Interesting Alabaster Box Contradictions!

[precepts]

While once again doing my usual sha-bath reading, I came across these interesting contradictions. It seems reading thru the scriptures like a book every sha-bath helps to open one's understanding of the word. This is my 5th time thru.

Mat 26:6 Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper,
Mat 26:7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat [at meat].
Mat 26:8 But when his disciples saw [it], they had indignation, saying, To what purpose [is] this waste?
Mat 26:9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
Mat 26:10 When Jesus understood [it], he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
Mat 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Mat 26:12 For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did [it] for my burial.
Mat 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, [there] shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Who is this woman? Note this is the house of a "Simon the leper," and that she pours the ointment on his head not his feet which Mark repeats:

Mar 14:3 And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured [it] on his head.
Mar 14:4 And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made?
Mar 14:5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.
Mar 14:6 And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me.
Mar 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
Mar 14:8 She hath done what she could: she is come aforehand to anoint my body to the burying.
Mar 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, [this] also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Here's one of the contradictions:

Jhn 11:1 Now a certain [man] was sick, [named] Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
Jhn 11:2 (It was [that] Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
Jhn 11:3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

John says it was Mary who anointed Christ's "feet" with the ointment from the alabaster box and not his head.

Jhn 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
Jhn 12:2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
Jhn 12:3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
Jhn 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], which should betray him,
Jhn 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
Jhn 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Jhn 12:7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
Jhn 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

Definately a contradiction, but I kept highlighting the location of this house in Bethany for a purpose. Note while Martha is serving, Lazarus is seated with Christ and his disciples, while Mary is anointing his feet.

Luk 10:38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
Luk 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Intersting connection!

Luk 7:36 And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat.
Luk 7:37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that [Jesus] sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,
Luk 7:38 And stood at his feet behind [him] weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe [them] with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed [them] with the ointment.
Luk 7:39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw [it], he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman [this is] that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
Luk 7:40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
Luk 7:41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
Luk 7:42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
Luk 7:43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that [he], to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
Luk 7:44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped [them] with the hairs of her head.
Luk 7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
Luk 7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
Luk 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, [the same] loveth little.
Luk 7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
Luk 7:49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Once again we're in the house of Simon, now called a Pharisee, but who is this Simon? Could it be Simon Peter?

Mar 1:29 And forthwith, when they were come out of the synagogue, they entered into the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John.
Mar 1:30 But Simon's wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.
Mar 1:31 And he came and took her by the hand, and lifted her up; and immediately the fever left her, and she ministered unto them.

My theory is that all these verses are tied in together. This had to be the house of the disciple called Simon the canaanite, the brother of Matthew, Mary's sister's house.

Mat 9:9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.
Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard [that], he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I think this is the same house that they are referring to as Simon's because Mary's sister (supposedly named Mary, was married to a Greek named Alphaeus aka Cleophas).

Mar 2:14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the [son] of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.
Mar 2:15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.
Mar 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Notice this is Matthew the son of Alphaues. I quoted these two verses because I felt the context was in reference to Matthew being a publican, and it is based on Mat 10:3.

Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
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Mar 3:18 And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the [son] of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite,
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Luk 6:15 Matthew and Thomas, James the [son] of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,

Obviously if Matthew and James are the sons of an Alphaeus, they must be brothers!

Act 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas [the brother] of James.

This Judas can only be the brother of James and Matthew, the sons of Alphaeus!

Jhn 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the [wife] of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

Proof Mary (Christ's mother) had a sister named Mary and by the way, Thomas means twin. There were two James, two Johns (Matthew), two Simons, two Judas' (Andrew), and two Thomas', Judas meaning "breast or praise," of course.

I don't have the proof for Alphaeus being interpreted the same as Cleophas, but I believe one is greek and the other latin.

Food for thought!

 

[turnorburn]

About how many contradictions have you found so far precepts?

tob

 

[Mizzy]

Here's one of the contradictions:






Jhn 11:1 Now a certain [man] was sick, [named] Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
Jhn 11:2 (It was [that] Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
Jhn 11:3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.



John says it was Mary who anointed Christ's "feet" with the ointment from the alabaster box and not his head.






Jhn 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
Jhn 12:2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
Jhn 12:3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
Jhn 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], which should betray him,
Jhn 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
Jhn 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Jhn 12:7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
Jhn 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

I see no contradiction. His feet are part of his body & John said NOTHING about His head not being annointed.

It's the words of a different person; different focus points; different personality. I see nothing contradictory here. I can see someone 10 years apart & I notice that they changed their hair. You may not, but you may notice they gained 14 pounds. John took more notice to the feet being annointed & wiped with her hair, while another took more notice to the head being annointed. Who knows, maybe John was getting a drink of water or greeting someone when the head was annointed & only saw the feet.

Luk 7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
Luk 7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Luk 7.47

And this here is no different than me saying, "you - my dearest friend, didn't even give me a dollar for groceries, but complete strangers at the church gave me a weeks worth of food."

Jesus didn't say she DIDN'T annoint His head, but that THEY didn't.


