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Incest in the bible

Grazer

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Just wondering what peoples take is on this. It seems up until Moses, sleeping with family members was allowed and actively done. Abraham slept with his sister Sarah, some take Cains wife to be his sister.

Did God allow incestral relationships before but changed his mind? Or is there more here?

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Genisis 19 :30-36

Now Lot went up out of Zoar and lived in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to live in Zoar. So he lived in a cave with his two daughters. And the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.” So they made their father drink wine that night. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father. He did not know when she lay down or when she arose. The next day, the firstborn said to the younger, “Behold, I lay last night with my father. Let us make him drink wine tonight also. Then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.” ...



Leviticus 18 : 6


“None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord."


Because Lot was a righteous man, I agree with what some religious scholars say in that He suspended His law against incest, early after creation to allow us (mankind) to spread. Once there were enough people to populate the world He issued His decree as in Leviticus 18:6
Since Leviticus there is no excuse for the abhorrence which is incest.


I'm interested on what others think on this
 
The explanation I always heard was that incest wasn't a problem until it began causing genetic problems. That the DNA got corrupted over time and then incest became a problem.
I wish I could word that more intelligently. lol
 
I thought you worded it quite succinctly Questdriven.
And that's an interesting idea too.
 
Incest is not allowed within God. Look what happenend to Lot? Lot slept with his daughters therefore was chatitised by God to go around telling his towns people to rape his daughters. Just the way it is, incest is not allowed. In case to Abraham, he didn't SLEEP with his sister, that wasn't his sister, that was a woman from another continent. Where did you get that info to begin with?
 
Lot slept with his daughters therefore was chatitised by God to go around telling his towns people to rape his daughters.
Daughters got him drunk to unconciousness Where did God tell him to tell people to "rape" his daughters...cant find it.
 
Daughters got him drunk to unconciousness Where did God tell him to tell people to "rape" his daughters...cant find it.


If you refer to the scholars and the stories of what happenend to Lot, and also get a third perspective from another perspective, then you would clearly see that God the Father in communion with Lot told him to go tell his towns people to rape his daughters as well as telling Prophet Isiah to walk around his town jeareuselum naked for 3 years and tell King David to dance around naked in front of his wives and children (which he did) and ultimately tell people of Moses to eat the babies amongst his own people. (That is one of the reasons why they left Moses)

As far as scriptures within the Bible, it is not evident. It's just a story from a third perspective (scholars to scholars) which makes sense to me in God being all "fairness" to humanity, even his apostles.
 
It's just a story from a third perspective (scholars to scholars)
While I respect your right to your opinion, to say God made Lot tell people to commit a heinous crime against his daughters on the basis of hearsay from "supposedly learned" people, doesn't hold much water with nothing to backup the claim.
While I gave just my opinion on the topic, it was formed by my own understanding of Gods Word without embellishing it with third party conjecture. Having said that I still agree with your statement that it's a big No to incest.
God bless
 
If you refer to the scholars and the stories of what happenend to Lot, and also get a third perspective from another perspective, then you would clearly see that God the Father in communion with Lot told him to go tell his towns people to rape his daughters as well as telling Prophet Isiah to walk around his town jeareuselum naked for 3 years and tell King David to dance around naked in front of his wives and children (which he did) and ultimately tell people of Moses to eat the babies amongst his own people. (That is one of the reasons why they left Moses)

As far as scriptures within the Bible, it is not evident. It's just a story from a third perspective (scholars to scholars) which makes sense to me in God being all "fairness" to humanity, even his apostles.

Being this is an apologetic forum, perhaps it would be prudent to back up what you say with scripture. Opinions come and go with with the weather.
 
Daughters got him drunk to unconciousness Where did God tell him to tell people to "rape" his daughters...cant find it.
Gen 19:35-38 KJV

35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37 And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.
 
