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Kathi said:
You mean I won??? Are you kidding? :woot2 I have not won anything in my life.Now what do I get?
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So why couldn't Jesus scars be on His new spiritual body? Not to remember sin, but for a memorial of sorts of the expression of the Love and sacrifice that He made for us. There is no reason that we would have to remember the sin for His scars to remain.

And when Jesus was not recognized at the table with the disciples until he broke the bread...what makes you think that they didn't see His scars then and that's what brought the realization and recognition? Think about breaking bread. The movements necessary and the hand positioning...I think you're assuming an awful lot. ;)
 
Gary said:
There's no evidence that Jesus still remains in that body.
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Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
THE same Jesus that was seen by the Disciples With Scars. Yes there is evidence that Jesus still has the Scars of the wonderful offering He made for US all.

If there has ever been an OVER THOUGHT over argued thread it is this one. I apologize for posting it.
 
When we think about what we will be like in heaven, I have to ask:
Will we still be male and female?
For what purpose?
Are our souls controlled by gender?
Will we be old or young?
Fat or thin?
Tall or short?

Do you see my point?

We have no idea what our glorified bodies will be like.
All things are made new.
I believe that what you see in the mirror today is not what you will see in heaven.
Nor will you remember what you once looked like.
 
RevSRE said:
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
THE same Jesus that was seen by the Disciples With Scars. Yes there is evidence that Jesus still has the Scars of the wonderful offering He made for US all.

If there has ever been an OVER THOUGHT over argued thread it is this one. I apologize for posting it.
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Rev over thinking is usual on threads. BTW do you think Jesus will have 7 horns and 7 eyes for all eternity ? ( Sorry Brother couldn't resist :D )
 
Edward said:
So why couldn't Jesus scars be on His new spiritual body? Not to remember sin, but for a memorial of sorts of the expression of the Love and sacrifice that He made for us. There is no reason that we would have to remember the sin for His scars to remain.
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What would be the point? If there's no remembrance of why, the "memorial" would hold no meaning.

And the scars would not be scars, they would actually be open wounds. He would have large holes in His hands and feet. Large enough to run your finger through. He would also have a gaping wound in His side. Again, large enough for someone to fit their hand inside of it. If there was no memory of Why He had them, they would hold no meaning.

The bible specifically states that His visual appearance is unknown. John, who is one of the twelve, is the one who said it. If anyone would know what He looks like, it would be John. But what does he say? "It has not yet been revealed what we shall be". What "we" shall be. He included himself. If John doesn't know, how is it that we do?

Paul, who was also a witness of the resurrected Christ, states that "no one has seen Him or can see him".

Do we just blow these 2 people off as being idiots, not knowing what they're talking about? If we're not going to take them for their word regarding this issue, what makes the rest of their words worth reading?


And when Jesus was not recognized at the table with the disciples until he broke the bread...what makes you think that they didn't see His scars then and that's what brought the realization and recognition? Think about breaking bread. The movements necessary and the hand positioning...I think you're assuming an awful lot. ;)
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The holes in His hands and feet would have been quite large. Why were they not seen by those He walked with on the road to Emmaus ?

Why didn't Mary recognize Him outside the tomb?

Why didn't the disciples recognize Him as stood on the shore of Sea of Tiberias?

Think about it.
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These are good questions, but since we know that we are the dumb ones (lol) we can't really presume too much until we get there. Maybe the disciples should have been able to recognize him, and he was testing them or something, or maybe he closed their eyes so that they couldn't because he wanted to talk to them first or something.

Why would the holes in His hands have to be large? He's God, He could easily heal them up most of the way, leaving just enough trace for His purposes. He could have been funning with them too, he sure ducked out awful quick once they did recognize Him.

No one is blowing off Paul or John brother. There's so many different ways that that could be meant that it'd take some study specifically on that to be able to venture a guess. It could even be that in His total spiritual body that no one has ever seen, but that he appears in different form to men because the fullness is not in yet? It's not over yet. Things still have to happen. What I do know is that having watched a lot of video testimonies, many people have given witness to having met Christ in some form, and they knew who it was. A lot or most of them say He has the markers. Some of these are children saying this. We know that there is a lot of deception and fraud in the world but I have a hard time concluding that they all lie about it. I haven't seen it, but that doesn't mean that it's absolutely untrue. I tend to lean towards that it probably is true.

