Incest in the bible

[Thetruth101]

Funny thing is, the scriptires that you see in front of you is inaccordance to guess what, your perception of what a prior scripture is. So it infact goes hand in hand.
If you mean, that you only READ the Bible without questioning it, then that's fine. If you were to read it how its spelt out. However, one cannot gain any wisdom if one cannot question. God spoke of not questioning God, any other scriptures that are written from man infact needs a recognition, and recognition infact does derive from questioning.

How can his actions be excused? He commited incest with his daughters. Are yo usaying incestism is excusable? If so, I have no case in this argument.

As you have clearly demonstarted by adding your comment as to the scripture calling it a excusable act of concern for another man, it is pretty much funny and weird to me, that he would hold more concern for men he barely know of over his own blood, family.

As expressed above in adding your opinion as to the scripture, goes back to what I'm saying, scriptures themselves are just matter of personal perspective of the scripture. Like how I see it as chastisim, you see it as self thought and act of concern of others.

;)

 

[BornAgain]

As far as opinion goes, an opinion HAS to follow scriptures hand in hand, its inevitable. because bible is made in a divine design, one can interpret a verse totally different from another. It's called paraphrasing. You think ministers or pastors go scripture to scripture? lol, most of their sermons are indeed paraphrasing of the scriptures, how they percieve it according to their opinion. Think about it.[/QUOTE]



If I attended a worship service where a preacher was paraphrasing and not providing scripture to back up what he is saying, there should be elders there to correct it to be true or else I would not return to that building.

 

[Paul1965]

I rely on scripture and the Bible...not opinions as stated above.

What BornAgain said. +1
As for paraphrasing and "how they perceive it according to their opinion" that is why there is so much animosity between "Brands" of Christianity.
I read 12 and 13 again and it's clearer now Thanks

 

[wayseer]

Just as a matter of interest - why is this topic posted in the Apologetics thread? Or, to put it another way - what has incest to do with Apologetics?

 

[BornAgain]

Funny thing is, the scriptires that you see in front of you is inaccordance to guess what, your perception of what a prior scripture is. So it infact goes hand in hand.
If you mean, that you only READ the Bible without questioning it, then that's fine. If you were to read it how its spelt out. However, one cannot gain any wisdom if one cannot question. God spoke of not questioning God, any other scriptures that are written from man infact needs a recognition, and recognition infact does derive from questioning.

There is question at times, things I do not understand, but there is a word called faith:

Being justified by faith. Romans 5

Without faith it is impossible to please God. Heb. 11.

For we walk by faith, and not by sight. 2Cor. 5.

With the heart man believeth to righteousness. Rom. 10.

The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the mind, which is called trust or confidence, exercised towards the moral character of God, and particularly of the Savior.

Faith is a firm, cordial belief in the veracity of God, in all the declarations of his word; or a full and affectionate confidence in the certainty of those things which God has declared, and because he has declared them.

The object of belief; a doctrine or system of doctrines believed; a system of revealed truths received by christians.

They heard only, that he who persecuted us in times past, now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Gal. 1.

The promises of God, or his truth and faithfulness.

An open profession of gospel truth.

 

[BornAgain]

Just as a matter of interest - why is this topic posted in the Apologetics thread? Or, to put it another way - what has incest to do with Apologetics?

I can't answer that, but if the moderators feel it should be moved to another forum that will be their call.

 

[BornAgain]

Funny thing is, the scriptires that you see in front of you is inaccordance to guess what, your perception of what a prior scripture is. So it infact goes hand in hand.
If you mean, that you only READ the Bible without questioning it, then that's fine. If you were to read it how its spelt out. However, one cannot gain any wisdom if one cannot question. God spoke of not questioning God, any other scriptures that are written from man infact needs a recognition, and recognition infact does derive from questioning.

How can his actions be excused? He commited incest with his daughters. Are yo usaying incestism is excusable? If so, I have no case in this argument.

As you have clearly demonstarted by adding your comment as to the scripture calling it a excusable act of concern for another man, it is pretty much funny and weird to me, that he would hold more concern for men he barely know of over his own blood, family.

As expressed above in adding your opinion as to the scripture, goes back to what I'm saying, scriptures themselves are just matter of personal perspective of the scripture. Like how I see it as chastisim, you see it as self thought and act of concern of others.

;)

Please read post #13...

 

[wayseer]

I can't answer that, but if the moderators feel it should be moved to another forum that will be their call.

I was hoping the OP might chime in with an explanation because there is a theological hurdle many of not aware of concerning the genealogy of Jesus - a genealogy that arose out of incest. Read Ruth and note what happen to Tamar.

 

[Thetruth101]

Faith is not what you think. As stated above, it is also an interpretations of what you think is Faith.

I tend to disagree in terms of Faith. Faith is not simply a disregard for what is logic. Faith is what yo uconsider giving yourself up knowing that you are right. If one needs to question, and disregard the question because he/she does not know, and paraphrase it as faith, then one can also assume within this state of faith, it is simply upto his or her own terms to believe in the faith. Meaning if one is left without a single doubt as to what God is, AND then belive in it, what greater faith in it is that? One without a doubt belives in its theory, understands it, and still decides upon oneself to be involved with it. If you refer to having faith as believing in it, however do not understand or know of it, and call it a greater faith, what is the difference between oneself and another one that is interested within the religion that you think you know of? What I'm trying to say is, Christ taught us to be Christ like, though he searched for the truth, and challeged the ones that were before him. If one forgets to ask questions, then one forgets to compete, and if one forgets to compete, then the faith of another who is competitive and asks questions in relations to the scripture finds the greater truth, thus establishing himself as a greater truth, meaning clearity of faith, and eventually a better faith.