Hi BornAgain, I know that part i was asking theTruth101 about his statement that God instructed Lot to roam the city telling people to rape his daughters.
Never heard that one before.
Our all loving God instructing a father to offer his daughters for the heinous of crimes? nope I can't see it.

the verses Bornagain quoted back up my interpretation of the scenario in that Lot's daughters got him drunk to the point of unconciousness if one is not concious one cannot be held accountable for sin. That's why Lot is described as a righteous (although sometimes drunken) man.
Also if God commanded that man should not prostitute his daughter, why would He command Lot to do just that?
Definitely holes in the scholars points of view if you ask me
 
Hi BornAgain, I know that part i was asking theTruth101 about his statement that God instructed Lot to roam the city telling people to rape his daughters.
Never heard that one before.
Our all loving God instructing a father to offer his daughters for the heinous of crimes? nope I can't see it.

the verses Bornagain quoted back up my interpretation of the scenario in that Lot's daughters got him drunk to the point of unconciousness if one is not concious one cannot be held accountable for sin. That's why Lot is described as a righteous (although sometimes drunken) man.
Also if God commanded that man should not prostitute his daughter, why would He command Lot to do just that?
Definitely holes in the scholars points of view if you ask me

Hi Paul1965,

Did God command this to happen? I ran across this commentary from and maybe this will give some insight...I am learning this, too.

And he perceived not when she lay down, nor when, etc.—That is, he did not perceive the time she came to his bed, nor the time she quitted it; consequently did not know who it was that had lain with him.

In this transaction Lot appears to me to be in many respects excusable.

1. He had no accurate knowledge of what took place either on the first or second night, therefore he cannot be supposed to have been drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. That he must have been sensible that some person had been in his bed, it would be ridiculous to deny; but he might have judged it to have been some of his female domestics, which it is reasonable to suppose he might have brought from Zoar.

2. It is very likely that he was deceived in the wine, as well as in the consequences; either he knew not the strength of the wine, or wine of a superior power had been given to him on this occasion. As he had in general followed the simple pastoral life, it is not to be wondered at if he did not know the intoxicating power of wine, and being an old man, and unused to it, a small portion would be sufficient to overcome him; sound sleep would soon, at his time of life, be the effect of taking the liquor to which he was unaccustomed, and cause him to forget the effects of his intoxication.

Except in this case, his moral conduct stands unblemished in the sacred writings; and as the whole transaction, especially as it relates to him, is capable of an interpretation not wholly injurious to his piety, both reason and religion conjoin to recommend that explanation. As to his daughters, let their ignorance of the real state of the case plead for them, as far as that can go; and let it be remembered that their sin was of that very peculiar nature as never to be capable of becoming a precedent. For it is scarcely possible that any should ever be able to plead similar circumstances in vindication of a similar line of conduct.
—Adam Clarke's Commentary
 
The explanation I always heard was that incest wasn't a problem until it began causing genetic problems. That the DNA got corrupted over time and then incest became a problem.
I wish I could word that more intelligently. lol
It was the only way of course to populate the world at one time, however, it did not need to wait for the DNA/Genetic issues, it was condemned in the bible, Paul here in my opinion is in one of his most agitated states as I have seen him in his writings:

1 Corinthians 5:1-6 (KJV)
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
 
Here is the reason God made the law to not marry close relatives in Lev. chapters 18 and 19. Each person has two sets of genes. One pair from the mother and another pair from the father equaling about 130,000 pairs that make up our chemistry. Genes today have many mistakes because of sin and the curse of sin as Adam and Eve were created perfect until sin was found in them that caused their genes to be become imperfect, but only in a very small way at first, which God allowed their sons and daughters marry in order to replenish the earth. This is how Cain knew his wife when he went to Nod and then had Enoch. From generation to generation that married each other up until the time of Moses the mistakes increased in the genes of both man and women which started to cause deformities in the body and it was then that God had to put a stop to close family members intermarrying each other. We still see many today marry a cousin, but not a close one, but usually a fifth or six as the genes are not so much affected to that of causing one to be deformed at birth because they are not a close relative such as brother, sister, Aunt or Uncle.
 
Genisis 19 :30-36
Now Lot went up out of Zoar and lived in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to live in Zoar. So he lived in a cave with his two daughters. And the firstborn said to the younger;Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father. So they made their father drink wine that night. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father. He did not know when she lay down or when she arose. The next day, the firstborn said to the younger, “Behold, I lay last night with my father. Let us make him drink wine tonight also. Then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.

Not everything in the bible is a display of righteousness and holiness.
Sometimes the behaviour shown by the protagonists of the bible is only shown in a descriptive story-telling way, but not judged or commented on. It's not in the book because God thinks rape, incest or sexual abuse is such a great idea, or even just accepts it; it's in the book just because it happened and because God wants us to know about the miserable state of those women's hearts (maybe so we can practice using our own sound judgement; or maybe just so we know that God will still write His story with us, no matter how patheitc we are).
Sorry for the weird wording.
Trying it again: Not all protagonists of the Bible act according to God's will. In some cases the Bible clearly states that those people are misbehaving, in some cases it does not and we have to figure it ourselves.
 
