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I'd find those posts funny, but I think he is about to blow a gasket. I seriously suggest that JTB take a self imposed timeout from the keyboard. I'll pray for you.
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ttg said:
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It seems that I started this thread. And it also seems that about the only thing from catholics is 'individual' slams. Nothing about the documented stuff being open & sinful. Just jesuit personal attacks.
Why not defend the stuff that one calls ... [quote:] "John, did you know ... culture was a little different in the 70's than it is now? Back in the 70s, there wouldnt be any gay pride parades. There was nothing to be proud of. People wanted them to stay in the closet. Not so today. ... ."
Well, come on out if that is what you are saying, and tell the whole wide world!
And about taking a break? That is just more 2 Corinthians 4:2 jesuit stuff also, huh? In other words, why do not you and yours take the brake? But no, it is not the aids infested priest who are the problem, or the partakers of the open sin, but the Christ who condems it. Isaiah 58:1, Ezekiel 33:6-9 & Hebrews 6:6
---John
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I wasnt calling you gay, john. Nor was I insinuating that I was gay either. Also, I challenge you to name a personal attack from me to you. I have never actually personally attacked anyone, though I have referred to a couple of people as 'insane' today (local culture thing).
(and i was agreeing with FSW)
And I wasnt saying I wanted people to come out of the closet. The culture is far more accepting of homosexuality now than it was in the past. Im not saying that is right, either.
What do you want to see documented?
And for the record, Im not a Jesuit... Im an orthodox Catholic, Roman rite.
(and i was agreeing with FSW)
And I wasnt saying I wanted people to come out of the closet. The culture is far more accepting of homosexuality now than it was in the past. Im not saying that is right, either.
What do you want to see documented?
And for the record, Im not a Jesuit... Im an orthodox Catholic, Roman rite.
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belovedwolfofgod said:
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Hi, the subject was about something of interest, huh? Well, you post above I find interesting! So far. :wink: Seeing that you cannot seem to get off the 'personal' side of a post? Let me tell what I would like you to document for me, seeing that you asked.
Do you put the Word of God before the catholic church, And please, just a yes or no will do. For all else will be seen by me as a jesuit tactic at best. Compare 2 Corinthians 4:2
---John
PS: Let me comment on the personal attack question? As I read Revelation 18:4 it says [to me] that anytime that I agree with another that is openly seen by me as wrong, or is even 'verbally' attacking another, and then if I agree with him in doing so? Or, when I am in 'yoked church membership' with open known sin being carried on, wheather it be doctrine or whatever, then I am A PARTAKER and God holds me responsible as well. Got that? That is my belief on what it means to be 'In' Christ. Romans 8:1.
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thessalonian
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John, you really look silly with this Jesuit stuff. No does not work because it is not WOG or the Church. That is what you cannot wrap your jesuit prejudices around. 
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John the Baptist
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You guy's sure are stirrrrred ( :wink: ) up for some reason, huh? But, 2 Corinthians 4:2 is your jesuit theology verse for me! :fadein:
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Wicked Jesuit that I am I will even act as if I don't know what "Jesuit theology" is. Because I don't. :roll: :multi:
John, you trully are the most interesting personality on this board. A true case study. I'll go no further than that.
: Is that a black helicopter over your head? :o Perhaps it's paratrooper Jesuits coming to do you in. I would watch your backside if I were you John. :-D Us Jesuits are truly evil. :evil:
Disclaimer: This post is all in fun and not in any way to be taken seriously as a threat to dear John.
John, you trully are the most interesting personality on this board. A true case study. I'll go no further than that.
: Is that a black helicopter over your head? :o Perhaps it's paratrooper Jesuits coming to do you in. I would watch your backside if I were you John. :-D Us Jesuits are truly evil. :evil: Disclaimer: This post is all in fun and not in any way to be taken seriously as a threat to dear John.
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By Word of God, do you mean the Bible? If you do, and that is solely what you refer to when you mean Word of God, I would have to say the Church comes first. I dont believe in the protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura, so to me, the Bible is not the complete word of God.
However, if by Word of God you mean Apostolic Tradition AND the Bible, then I would say Word of God first, because that gave rise to the Church and is its very mission to spread. Church existed before Bible (except Jewish books). It would have to be the synthesis.
Thats about as clear-cut an answer that I can give as a Catholic.
However, if by Word of God you mean Apostolic Tradition AND the Bible, then I would say Word of God first, because that gave rise to the Church and is its very mission to spread. Church existed before Bible (except Jewish books). It would have to be the synthesis.
Thats about as clear-cut an answer that I can give as a Catholic.
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belovedwolfofgod said:
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Thanks! You answered my question. The reason that I ask is most likely self/explanatory. But, if not? Let me just say that I have been around for quite a spell, and I do not waste my time with the ones that cannot accept the Word of God as first place in their convictions. And I have no problem with that freedom.
