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Bible Study Incompatibility

netchaplain

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God called “the Jew first” to Christianity but most (also most of the Gentile world) chose instead to reject it (Acts 13:46). Judaism had its proper place, people and purpose but since the time of Christ, it is unbelief to remain in it, for it does not “honor the Son just as honoring the Father.” And, “He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him” (John 5:23); and it puts one at a disadvantage to attempt to mix (Judeo-Christian) a system which has been “taken away” (Heb 10:9), with a system that is presently established—namely Christianity.

I believe once it is learned that the responsibility of retaining salvation lies within the same source of the One effecting it, there will be a clearer understanding concerning the prior and present dispensations and their purposes.
NC


Incompatibility

To the Church today, which would seem to be a corruption of Judaism and Christianity (1Cor 5:6; Gal 5:9 - NC), the question must be asked, and answered: What is Christianity?

In the first place, Judaism was a religion, a systematic trial of man; as Moses said, at the time of the giving of the Law, “God has come to prove you” (Exo 20:20). Christianity affirms this trial over, the sentence of the law given—“none righteous, no, not one”; the Cross, the judgment of the world more full still; “the carnal mind” as enmity against God. Christianity thus begins in the soul as a true repentance, an acceptance of God’s righteous judgment against us, the end of all hope of betterment for us, except in a new life and nature from God: we must be “born again.”

The characteristic of Judaism was an unrent veil: man at a distance from God, who dwelt in the thick darkness unapproachable, unknown. Christianity declares the veil rent in love and righteousness—rent by the Cross of Christ, and a way of access thus to God, revealed in the Lord Jesus. “By a new and living way, which He has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh” (Heb 10:20).

Judaism, with its many constantly repeated offerings could not make the conscience perfect (Heb 9:9). The law was efficacious to condemn, but not to justify; and its forgiveness, needing again and again to be renewed, spoke only of the “forbearance of God” (Rom 2:4; 3:25), gave no place of assured rest (Mat 11:28 –NC) and acceptance (Eph 1:6 -NC) with Him. “Who, for fear of death, were all their lifetime subject to bondage” (Heb 2:15). In Christ, by one offering are “perfected forever those who are sanctified” (Heb 10:14); the worshiper once purged has no more conscience of sin (Heb 10:2); and “the righteousness of God justifies the ungodly, who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ” (Rom 4:5).

Judaism left, therefore, the people of God confounded with the world—necessarily, as giving no full assurance to any. No cry of “Abba, Father,” therefore, was known—no spirit of son-ship (which I believe answers to why Israel was always said to be the people of God and the children of Israel, but not the children of God - NC). Christianity separates its justified ones from the world, to which they no more belong and have been crucified to—and separates them to God (1Pet 3:15 – NC), to whom they belong and in whom they are. “For your life is hid with Christ in God” (Col 3:3).

Judaism, for worldly men, has a “worldly sanctuary” (Heb 9:1) and “carnal ordinances” (Heb 9:10)—things suited to act upon men in nature, in the flesh (the old man—NC). The worship of Christianity is heavenly, spiritual, in the intelligence of faith, and needing it; the worship of those brought nigh.

Judaism had its separate order of priests, who alone had to do with sacred things. Priest and people were distinct from one another; and while none could really “draw nigh” (possible only in Christ—NC) the former had an outward, official nearness which the latter had not. In Christianity, people and priests are one and the same (Rev 1:6; 5:10); there is real, not merely relative nearness to God (Jam 4:8).

In Judaism there was God’s house, but of necessity the house and the people were quite separate; in Christianity they are identified as the same; and this is the first way in which the Church was announced, i.e., as a building: “Upon this rock (faith-NC) I will build My Church.” Peter described it as a “building of living stones”—a spiritual house (1Pet 2:5), and Paul as the “temple of God” in which the Spirit of God dwells (1Cor 3:16).

- W F Grant


Spiritual Growth Devotional by MJS: http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
 
God called “the Jew first” to Christianity but most (also most of the Gentile world) chose instead to reject it (Acts 13:46). Judaism had its proper place, people and purpose but since the time of Christ, it is unbelief to remain in it, for it does not “honor the Son just as honoring the Father.” And, “He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him” (John 5:23); and it puts one at a disadvantage to attempt to mix (Judeo-Christian) a system which has been “taken away” (Heb 10:9), with a system that is presently established—namely Christianity.