Thank's to everyone for trying to help me clear that one up. I'm still a bit confused by theTruth101's posts.
I think sometimes, scholars, by wanting to show their world their intellect, take things way out of context to support their ego.

The fact remains that it was the 2 daughters who sinned willingly and with awareness. Not Lot. Which is what I've tried to put into words each post....I''ve failed dismally :(
The main reason I was confused was tT101's statement that God ordered Lot to prostitute his daughters as punishment,by
chatitised by God to go around telling his towns people to rape his daughters.
As it turns out this is just conjecture by scholars who maybe watch or read too many Harlequin novels.:silly

Again thanks everyone
God Bless you all
 
Thank's to everyone for trying to help me clear that one up. I'm still a bit confused by theTruth101's posts.
I think sometimes, scholars, by wanting to show their world their intellect, take things way out of context to support their ego.

The fact remains that it was the 2 daughters who sinned willingly and with awareness. Not Lot. Which is what I've tried to put into words each post....I''ve failed dismally :(
The main reason I was confused was tT101's statement that God ordered Lot to prostitute his daughters as punishment,by
As it turns out this is just conjecture by scholars who maybe watch or read too many Harlequin novels.:silly

Again thanks everyone
God Bless you all

Paul1965,

I think post 12 & 13 explain your questions and rely on members that can provide scripture and not give "their opinion." :)
 
Here is the reason God made the law to not marry close relatives in Lev. chapters 18 and 19. Each person has two sets of genes. One pair from the mother and another pair from the father equaling about 130,000 pairs that make up our chemistry. Genes today have many mistakes because of sin and the curse of sin as Adam and Eve were created perfect until sin was found in them that caused their genes to be become imperfect, but only in a very small way at first, which God allowed their sons and daughters marry in order to replenish the earth. This is how Cain knew his wife when he went to Nod and then had Enoch. From generation to generation that married each other up until the time of Moses the mistakes increased in the genes of both man and women which started to cause deformities in the body and it was then that God had to put a stop to close family members intermarrying each other. We still see many today marry a cousin, but not a close one, but usually a fifth or six as the genes are not so much affected to that of causing one to be deformed at birth because they are not a close relative such as brother, sister, Aunt or Uncle.

That is a pretty scientific response unsupported by scripture...
 
Refer to Genesis 19:8, "Look, I have two daughters who never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."


It's clearly stated here he offered his two daughters which he had commited incest with to his towns people. Truth of it is, God was in communion with Lot, meaning he was talking to Lot just like Jesus Christ was talking with God, just like Abraham and Moses were talking with God. Pretty much, to me atleast, he commited incest with his daughters, drunk or not, I mean do we nowadays let murderes get away because they were drunk? c'mon, its common sense in my eyes that God chatitised him for commiting incest with his daughters, and his daughters too were chatitised by God being offered up by their own father in protection of men he barely knows.

As far as opinion goes, an opinion HAS to follow scriptures hand in hand, its inevitable. because bible is made in a divine design, one can interpret a verse totally different from another. It's called paraphrasing. You think ministers or pastors go scripture to scripture? lol, most of their sermons are indeed paraphrasing of the scriptures, how they percieve it according to their opinion. Think about it.
 
Refer to Genesis 19:8, "Look, I have two daughters who never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."


It's clearly stated here he offered his two daughters which he had commited incest with to his towns people. Truth of it is, God was in communion with Lot, meaning he was talking to Lot just like Jesus Christ was talking with God, just like Abraham and Moses were talking with God. Pretty much, to me atleast, he commited incest with his daughters, drunk or not, I mean do we nowadays let murderes get away because they were drunk? c'mon, its common sense in my eyes that God chatitised him for commiting incest with his daughters, and his daughters too were chatitised by God being offered up by their own father in protection of men he barely knows.

As far as opinion goes, an opinion HAS to follow scriptures hand in hand, its inevitable. because bible is made in a divine design, one can interpret a verse totally different from another. It's called paraphrasing. You think ministers or pastors go scripture to scripture? lol, most of their sermons are indeed paraphrasing of the scriptures, how they percieve it according to their opinion. Think about it.

Genesis 19:8 (KJV)
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Lot's conduct on this occasion can be at all excused: but even then, it was not only the language of anxious solicitude, but of unwarrantable haste.

Opinion:

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.

4. Law, the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.

5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.

I rely on scripture and the Bible...not opinions as stated above.
 
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