Oh', and that other dude? The funny one.
When I first started several years back on the computer, I had protection from virus's. But in today's setting I've found that I am bombarded with virus fixes & stops, checks etc. Usually after catholic warnings, they came. Even bombarded with porn stuff to boot! But most likely just coincidence, huh? Yet, my son say's that he never has that problem. And now what?? Just as any one can read, that of attacking the person, instead of the Word that are always contained there-in. :fadein: Matthew 10:20-28---John
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Oh we definitely accept the word of God as first place in our convictions. Can you show me a passage in scripture that says that Word of God == (double equals means identical) scripture? Don't get me wrong, scripture is the WOG. But scripture mentions both WOG and Scripture. Are they interchangable? Prove it with scripture if you can. Thanks.
Oh', and that other dude? The funny one.
Catholic warnings? What are you accusing us of John. Obviously the Jesuits are in charge of all the porn and computer viruses as well. :o . I don't mean to call you a liar but your going overboard here Johnny. It's you that is doing the attacking with nonsensical black helicopter accusations. You've called me a Jesuit and now you say that group (which includes me) spreads porn and viruses. :-? . That's an attack sonny.
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--Revelation 14:6-10 Final Message--
More interesting Present Day Truth that was sent to me by someone without an author name? ---John
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EARTH'S FINAL WARNING
CHAOS AWAITS MAJOR CITIES... RESULTING IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF A NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW. "AND THAT NO MAN MIGHT BUY OR SELL, SAVE HE THAT HAD THE MARK, OR THE NAME OF THE BEAST" REV. 13:17.
LIBERTY OF CONSCIENCE DENIED - EVERY PRINCIPLE OF THE CONSTITUTION WILL BE REPUDIATED "AND ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST" REV. 13:3.
>>>>>>>WHO IS THE WOMAN RIDING THE BEAST?<<<<<<<<
In prophetic language, the symbol of a Woman represents a church, as we find it in Jeremiah 6:1-2 or Ephesians 5:24-27. Also in the book of Revelation, it is described to us, by the symbol of a "woman" the pure and only church of Christ, that "keeps the commandments of God and has the faith of Jesus" (Rev. 12:6, 13-17; 14:12). Revelation describes another "woman" that is not of Christ, it is a rich, an arrogant, and a persecuting church, as we will see:
“And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet [red] color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand [the vessels of her rituals] full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of harlots and abominations of the earth†(Rev.17:4-5).
“And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints [even though she speaks of peace, she’s murderous & persecuting Dan. 8:23-25], and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration†(Rev. 17:6).
“And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns†(Rev. 17:7).
“And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, [historically, Rome has been the city of the seven mountains] on which the woman sitteth†(Rev. 17:9).
“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings [world powers at large], which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast [in prophecy, a “beast†is a kingly power, Dan. 7:17,23]. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast†(Rev. 17:12-13).
“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth [to sit means to control through world governments, as we have illustrated in this prophetic narrative], are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues†(Rev 17:15).
“For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast [an ecclesiastical-political new- world order], until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman [the impure church ] which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth†(Rev. 17:17-18). Note: With prophetic insight into the future, John was unmistakably hinting that there would be a power that would lust for both political and religious supremacy.
The late Jesuit and Vatican insider, Malachi Martin, wrote, “...he [John Paul II] insists that men have no reliable hope of creating a viable geopolitical system unless it is on the basis of Roman Catholic Christianity.†The Keys of This Blood, page 492.
WHAT IS HER MARK?
“The OBSERVANCE of SUNDAY by the Protestants is an HOMAGE THEY PAY in spite of themselves to the AUTHORITY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.†Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk about Protestantism of Today, page 213.
“The Catholic Church, for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.†The Catholic Mirror, September, 1893.
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.†H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov 11, 1895.
“The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance is proof positive of that fact.†The Catholic Record, London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
“We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.†Peter Geiermann, CSSR, A Doctrinal Catechism, 1957 Edition, page 50.
“We all gather on the day of the SUN...Sunday on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in the light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal church.†New Catholic Catechism (1993), pages 582, 583.
THE FIRST SUNDAY LAW
“The earliest recognition of the observation of Sunday as a legal duty is a constitution of Constantine [the first Roman “church-state†Emperor] in 321 A.D.†Encyclopedia Britannica, Ninth Edition, Article “Sunday.â€Â
“FIRST DAY†BIBLE TEXTS
Millions of conscientious Christians attend church every Sunday, the first day of the week. They do so believing that somewhere, somehow, someone changed the day of worship. Either that, or they arn't’ aware that God set aside the seventh day, not the first day of the week, as His holy day. It is true, a change has been made. But by whom? We will discover that God made the Sabbath during the first week of earth’s history. He set it aside as a weekly appointment between man and Himself - as a blessing, a refreshment, the day to especially remember, honor and worship Him as our Creator and King. If God changed His mind about His special appointed day with us, wouldn’t He have recorded so momentous an adjustment in the Bible? There are only eight texts in the New Testament that mention the first day of the week. Please look at them carefully. (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1,2; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; John 20:19; Acts 20:7, 8; I Corinthians 16:1, 2).