 

[BornAgain]

Faith is not what you think. As stated above, it is also an interpretations of what you think is Faith.

I tend to disagree in terms of Faith. Faith is not simply a disregard for what is logic. Faith is what yo uconsider giving yourself up knowing that you are right. If one needs to question, and disregard the question because he/she does not know, and paraphrase it as faith, then one can also assume within this state of faith, it is simply upto his or her own terms to believe in the faith. Meaning if one is left without a single doubt as to what God is, AND then belive in it, what greater faith in it is that? One without a doubt belives in its theory, understands it, and still decides upon oneself to be involved with it. If you refer to having faith as believing in it, however do not understand or know of it, and call it a greater faith, what is the difference between oneself and another one that is interested within the religion that you think you know of? What I'm trying to say is, Christ taught us to be Christ like, though he searched for the truth, and challeged the ones that were before him. If one forgets to ask questions, then one forgets to compete, and if one forgets to compete, then the faith of another who is competitive and asks questions in relations to the scripture finds the greater truth, thus establishing himself as a greater truth, meaning clearity of faith, and eventually a better faith.

This has gone off topic and I am not going to go any further here with this discussion. If you would like to create a thread in the debate forum, maybe we can discuss further.

 

[Grazer]

The issue of incest in the Bible is a theological discussion to me, hence why I put it in the Apologetics and Theology section.

 

[wayseer]

The issue of incest in the Bible is a theological discussion to me, hence why I put it in the Apologetics and Theology section.

In what way is incest theological?

 

[for_his_glory]

That is a pretty scientific response unsupported by scripture...

It is what it is and doesn't always need scripture for back it up as the Bible doesn't explain that of the chemistry of genes, but only that of a genealogy.

 

[BornAgain]

It is what it is and doesn't always need scripture for back it up as the Bible doesn't explain that of the chemistry of genes, but only that of a genealogy.

That is good you have it all figured out, without the help of the Bible.

 

[for_his_glory]

That is good you have it all figured out, without the help of the Bible.

One can figure out things when guided by the Holy Spirit to dig deeper into those issues not particularly mention within scripture, but to understand why God chooses to do the things he has already done. Does the Bible explain the chemistry of the body as in genes, chromosomes, reproductive system etc. etc., no, as it can only give us the genealogy of Biblical lineage. What I posted was something that God decided to end as man calls it incest, but God seeing the increase of deformities within sibling marrying sibling he had to make an end to it by forbidding anyone to continue in so doing.

 

[BornAgain]

One can figure out things when guided by the Holy Spirit to dig deeper into those issues not particularly mention within scripture, but to understand why God chooses to do the things he has already done. Does the Bible explain the chemistry of the body as in genes, chromosomes, reproductive system etc. etc., no, as it can only give us the genealogy of Biblical lineage. What I posted was something that God decided to end as man calls it incest, but God seeing the increase of deformities within sibling marrying sibling he had to make an end to it by forbidding anyone to continue in so doing.

Again, non-scriptural, based on opinion and based on figuring things out. It sounds scientific and not backed up by scripture.

You started a great thread and has given me great insight into the lineage of the blood line that God started in order to prepare for the Messiah.

But, we should be responsible to provide information to back up our own hypothesis. There are a lot of members and guests who watch these forums and should have proof the things we state are true and not based on our opinions or ideologies.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Lot slept with his daughters therefore was chatitised by God to go around telling his towns people to rape his daughters.

This is terribly incorrect. Lot had 2 angels sent by The Lord Thy God as houseguests. The mob outside of Lot's house wanted to rape what they thought were two men. Little did they know, they were instead two angels that were sent by God to destroy these wicked people. Lot is considered "righteous" in the New Testament because he was demonstrating that he was willing to do anything to help God, even though throwing his virgin daughters to a sick deleted mob wasn't necessary. Just like it wasn't necessary for Abraham to kill his son. God was just testing him. Abraham's son was never killed, nor were Lot's daughters ever ravaged by that mob. Ironically, it was Lot's daughters that did the raping. It might have been more like a date-rape, but that is still rape. But, the sexual intercourse between Lot and his daughters clearly happened after the "daughters-offered-to-the-mob" incident.

 

[Thetruth101]

As far as scriptures being stated as a given fact, and the paraphrasing of the scriptures being given as infact a false notion is purely in the minds of a the viwer themselves. One cannot judge on what the likes and tastes of another is if one infact is using a form of opinions on oneself. Being noted, that the paraphrasing of a biblical insight is also in form of scripture as to finding what and who and the meaning of the biggest opponent of God is per say, in Revelations 13:18 John who baptised Christ himself writes " Wisdom is needed here, let those with insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number of a man. That number is 666."
It it is inevitable that one has to question the scriptures in order to gain more knowledge of wisdom within the scriptures.:yes

 

[for_his_glory]

Again, non-scriptural, based on opinion and based on figuring things out. It sounds scientific and not backed up by scripture.

You started a great thread and has given me great insight into the lineage of the blood line that God started in order to prepare for the Messiah.

But, we should be responsible to provide information to back up our own hypothesis. There are a lot of members and guests who watch these forums and should have proof the things we state are true and not based on our opinions or ideologies.

First I did not start this thread, but only replying to the OP. I'm not going to be dragged into an argument of science vs scripture. As I stated, scripture does not explain that of a reproductive system, but does give us God's law against incest in Leviticus Chapter 18 and what I provided was why God had to make a law against family members laying with each other. I'm sorry you did not understand that and I hope this clears it up.