There's a lot of details that we don't know. knowing this, we should probably be hesitant in making absolute assumptions. Like, there is no point in Him continuing to bear the scars. I myself do not know the point for sure. I could surmise different possibilities, any of which could be true. Maybe the scars would be sentimental to Jesus, or the Father? He died for His bride and His people. He deserves honor and Glory for what He has done. Not just now, but all down through the ages of eternity. There is a lot of beings in Heaven, and more on the way. We will have new perfect bodies. One who walks with scars in Heaven, will be pretty readily noticeable, don't you think? ...There He is...the one who jumped on the grenade so that I could live...? Maybe.

I think that a lot of this stuff that we don't know...we should, or could. All throughout the scriptures the disciples get admonished for different things, that they should have picked up on, or been able to do, stuff like that, and they are told, hey, where's your faith? nine times out of ten, the failure came through the individual leaning upon their own understanding, and in doing so, they blocked Gods power in the situation. We got to get away from that ourselves. The first thing I suppose is to keep in mind that we do know very little about spirituality, and our mind wont help us to "get it". We don't have to understand to be able to trust God. When we can let go of that and simply trust, I think we release God and His power within us to be able to...do whatever. Anything is possible, we just haven't seen it, we're babes without a clue. The worst thing we could is to be arrogant and say it IS this, or CANT be that. We don't know!

First is the faith, then He will give to us understanding and revelation. In that light, we have no reason to believe that Jesus does not visit people, or that he does not bear the scars.

Have a blessed day in the Lord brother.
 
Edward said:
These are good questions, but since we know that we are the dumb ones (lol) we can't really presume too much until we get there. Maybe the disciples should have been able to recognize him, and he was testing them or something, or maybe he closed their eyes so that they couldn't because he wanted to talk to them first or something.

Why would the holes in His hands have to be large? He's God, He could easily heal them up most of the way, leaving just enough trace for His purposes. He could have been funning with them too, he sure ducked out awful quick once they did recognize Him.

No one is blowing off Paul or John brother. There's so many different ways that that could be meant that it'd take some study specifically on that to be able to venture a guess. It could even be that in His total spiritual body that no one has ever seen, but that he appears in different form to men because the fullness is not in yet? It's not over yet. Things still have to happen. What I do know is that having watched a lot of video testimonies, many people have given witness to having met Christ in some form, and they knew who it was. A lot or most of them say He has the markers. Some of these are children saying this. We know that there is a lot of deception and fraud in the world but I have a hard time concluding that they all lie about it. I haven't seen it, but that doesn't mean that it's absolutely untrue. I tend to lean towards that it probably is true.

There's a lot of details that we don't know. knowing this, we should probably be hesitant in making absolute assumptions. Like, there is no point in Him continuing to bear the scars. I myself do not know the point for sure. I could surmise different possibilities, any of which could be true. Maybe the scars would be sentimental to Jesus, or the Father? He died for His bride and His people. He deserves honor and Glory for what He has done. Not just now, but all down through the ages of eternity. There is a lot of beings in Heaven, and more on the way. We will have new perfect bodies. One who walks with scars in Heaven, will be pretty readily noticeable, don't you think? ...There He is...the one who jumped on the grenade so that I could live...? Maybe.

I think that a lot of this stuff that we don't know...we should, or could. All throughout the scriptures the disciples get admonished for different things, that they should have picked up on, or been able to do, stuff like that, and they are told, hey, where's your faith? nine times out of ten, the failure came through the individual leaning upon their own understanding, and in doing so, they blocked Gods power in the situation. We got to get away from that ourselves. The first thing I suppose is to keep in mind that we do know very little about spirituality, and our mind wont help us to "get it". We don't have to understand to be able to trust God. When we can let go of that and simply trust, I think we release God and His power within us to be able to...do whatever. Anything is possible, we just haven't seen it, we're babes without a clue. The worst thing we could is to be arrogant and say it IS this, or CANT be that. We don't know!

First is the faith, then He will give to us understanding and revelation. In that light, we have no reason to believe that Jesus does not visit people, or that he does not bear the scars.

Have a blessed day in the Lord brother.
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That is what I thought Edward, they do not have to be gapping holes because He is God.Yes,their are so many things that we do not know on this Earth about heaven and Jesus.Many speculate and I guess that is ok with our humanly curiosity.God knows us.He knows we love Him and that we want to know more about Him.Yes,there will be alot of surprises in heaven and I am thinking that they will really be awesome.It will be beyond our wildest dreams.
 
Edward said:
Anything is possible, we just haven't seen it, we're babes without a clue. The worst thing we could is to be arrogant and say it IS this, or CANT be that. We don't know!
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What you said there is absolutely true.

One thing did catch my eye. The word "we". That's a blanket statement meaning "all". To say that "we" all lack knowledge and understanding in the ways of the Lord is a false assumption. And far be it from me to boast, but "we're" not all babies on this road to redemption.

Be safe Edward.
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