The first five texts simply state that the women came to the sepulcher early on the resurrection morning, and that Jesus rose from the dead. Now look up John 20:19 in your Bible. It tells us that Jesus appeared to the disciples later on the resurrection day. It says that the reason they were assembled was “for fear of the Jews.â€Â
No telling when the Jews might grab them and treat them to the same fate as their Master. They had seen their beloved Master die on Friday. They “returned and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.†(Luke 23:56) And now they’re hiding with the door shut for “fear of the Jews†(John 20:19). There’s no mention of a change.
The seventh text is Acts 20:7,8. It says, “and upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper
chamber, where they were gathered together.†This was a night meeting - the dark part of the first day of the week. In the Bible reckoning, the dark part of the day comes before the light part. “And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called night. And the evening and the morning were the first day†(Gen. 1:5).
The dark part comes first. The Bible reckons a day from sunset to sunset. The seventh day begins at sunset Friday evening. The first day begins sunset Saturday evening. Paul is together with his friends on the dark part of the first day of the week which we call today “Saturday nightâ€Â. This is a farewell get-together. He preaches until midnight until poor Eutychus falls out of the window (Acts 20:9). Verse eleven says that they talked until the break of day, and then Paul departed. Verse thirteen shows that Paul spent that Sunday morning traveling to Assos. There’s nothing here either concerning a change of the Sabbath.
The New English Bible translates this text like this: “On Saturday night, in our assembly for the breaking of the bread, Paul who was to leave the next day, addressed them, and went on speaking until midnight†(Acts 20:7). The last text that mentions the first day of the week is in I Corinthians 16:1, 2. It says: “Now concerning the
collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.†Verse three tells us that he will bring the offering to Jerusalem. As he had done in Galatia, so
Paul also requested of those in Corinth to have a collection all ready when he would come to take it to the poor saints in Jerusalem. There’s nothing in the text about a church service, but each person is to “lay by him in store.†The first day of the week was the best time for people to set some money aside, because later in the week, it would be spent. That’s also true today! Paul requested this so “that there be no gathering when I come†(I Corinthians 16:2).
SATURDAY IS THE SABBATH...THE 7TH
DAY... THE LORD’S DAY...Beware of SUNDAY...Counterfeit Sabbath...the mark of the beast that will be enforced as the day of rest and worship by a national Sunday law! Exodus 20:8-11, Ezekiel 20:20, Daniel 7:25, Matthew 12:8, Luke 23:56, Revelation 13:16-17 & 14:7-12.
“The Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day†(Mat. 12:8). “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God†(Fourth Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11). “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James... very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulcher at the rising of the sun...
And entering into the sepulcher, they saw a young man...And he saith unto them, be not affrighted; Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: He is risen.†(Mark 16:1-6).
Everyone knows that Sunday was the resurrection day. “The Sabbath was past†when it dawned. Thus it is evident that the Sabbath is Saturday, the day before Sunday. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill†(Matthew 5:17). “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and e a r t h pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled†(Matthew 5 : 1 8 ). “The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath†(Mark 2:27).
“And that day was the preparation and the sabbath drew on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulcher, and how His body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment†(Luke 23:54-56).
Notice that Luke, a non-Jewish biblical writer, approximately 37 years AFTER the resurrection of Christ, still called the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) a Commandment of God.
“And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scripture†(Acts 17:2). “And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks†(Acts 18:4). “There remaineth therefore a rest [Sabbath] to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His†(Hebrews 4:9, 10). “For he spake in a certain place of the
seventh day...And God did rest the seventh day from all his works,†“And blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it†(Hebrews 4:4 and Exodus 20:11).
In the New Testament, there are no fewer than 59 references to the Sabbath. The book of Acts records 84 Sabbaths on which the Apostle Paul and his associates held religious services. Yet there is not ONE word in the entire Bible authorizing Sunday keeping.
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT his Commandments, IS A LIAR, and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM†(1John 2:4). “If you love Me, KEEP my commandments†(John 14:15). “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet OFFEND IN ONE POINT, he is GUILTY OF ALL†(James 2:10). The law that the Bible refers to, here, is the law of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which were written by God’s finger (James 2:8-12, Matthew 5:17- 21, Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 10:1-4).