I believe once it is learned that the responsibility of retaining salvation lies within the same source of the One effecting it, there will be a clearer understanding concerning the prior and present dispensations and their purposes.
NC


Incompatibility

To the Church today, which would seem to be a corruption of Judaism and Christianity (1Cor 5:6; Gal 5:9 - NC), the question must be asked, and answered: What is Christianity?

In the first place, Judaism was a religion, a systematic trial of man; as Moses said, at the time of the giving of the Law, “God has come to prove you” (Exo 20:20). Christianity affirms this trial over, the sentence of the law given—“none righteous, no, not one”; the Cross, the judgment of the world more full still; “the carnal mind” as enmity against God. Christianity thus begins in the soul as a true repentance, an acceptance of God’s righteous judgment against us, the end of all hope of betterment for us, except in a new life and nature from God: we must be “born again.”

The characteristic of Judaism was an unrent veil: man at a distance from God, who dwelt in the thick darkness unapproachable, unknown. Christianity declares the veil rent in love and righteousness—rent by the Cross of Christ, and a way of access thus to God, revealed in the Lord Jesus. “By a new and living way, which He has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh” (Heb 10:20).

Judaism, with its many constantly repeated offerings could not make the conscience perfect (Heb 9:9). The law was efficacious to condemn, but not to justify; and its forgiveness, needing again and again to be renewed, spoke only of the “forbearance of God” (Rom 2:4; 3:25), gave no place of assured rest (Mat 11:28 –NC) and acceptance (Eph 1:6 -NC) with Him. “Who, for fear of death, were all their lifetime subject to bondage” (Heb 2:15). In Christ, by one offering are “perfected forever those who are sanctified” (Heb 10:14); the worshiper once purged has no more conscience of sin (Heb 10:2); and “the righteousness of God justifies the ungodly, who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ” (Rom 4:5).

Judaism left, therefore, the people of God confounded with the world—necessarily, as giving no full assurance to any. No cry of “Abba, Father,” therefore, was known—no spirit of son-ship (which I believe answers to why Israel was always said to be the people of God and the children of Israel, but not the children of God - NC). Christianity separates its justified ones from the world, to which they no more belong and have been crucified to—and separates them to God (1Pet 3:15 – NC), to whom they belong and in whom they are. “For your life is hid with Christ in God” (Col 3:3).

Judaism, for worldly men, has a “worldly sanctuary” (Heb 9:1) and “carnal ordinances” (Heb 9:10)—things suited to act upon men in nature, in the flesh (the old man—NC). The worship of Christianity is heavenly, spiritual, in the intelligence of faith, and needing it; the worship of those brought nigh.

Judaism had its separate order of priests, who alone had to do with sacred things. Priest and people were distinct from one another; and while none could really “draw nigh” (possible only in Christ—NC) the former had an outward, official nearness which the latter had not. In Christianity, people and priests are one and the same (Rev 1:6; 5:10); there is real, not merely relative nearness to God (Jam 4:8).

In Judaism there was God’s house, but of necessity the house and the people were quite separate; in Christianity they are identified as the same; and this is the first way in which the Church was announced, i.e., as a building: “Upon this rock (faith-NC) I will build My Church.” Peter described it as a “building of living stones”—a spiritual house (1Pet 2:5), and Paul as the “temple of God” in which the Spirit of God dwells (1Cor 3:16).

- W F Grant


Spiritual Growth Devotional by MJS: http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
Never read that before but it is good, isn't it?
 
Never read that before but it is good, isn't it?
Hi brother! I believe soon there might be a lot of believers understanding more about the issue of these two systems, which will begin a newer level of learning in many Biblical doctrines they already know.
 
Hi brother! I believe soon there might be a lot of believers understanding more about the issue of these two systems, which will begin a newer level of learning in many Biblical doctrines they already know.
I pray it is so. I pray a good bit for them to cease squinting their Spiritual Eyes. It gives me a heavy heart when people do that. And articles like this one and some of my explanations are considered to long to read... really? They will never be able to give the LORD 15 minutes out of their day.
 
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Why would any Christian want to rehang that veil that was torn down from top to bottom denying that of the promises made on the cross that through Christ being our mediator before the Father who established a better covenant of promise.
 