As far as "your theory," not sure what to say. I don't know you & don't want to jump to conclusions. For now though, I'll have to stick to God's theory. ;)

 

[precepts]

Here's one of the contradictions:






Jhn 11:1 Now a certain [man] was sick, [named] Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
Jhn 11:2 (It was [that] Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
Jhn 11:3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.



John says it was Mary who anointed Christ's "feet" with the ointment from the alabaster box and not his head.






Jhn 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
Jhn 12:2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
Jhn 12:3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
Jhn 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], which should betray him,
Jhn 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
Jhn 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Jhn 12:7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
Jhn 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

I see no contradiction. His feet are part of his body & John said NOTHING about His head not being annointed.

It's the words of a different person; different focus points; different personality. I see nothing contradictory here. I can see someone 10 years apart & I notice that they changed their hair. You may not, but you may notice they gained 14 pounds. John took more notice to the feet being annointed & wiped with her hair, while another took more notice to the head being annointed. Who knows, maybe John was getting a drink of water or greeting someone when the head was annointed & only saw the feet.

Luk 7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
Luk 7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Luk 7.47

And this here is no different than me saying, "you - my dearest friend, didn't even give me a dollar for groceries, but complete strangers at the church gave me a weeks worth of food."

Jesus didn't say she DIDN'T annoint His head, but that THEY didn't.


As far as "your theory," not sure what to say. I don't know you & don't want to jump to conclusions. For now though, I'll have to stick to God's theory. ;)

A righteous tree can only bare righteous fruits, friend.

 

[precepts]

About how many contradictions have you found so far precepts?

tob

Enough to not trust the new testament as the gospel truth. Precept upon precept, line upon line, is the rule for understanding scripture.

 

[turnorburn]

@precept: Are you a member of The Shepherds Chapel..

tob

 

[precepts]

@precept: Are you a member of The Shepherds Chapel..

tob

Righteous trees can only bare righteous fruits.

 

[turnorburn]

Let me put it another way precept.. do you adhere to the teachings of Arnold Murray?

tob

 

[precepts]

Let me put it another way precept.. do you adhere to the teachings of Arnold Murray?

tob

I know not the man.

 

[Mizzy]

Enough to not trust the new testament as the gospel truth. Precept upon precept, line upon line, is the rule for understanding scripture.

A righteous tree can only bare righteous fruits, friend.

Well, you seem to have no qualms with Matthew 7:18, now do ya? ;)

I know not the man.

Aha! You weren't asked if ya knew him. :naughty

 

[precepts]

Enough to not trust the new testament as the gospel truth. Precept upon precept, line upon line, is the rule for understanding scripture.

A righteous tree can only bare righteous fruits, friend.

Well, you seem to have no qualms with Matthew 7:18, now do ya? ;)

I know not the man.

Aha! You weren't asked if ya knew him. :naughty

Are you playing the devil's advocate?

 

[Mizzy]

Well, you seem to have no qualms with Matthew 7:18, now do ya? ;)

I know not the man.

Aha! You weren't asked if ya knew him. :naughty

Are you playing the devil's advocate?

Moi? Should I knoweth this devil you speak of?

 

[precepts]

Well, you seem to have no qualms with Matthew 7:18, now do ya? ;)

I know not the man.

Aha! You weren't asked if ya knew him. :naughty

Are you playing the devil's advocate?

Moi? Should I knoweth this devil you speak of?

Should Moi?!

 

[Mizzy]

Are you playing the devil's advocate?

Moi? Should I knoweth this devil you speak of?

Should Moi?!

:naughty I knoweth not this:devil. That would make me ebil. I am an :angel3 *dropkicks her halo*

 

[precepts]

Are you playing the devil's advocate?

Moi? Should I knoweth this devil you speak of?

Should Moi?!

:naughty I knoweth not this:devil. That would make me ebil. I am an :angel3 *dropkicks her halo*

Oh, you're one of those!

 

[jasoncran]

odd, he believes in the tanach and that doesn't have isssues? yet it does but like the brit chadosh its easily reconciled

 

[Mizzy]

Should Moi?!

:naughty I knoweth not this:devil. That would make me ebil. I am an :angel3 *dropkicks her halo*

Oh, you're one of those!

I'm glad we could clear this up.

Now then...

Answer TOB's question please!

 

[precepts]

Should Moi?!

:naughty I knoweth not this:devil. That would make me ebil. I am an :angel3 *dropkicks her halo*

Oh, you're one of those!

I'm glad we could clear this up.

Now then...

Answer TOB's question please!

And you are...?

 

[Mizzy]

Oh, you're one of those!

I'm glad we could clear this up.

Now then...

Answer TOB's question please!

And you are...?

I am the one that caught you avoiding a question by giving an answer that could be taken as a no, but could still be a yes. And you're still avoiding it, I see. ;)

 

[precepts]

Oh, you're one of those!

I'm glad we could clear this up.

Now then...

Answer TOB's question please!

And you are...?

I am the one that caught you avoiding a question by giving an answer that could be taken as a no, but could still be a yes. And you're still avoiding it, I see. ;)

Please! You're the devil's advocate, and that next guy is the devil's advocate advocate.