“And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up: and, as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and stood up for to read†(Luke 4:16). “If thou wilt enter into life, keep the Commandments†(Matthew 19:17). “God blessed the SEVENTH DAY AND SANCTIFIED IT†(Genesis 2:3). “He hath blessed and I cannot reverse it†(Numbers 23:20) “For thou blessest, O Lord, and it shall be blessed for ever†(I Chronicles 17:27).
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven†(Matthew 7:21). “Many will say to Me that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy Name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: Depart from me, ye that work iniquity†(Matthew 7:22, 23).
“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain; and it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the LORD †(Isaiah 66:22, 23). According to Colossians 2:14-17, the sacrifices with its ceremonies and rituals as registered in Leviticus 23 and other texts, were nailed [abolished] on the cross. But not the Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment that is Eternal, as indicated in the above Bible verses.
A CALL TO ALL MENâ€â€REVELATION 14
“Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.†Rev. 14:7. “If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wratf God, which
is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.†Rev. 14:9-10.
For many years, we have seen Sunday closing laws on local, state, and municipal levels. Men are forced to close certain kinds of
businesses, and are prohibited from some secular activities on the first working day [Sunday] of the week, lest they be fined or imprisoned. And the situation will grow worse in the days ahead, “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name†(Read Rev.
13:15-17). But there is victory for those who will stand true to the God of heaven, because there is overcoming power for those who will “keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.†Rev. 14:12.
More interesting Present Day Truth that was sent to me by someone without an author name? ---John
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EARTH'S FINAL WARNING
CHAOS AWAITS MAJOR CITIES... RESULTING IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF A NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW. "AND THAT NO MAN MIGHT BUY OR SELL, SAVE HE THAT HAD THE MARK, OR THE NAME OF THE BEAST" REV. 13:17.
LIBERTY OF CONSCIENCE DENIED - EVERY PRINCIPLE OF THE CONSTITUTION WILL BE REPUDIATED "AND ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST" REV. 13:3.
>>>>>>>WHO IS THE WOMAN RIDING THE BEAST?<<<<<<<<
In prophetic language, the symbol of a Woman represents a church, as we find it in Jeremiah 6:1-2 or Ephesians 5:24-27. Also in the book of Revelation, it is described to us, by the symbol of a "woman" the pure and only church of Christ, that "keeps the commandments of God and has the faith of Jesus" (Rev. 12:6, 13-17; 14:12). Revelation describes another "woman" that is not of Christ, it is a rich, an arrogant, and a persecuting church, as we will see:
“And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet [red] color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand [the vessels of her rituals] full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of harlots and abominations of the earth†(Rev.17:4-5).
“And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints [even though she speaks of peace, she’s murderous & persecuting Dan. 8:23-25], and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration†(Rev. 17:6).
“And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns†(Rev. 17:7).
“And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, [historically, Rome has been the city of the seven mountains] on which the woman sitteth†(Rev. 17:9).
“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings [world powers at large], which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast [in prophecy, a “beast†is a kingly power, Dan. 7:17,23]. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast†(Rev. 17:12-13).
“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth [to sit means to control through world governments, as we have illustrated in this prophetic narrative], are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues†(Rev 17:15).
“For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast [an ecclesiastical-political new- world order], until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman [the impure church ] which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth†(Rev. 17:17-18). Note: With prophetic insight into the future, John was unmistakably hinting that there would be a power that would lust for both political and religious supremacy.
The late Jesuit and Vatican insider, Malachi Martin, wrote, “...he [John Paul II] insists that men have no reliable hope of creating a viable geopolitical system unless it is on the basis of Roman Catholic Christianity.†The Keys of This Blood, page 492.
WHAT IS HER MARK?
“The OBSERVANCE of SUNDAY by the Protestants is an HOMAGE THEY PAY in spite of themselves to the AUTHORITY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.†Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk about Protestantism of Today, page 213.
“The Catholic Church, for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.†The Catholic Mirror, September, 1893.
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.†H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov 11, 1895.
“The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance is proof positive of that fact.†The Catholic Record, London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
“We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.†Peter Geiermann, CSSR, A Doctrinal Catechism, 1957 Edition, page 50.
“We all gather on the day of the SUN...Sunday on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in the light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal church.†New Catholic Catechism (1993), pages 582, 583.
