you did not have to lock everything up just to go to the store. People worked and when you were down people came to help you get a job,help feed your family,if some one had something that would help you they gave it. They did not think, now what am I going to get out of this.Etc..
Etc.....
When people take God out of their life, look what happens, it is going to get a lot worse unless Jesus comes back. It is all in the bible. The bible is a road map. There is so much one can say on this. I love the Lord, And I like the country I live in. I may not like the things others do.
The King is coming

 

[peace4all]

well. If you also note, the number of pirates has also been dwindling. So, since we are removing pirates from our society, and not as many people are becoming pirates, I blame that.

 

[mutzrein]

Sputnik & Oscar

Like most things in our fair land, sheep AND kiwi fruit are imports.

Kiwifruit hail from China (aka chinese gooseberries) and the sheep? . . . they've been around since Adam was a cow... no . . . shepherd. And successfully introduced to NZ about the time of the first missionaries prior to 1840.

So, we have laws governing sheep and laws governing kiwifruit. In fact we have laws governing everything. You name it, if there isn't a law governing it yet, there soon will be. And I'm not pulling the wool over your eyes :

 

[stovebolts]

Hi peace4all,

How I see this.

The majority of americans can also walk. So why have wheelchair ramps?

Because we try to be considerate and enable those with disabilities to be productive members of society... A minor benifit is that it helps to reduce the burdon of the tax payer by allowing people with disabilities to become productive members of society.

The majority of americans, live in urbanized areas. So why provide education, or roads or utilitites to non urban areas?

I'll bite my tongue on this one :

It would be diffrent if we put the minorities view first and said "In allah we trust" or "religions are fake so we trust ourselves" I would totally agree with you and think that is wrong. However, we are merely making something that EVERYONE can use, and EVERYONE can enjoy. If a building has a wheelchair ramp. Does it impede the non disabled?

No, but if you force me to use one just because it's there, I might get a bit irritated. My mom has a wheelchair ramp at her house and it's a pain in the neck to use. If you notice, most buildings also have stairs. Is it just chance that the stairs get more use when compared to the wheelchair ramp?
The fact of the matter is this though. Our country was founded on Christian principals and simply put, we should have the predominant voice in America.

you may say that beign disabled and being religous cannot be comparable. But do you not hold your faith at such a high regard, that it effects almost every aspect of your life?

I certainly see what your saying and in the way you compare the two. However, my faith should not impeed the way I look at another human being. If anything, I should continually strive to look at others in humilty and compassion. When I see a disabled person, I should want to assist that person and if they refuse my assistance, then I should thank them and wish them well. Does this mean that I should use the wheelchair ramp each time I see one? No, but I should provide the option for one, to those who need it.

 

[stovebolts]

Sorry for sifting through your last post and only selecting what I feel is pertenant to this thread.

What if it were reversed. Say for some reason, atheists managed to get enough seats in congress (not likely today but maybe in 100 years?). If the changed it to "under no God" would you think that was acceptable?

Sometimes it doesn't matter what's 'acceptable', it just matters "What it IS". Being a Christian wasn't 'acceptable' in the first century, but those in the community of believers held fast to their faith and 2000 years later, here we are.
It's good that you, Scott, have a goal and an agenda, but I don't see athiests as being oppressed so I don't really understand why you feel that your faith needs liberated from the bonds that have given you the freedom to rebel and resist without dire consequences to begin with. It almost seems to me like the old saying, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"...

I could write more in reply to your response... but lets not go there just yet huh?

 

[stovebolts]

well. If you also note, the number of pirates has also been dwindling. So, since we are removing pirates from our society, and not as many people are becoming pirates, I blame that.

I dunno... Johnny Depp did pretty good in his last movie :

 

[peace4all]

well.. stovebolts.... You can also argue that America was founded on secularism, Humanism, and dieism.. Because in fact, they were. Many of the laws we have also were influneced, not by just Christianity, but by other religions, or great empires that may, or may not have been Christian.

Because the Native Americans originally settled the americas, and this land, should they be given the predominate voice?

btw, Murder being bad, Is not just a Christian principle, it is a human principle. every culture seems to have some sort of punishment for it, wether they are Christian, Hindu, Islamic, or atheistical. Same with stealing, lieing, cheating and most other things.

Coudl you not see it as, the USA was founded on Human principles? as Christianity is also based on, and most other faiths, or lack there of?