Why would any Christian want to rehang that veil
Many of those within contemporary Christendom (the last half century or so) have not been properly taught concerning the relations of Law, works and Grace, but I believe they will soon be coming around to par.
 
Net Chaplain,
I have a study on this subject, I asked the question "Christians Who are we?" I tried to answer it. There is a lot I do not know and if you show me a better answer I will learn, (and use it). However this IS NOT A 5 line 5 minute QUESTION. There is a lot here. I have studied and taught Bible 50 + years, that does not make me right it only means I have looked at this for a while.

I would love to have your comments and Ideas (ok, it is 51 pages so SOME IDEAS as you may have time) if you will. When I write and someone reads it and gives me other ideas I LEARN. Some of this is different from traditional teachings but I feel it is what the Bible says, we were taught wrong on many points.

In the OT God said about 79 times "Hear My voice and Keep My think Commandments and I will be you God and you will be My people."
Jesus came teaching " Change the way you think (repent) and come near for the Royal authority of God (Kingdom of heaven - read the lesson this verse is interesting.
Matthew spoke in Jewish terms to a Jewish audience and he made a play on what they knew to teach them more. The word translated kingdom means the royal power of the king, in this description of Kingdom we have God’s Authority to rule with Jesus for eternity, given to the Church, gentiles grafted into the spiritual Israel after the nation rejected God.

A word for word translation of this verse is: Mt4:17
"Change your mind and draw near for “the royal power of God”. Note in this verse the “draw near” is in reference to the one changing their mind not the “kingdom or power”. There is no grammatical reason the move the “draw near” to the kingdom of Heaven. Change your mind is “You” second person plural, Draw near “the one changing” is third person singular. Power of God is the object of the preposition “for” and first person singular.

"You change your mind the ones changing draw near for the royal power of God"
Mat 4:17
απο τοτε ηρξατο ο ιησους κηρυσσειν και λεγειν μετανοειτε
from then began Jesus to herald and say think differently

ηγγικεν γαρ η βασιλεία των ουρανων
come near for the royal power of heaven (God)

. Yes βασιλεία has been translated Kingdom but, usage over a long time does not make it correct. Βασιλεία is an abstract idea of the power behind a King, it is the power that allows a King to rule, and the Greeks very seldom used it as a physical kingdom. (Alford)

This is just a note from the lesson there is A LOT MORE.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6wdsf5ctjjaeW5jbUdzQWlITVU
 
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gentiles grafted into the spiritual Israel after the nation rejected God.
Hi RS - I would like to be helpful if possible but it would be more clearer if you could formulate your inquiries more into questions so we can avoid possible misunderstandings as much as possible. Thanks for your reply.

God's blessings to your Family!
 
I asked the question "Christians Who are we?" I tried to answer it. There is a lot I do not know and if you show me a better answer I will learn, (and use it). However this IS NOT A 5 line 5 minute QUESTION. There is a lot here.

I would love to have your comments and Ideas on what I have written. (ok, it is 51 pages so SOME IDEAS as you may have time) if you will. Some of this is different from traditional teachings but I feel it is what the Bible says, we were taught wrong on many points.

Please read and comment.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6wdsf5ctjjaeW5jbUdzQWlITVU
 
gentiles grafted into the spiritual Israel after the nation rejected God.
The above quote is a significant key to understanding much Bible doctrine concerning the two systems of the people of God--Israel (believers in God but not Christ) and the Church (all who believe in Christ). Due to this site's rules we would need to start another thread just to avoid conflicting with this site, but I believe the bulk of our discussion will have much to do with this thread.

Look for a thread I will soon start titled The Two Dispensations which I will be posting in Apologetcs & Theology so it can be debated without conflicting with site rules.
 
The above quote is a significant key to understanding much Bible doctrine concerning the two systems of the people of God--Israel (believers in God but not Christ) and the Church (all who believe in Christ). Due to this site's rules we would need to start another thread just to avoid conflicting with this site, but I believe the bulk of our discussion will have much to do with this thread.

Look for a thread I will soon start titled The Two Dispensations which I will be posting in Apologetcs & Theology so it can be debated without conflicting with site rules.

THank you I will Look for it.
 
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