THE FIRST SUNDAY LAW
“The earliest recognition of the observation of Sunday as a legal duty is a constitution of Constantine [the first Roman “church-state†Emperor] in 321 A.D.†Encyclopedia Britannica, Ninth Edition, Article “Sunday.â€Â
“FIRST DAY†BIBLE TEXTS
Millions of conscientious Christians attend church every Sunday, the first day of the week. They do so believing that somewhere, somehow, someone changed the day of worship. Either that, or they arn't’ aware that God set aside the seventh day, not the first day of the week, as His holy day. It is true, a change has been made. But by whom? We will discover that God made the Sabbath during the first week of earth’s history. He set it aside as a weekly appointment between man and Himself - as a blessing, a refreshment, the day to especially remember, honor and worship Him as our Creator and King. If God changed His mind about His special appointed day with us, wouldn’t He have recorded so momentous an adjustment in the Bible? There are only eight texts in the New Testament that mention the first day of the week. Please look at them carefully. (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1,2; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; John 20:19; Acts 20:7, 8; I Corinthians 16:1, 2).
The first five texts simply state that the women came to the sepulcher early on the resurrection morning, and that Jesus rose from the dead. Now look up John 20:19 in your Bible. It tells us that Jesus appeared to the disciples later on the resurrection day. It says that the reason they were assembled was “for fear of the Jews.â€Â
No telling when the Jews might grab them and treat them to the same fate as their Master. They had seen their beloved Master die on Friday. They “returned and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.†(Luke 23:56) And now they’re hiding with the door shut for “fear of the Jews†(John 20:19). There’s no mention of a change.
The seventh text is Acts 20:7,8. It says, “and upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper
chamber, where they were gathered together.†This was a night meeting - the dark part of the first day of the week. In the Bible reckoning, the dark part of the day comes before the light part. “And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called night. And the evening and the morning were the first day†(Gen. 1:5).
The dark part comes first. The Bible reckons a day from sunset to sunset. The seventh day begins at sunset Friday evening. The first day begins sunset Saturday evening. Paul is together with his friends on the dark part of the first day of the week which we call today “Saturday nightâ€Â. This is a farewell get-together. He preaches until midnight until poor Eutychus falls out of the window (Acts 20:9). Verse eleven says that they talked until the break of day, and then Paul departed. Verse thirteen shows that Paul spent that Sunday morning traveling to Assos. There’s nothing here either concerning a change of the Sabbath.
The New English Bible translates this text like this: “On Saturday night, in our assembly for the breaking of the bread, Paul who was to leave the next day, addressed them, and went on speaking until midnight†(Acts 20:7). The last text that mentions the first day of the week is in I Corinthians 16:1, 2. It says: “Now concerning the
collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.†Verse three tells us that he will bring the offering to Jerusalem. As he had done in Galatia, so
Paul also requested of those in Corinth to have a collection all ready when he would come to take it to the poor saints in Jerusalem. There’s nothing in the text about a church service, but each person is to “lay by him in store.†The first day of the week was the best time for people to set some money aside, because later in the week, it would be spent. That’s also true today! Paul requested this so “that there be no gathering when I come†(I Corinthians 16:2).
SATURDAY IS THE SABBATH...THE 7TH
DAY... THE LORD’S DAY...Beware of SUNDAY...Counterfeit Sabbath...the mark of the beast that will be enforced as the day of rest and worship by a national Sunday law! Exodus 20:8-11, Ezekiel 20:20, Daniel 7:25, Matthew 12:8, Luke 23:56, Revelation 13:16-17 & 14:7-12.
“The Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day†(Mat. 12:8). “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God†(Fourth Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11). “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James... very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulcher at the rising of the sun...
And entering into the sepulcher, they saw a young man...And he saith unto them, be not affrighted; Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: He is risen.†(Mark 16:1-6).
Everyone knows that Sunday was the resurrection day. “The Sabbath was past†when it dawned. Thus it is evident that the Sabbath is Saturday, the day before Sunday. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill†(Matthew 5:17). “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and e a r t h pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled†(Matthew 5 : 1 8 ). “The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath†(Mark 2:27).
“And that day was the preparation and the sabbath drew on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulcher, and how His body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment†(Luke 23:54-56).
Notice that Luke, a non-Jewish biblical writer, approximately 37 years AFTER the resurrection of Christ, still called the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) a Commandment of God.
“And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scripture†(Acts 17:2). “And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks†(Acts 18:4). “There remaineth therefore a rest [Sabbath] to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His†(Hebrews 4:9, 10). “For he spake in a certain place of the
seventh day...And God did rest the seventh day from all his works,†“And blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it†(Hebrews 4:4 and Exodus 20:11).
In the New Testament, there are no fewer than 59 references to the Sabbath. The book of Acts records 84 Sabbaths on which the Apostle Paul and his associates held religious services. Yet there is not ONE word in the entire Bible authorizing Sunday keeping.
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT his Commandments, IS A LIAR, and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM†(1John 2:4). “If you love Me, KEEP my commandments†(John 14:15). “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet OFFEND IN ONE POINT, he is GUILTY OF ALL†(James 2:10). The law that the Bible refers to, here, is the law of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which were written by God’s finger (James 2:8-12, Matthew 5:17- 21, Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 10:1-4).