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

My view point.

The United States of America is the greatest nation in the world.

And how do you arrive at that, Gabby? Just because it's YOUR country? You would never convince an Australian of that. Or a New Zealander. Or an Englishman. Or a ...I could go on and on. What constitutes 'the greatest nation in the world' anyway ...the country where I (ME) happen to live ...?

Other than the fact that I can't seem to get a copy of the DVD here in Australia of 'The Swimmer' (Burt Lancaster) and 'The Martian Chronicles' (Rock Hudson) the U.S. is no better (or greater) than Australia. And I know since I arrived here in 1980 from Kansas.

You must have noticed the words "My viewpoint". You had to, you copied and pasted them.

So Australia is an okay country, huh? wouldn't be just cause you live there, now would it?

 

[mutzrein]

You must have noticed the words "My viewpoint". You had to, you copied and pasted them.

So Australia is an okay country, huh? wouldn't be just cause you live there, now would it?

Well I reckon NZ must be well up there - if not THE greatest. And those wealthy yanks flock here in their droves like the sheep on a thousand hills and they can't stop bleating to us about how beautiful and green it is here.

And then what do they do? Well, many sneak back to the US, hiding the fact that they have discovered paradise, sell everything they have, move to NZ and buy as much of GODZONE as they can. A real life parable! :

 

[SputnikBoy]

You must have noticed the words "My viewpoint". You had to, you copied and pasted them.

So Australia is an okay country, huh? wouldn't be just cause you live there, now would it?

No, no, Gabby ...Australia is the GREATEST country in the world with or without my living here!

Really though, Australia is a land mass like any other country. It has its good and not so good people living on it. Most, however, seem to get along quite well with one another. Racism, while it probably exists covertly in some, is not REALLY an issue here. Some Aboriginal people would not agree with that sentiment, however.

Australians elect their own government and are allowed to complain about its performance without penalty. If they don't like it, they can vote for the other party the next time. Invariably, they will probably complain about it also eventually. Comedians and TV shows satirize politics and politicians constantly without fear of reprisal. Australians have similar freedoms to the U.S.

The lifestyle is quite an affluent one but, as with the U.S., we have our share of 'lower economic' folks here. For those ones we have a safety net that supplies ALL with at least the means to provide them with the basic needs. A welfare recipient here is wealthy indeed by comparison to some in many other countries. The cost of living is probably comparable to that of the U.S. The majority of people work each day (40 hours or less per week), come home late-afternoon and do 'whatever' before retiring for the night. Sound familiar?

One country is much like another and 'greatness' is in the mind of the beholder. The U.S. is known for its flag-waving. In all fairness, though, Australia would probably take second place.

 

[Quath]

Sometimes it doesn't matter what's 'acceptable', it just matters "What it IS". Being a Christian wasn't 'acceptable' in the first century, but those in the community of believers held fast to their faith and 2000 years later, here we are.

This sounds like you are saying it is ok to treat other bad because you were treated bad.

It's good that you, Scott, have a goal and an agenda, but I don't see athiests as being oppressed so I don't really understand why you feel that your faith needs liberated from the bonds that have given you the freedom to rebel and resist without dire consequences to begin with. It almost seems to me like the old saying, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"...

I agree that atheists are not treated as badly now as in the past. However, there are still attempts to discriminate against us. Going partway to give equal rights is not good enough. I think you should strive to help all be equal under the law.

 

[Jon-Marc]

This world wants nothing to do with God and seeks to kick Him out of every aspect of their lives. They say to Him, "Leave me alone and let me do it MY way."

I was sitting in the high school cafeteria when a metal cart was pushed through the room, and we were told to put any Bibles we had on the cart. They were confiscated, and this was in America in the 1960's! One teenaged boy complained about a picture of Jesus on a high school wall, and it was taken down. How much longer will God tolerate being pushed out of people's lives?

 

[golfjack]

reply

Not very long I suspect. This is why America is not mentioned in Bible Prophesy. Too many liberal churches.



May God bless, golfjack

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Re: reply

Not very long I suspect. This is why America is not mentioned in Bible Prophesy. Too many liberal churches.

May God bless, golfjack

Golfjack,

I would be interested to know how the word "America" is pronounced in Hebrew and Greek.

It could be that one of the prophets saw it, but it was lost in translation. Any ideas?

 

[carey]

hmmm

I think it should be changed to in Jesus we trust