“And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up: and, as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and stood up for to read†(Luke 4:16). “If thou wilt enter into life, keep the Commandments†(Matthew 19:17). “God blessed the SEVENTH DAY AND SANCTIFIED IT†(Genesis 2:3). “He hath blessed and I cannot reverse it†(Numbers 23:20) “For thou blessest, O Lord, and it shall be blessed for ever†(I Chronicles 17:27).
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven†(Matthew 7:21). “Many will say to Me that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy Name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: Depart from me, ye that work iniquity†(Matthew 7:22, 23).
“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain; and it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the LORD †(Isaiah 66:22, 23). According to Colossians 2:14-17, the sacrifices with its ceremonies and rituals as registered in Leviticus 23 and other texts, were nailed [abolished] on the cross. But not the Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment that is Eternal, as indicated in the above Bible verses.
A CALL TO ALL MENâ€â€REVELATION 14
“Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.†Rev. 14:7. “If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wratf God, which
is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.†Rev. 14:9-10.
For many years, we have seen Sunday closing laws on local, state, and municipal levels. Men are forced to close certain kinds of
businesses, and are prohibited from some secular activities on the first working day [Sunday] of the week, lest they be fined or imprisoned. And the situation will grow worse in the days ahead, “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name†(Read Rev.
13:15-17). But there is victory for those who will stand true to the God of heaven, because there is overcoming power for those who will “keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.†Rev. 14:12.
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Not gonna lie. Didnt read the whole thing... but there is one quote that stood out to me.
My question is why should we subject ourselves to incomplete Revelation? Thats what the Arians and the JWs and the Mormons do. Thats how problems start. Now Thess asked this question too in his last post on this thread and you have my question. The burden of proof is on you now... my challenge is that you cant prove that the Bible is the completed revelation.
My question is why should we subject ourselves to incomplete Revelation? Thats what the Arians and the JWs and the Mormons do. Thats how problems start. Now Thess asked this question too in his last post on this thread and you have my question. The burden of proof is on you now... my challenge is that you cant prove that the Bible is the completed revelation.
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John the Baptist
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--The 1000 years finds the earth Wholly DESOLATE!--
Here are some more interesting facts that I was asked about yesterday by the Dr. while there. By the way, there is no tradition presented below, just Bible facts. :fadein: (this was also sent to him)
OK: Doc, see if this is simple enough??
---------The 1000 years will start & END for some!----------
It will start when Christ comes for the living righteous & the resurrected dead [Christians] who will all meet Him in the air, And Christ's God Glory + the angels Glory, will kill the rest of the worlds wicked, so that [all] wicked are now D-E-A-D. satan and the evil angels will now again be here on depopulated earth as it was before God created it! The now again in the 'desolate & void bottom/less pit earth', finds his angel followers and himself in a literal 'bound' chain set of circumstances! They are alone with the wicked all being dead. These who will have their resurrection at the ending of the 1000 years.
This 2nd resurrection is at the 1000 years ending! satan will have 1000 years to think over what his evil rebellion has caused! Yet, at the end of the 1000 years, and at this time, the wicked will all be resurrected, ALL OF ETERNITY (for future documention Nahum 1:9) will see that ALL have come to the point of full eternal uselessness (rebellion) for they come out of the grave the same rebellious way that they went into it! & God will at this time put them out of their misery! This is the penalty stage of their execution, they will suffer according to their deeds! See Eccl. 12:13-14.
These are to ALL be executed in this Second death slaughter, (see Obadiah 1:16) when the New Jerusalem descends at the end of these 1000 years. Their Judgement as to the 'length of suffering' will have been determined during the 1000 years of judgement by the heavenly accurate record books. See Luke 12:47-48. They will ALL be executed at this time. ALONG with Lucifer and his crew of angels, & all of his human evil Desiree's. (compare Gen. 4:7) The earth and the heavens will be cleansed by fire at this time, and then recreated before New Jerusalem sets down. See Eze. 28:18-19 & Obad. 16.
At the present time there are Non/Christians who are alive, OK?
And at the present time we have Christians who are alive also. Again, both are living on earth at this present time.
In the graves we have two class of dead people.
First, and at this present time we will agree to the thought that there are dead Christians in the grave.
And also at this present time there are dead non/Christians who are in the grave.
Lets look at the Masters Word in Jn. 5:28-29. Pay apt attention! (reread & study this verse)
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which [all that are in the graves] shall hear His voice. And they shall come forth; (notice No. 1) they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; (notice No. 2) [and] they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." Also take note, that it does not say that they will all come out of their graves at the same time! Only that, they all will be resurrected, to come forth.
Two different time frames for these two different class of people. But remember that [these both] are now at the present time dead, & in the graves.
Now before we touch upon the same two class of the living at the present time, we are going back to Rev. 20 .We find that the 'd'evil is to be bound for 1000 years by a literal set of circumstances. It was exactly like the first history before man was created. But lets again prove that God is consistent!
Most know that 'man' added chapter titles, periods, numbers & chapters divisions to Gods Word. But it is the period & comma, that gives us some trouble in a few verses of Scripture. (they are in the wrong place) Lets test this in Rev. 20 verse 5? Immediately after the binding of satan in verse four, notice verse 5! "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (OK, 'i' placed a period here as they have done, But we will also place the number 6 here, to start the next verse. And this [new] thought. We will see if this makes more sense?) Verse 6...Blessed AND HOLY [is he that hath part in the first resurrection: (notice) on such the second death hath no power.."
Again the first resurrection brings forth the Blessed and Holy. And the others who are resurrected at the end of the 1000 years will die the second death. (see Rev. 20:14) And as we read in John 5:28-29 the Master promised both the saved & the lost would be resurrected. But not at the same time. But again, remember that this class of people were the ones who had died, both were to be raised from the dead. In other words we are not considering the 'living' yet.
Lets find out what happens to the living on earth when Christ comes again the second time. Remember that there are the Righteous & the wicked alive when He comes.
We will read about the righteous saved ones [first].
"Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not [all] sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(notice 'all' will not sleep on...then it says, but [we] all shall be..) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last [trump:] for the trumpet shall sound, (secret? Hardly!)
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
And we read in Rev. 20:6.. "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection." And in verse 5 again?? "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."
So lets will try another verse on these who come forth in the first resurrection and we will touch on the living righteous only. (not the living wicked)
Notice the wording, Christ does not want us to be mis/led! or 'ignorant' concerning this 'Word' of His.
"But I would not have you to be ignorant; brethren, concerning them which are asleep, (notice that he knows of these others!) even as others which [have no hope.]...For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, (now we see the living righteous come to view) that we which [are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord] shall not prevent them which are asleep. (secret? silent? hardly) For the Lord [himself] shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, [and] with the trump of God: (do you remember when Moses went upon Mt. Sinai? How God spoke, & the whole mountain shook! but notice the next Words) AND THE DEAD IN [CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST. (did you catch the Words, Word? First, or the first resurrection!) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.." 1 Thess. 5:13-16
Please note again: We have not touched a verse strictly about what happened to the living wicked! The wicked who died are still dead & will not come forth until after the 1000 years. So, Christ called forth 'first' those of the saved in the first resurrection.
Who is left here for us to consider? When the Master came there were two class of people here on earth. Both the Righteous & the wicked living, what happened to the living wicked?? Lets go to Revelation 6:14-17 to check?
We find that when Christ comes to earth the second time, that the earth will
be de/populated, except for satan & his evil angels.
But we did not use these verses. And it can leave NO DOUBT as to the time being that of the Masters SECOND COMING! Rev. 6:14-17 says:
"And the heaven departed as a scowl when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (remember who only are here! the wicked dead are still in their grave & all the righteous are to be brought forth together at this same time, at Christ's second coming. Now notice!)
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondsman, and every free man,
[hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME;] AND WHO SHALL BE ABLE TO STAND?"
You will want these last verses to seal this truth in your mind, as for the time frame.
It is clearly seen as that of our Lords Second coming, and the total temporary 1000 year death of all the wicked! The verses are found in 2 Thess. 2:1-9. (you read it all, i will use just its context)
The righteous are being raptured away' (if i can use this term?)
And the wicked dead will not come forth until the end of the 1000 years. And these living wicked are WANTING TO DIE. And they will do so. Now, the earth is as it was before creation. Dark & Void, the home for the evil angels & their master, satan. Chained by a literal set of circumstances until the 1000 years are finished. Then, they will all take part in the second resurrection to be eternally slain! This is called the SECOND DEATH! try Revelation 20:14.
You will want these verses in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9 to see that it is at the Masters second coming that the rest of the wicked are slain & that all the wicked are now dead, and remain so until the end of the 1000 years. Then they will be resurrected for a very short time.
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by [our gathering together unto Him]...And then shall the [wicked be revealed, (pay apt attention) whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of His mouth, and SHALL DESTROY WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING."
---John
Here are some more interesting facts that I was asked about yesterday by the Dr. while there. By the way, there is no tradition presented below, just Bible facts. :fadein: (this was also sent to him)
OK: Doc, see if this is simple enough??
---------The 1000 years will start & END for some!----------
It will start when Christ comes for the living righteous & the resurrected dead [Christians] who will all meet Him in the air, And Christ's God Glory + the angels Glory, will kill the rest of the worlds wicked, so that [all] wicked are now D-E-A-D. satan and the evil angels will now again be here on depopulated earth as it was before God created it! The now again in the 'desolate & void bottom/less pit earth', finds his angel followers and himself in a literal 'bound' chain set of circumstances! They are alone with the wicked all being dead. These who will have their resurrection at the ending of the 1000 years.
This 2nd resurrection is at the 1000 years ending! satan will have 1000 years to think over what his evil rebellion has caused! Yet, at the end of the 1000 years, and at this time, the wicked will all be resurrected, ALL OF ETERNITY (for future documention Nahum 1:9) will see that ALL have come to the point of full eternal uselessness (rebellion) for they come out of the grave the same rebellious way that they went into it! & God will at this time put them out of their misery! This is the penalty stage of their execution, they will suffer according to their deeds! See Eccl. 12:13-14.
These are to ALL be executed in this Second death slaughter, (see Obadiah 1:16) when the New Jerusalem descends at the end of these 1000 years. Their Judgement as to the 'length of suffering' will have been determined during the 1000 years of judgement by the heavenly accurate record books. See Luke 12:47-48. They will ALL be executed at this time. ALONG with Lucifer and his crew of angels, & all of his human evil Desiree's. (compare Gen. 4:7) The earth and the heavens will be cleansed by fire at this time, and then recreated before New Jerusalem sets down. See Eze. 28:18-19 & Obad. 16.
At the present time there are Non/Christians who are alive, OK?
And at the present time we have Christians who are alive also. Again, both are living on earth at this present time.
In the graves we have two class of dead people.
First, and at this present time we will agree to the thought that there are dead Christians in the grave.
And also at this present time there are dead non/Christians who are in the grave.
Lets look at the Masters Word in Jn. 5:28-29. Pay apt attention! (reread & study this verse)
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which [all that are in the graves] shall hear His voice. And they shall come forth; (notice No. 1) they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; (notice No. 2) [and] they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." Also take note, that it does not say that they will all come out of their graves at the same time! Only that, they all will be resurrected, to come forth.
Two different time frames for these two different class of people. But remember that [these both] are now at the present time dead, & in the graves.
Now before we touch upon the same two class of the living at the present time, we are going back to Rev. 20 .We find that the 'd'evil is to be bound for 1000 years by a literal set of circumstances. It was exactly like the first history before man was created. But lets again prove that God is consistent!
Most know that 'man' added chapter titles, periods, numbers & chapters divisions to Gods Word. But it is the period & comma, that gives us some trouble in a few verses of Scripture. (they are in the wrong place) Lets test this in Rev. 20 verse 5? Immediately after the binding of satan in verse four, notice verse 5! "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (OK, 'i' placed a period here as they have done, But we will also place the number 6 here, to start the next verse. And this [new] thought. We will see if this makes more sense?) Verse 6...Blessed AND HOLY [is he that hath part in the first resurrection: (notice) on such the second death hath no power.."
Again the first resurrection brings forth the Blessed and Holy. And the others who are resurrected at the end of the 1000 years will die the second death. (see Rev. 20:14) And as we read in John 5:28-29 the Master promised both the saved & the lost would be resurrected. But not at the same time. But again, remember that this class of people were the ones who had died, both were to be raised from the dead. In other words we are not considering the 'living' yet.
Lets find out what happens to the living on earth when Christ comes again the second time. Remember that there are the Righteous & the wicked alive when He comes.
We will read about the righteous saved ones [first].
"Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not [all] sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(notice 'all' will not sleep on...then it says, but [we] all shall be..) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last [trump:] for the trumpet shall sound, (secret? Hardly!)
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
And we read in Rev. 20:6.. "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection." And in verse 5 again?? "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."
So lets will try another verse on these who come forth in the first resurrection and we will touch on the living righteous only. (not the living wicked)
Notice the wording, Christ does not want us to be mis/led! or 'ignorant' concerning this 'Word' of His.
"But I would not have you to be ignorant; brethren, concerning them which are asleep, (notice that he knows of these others!) even as others which [have no hope.]...For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, (now we see the living righteous come to view) that we which [are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord] shall not prevent them which are asleep. (secret? silent? hardly) For the Lord [himself] shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, [and] with the trump of God: (do you remember when Moses went upon Mt. Sinai? How God spoke, & the whole mountain shook! but notice the next Words) AND THE DEAD IN [CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST. (did you catch the Words, Word? First, or the first resurrection!) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.." 1 Thess. 5:13-16
Please note again: We have not touched a verse strictly about what happened to the living wicked! The wicked who died are still dead & will not come forth until after the 1000 years. So, Christ called forth 'first' those of the saved in the first resurrection.
Who is left here for us to consider? When the Master came there were two class of people here on earth. Both the Righteous & the wicked living, what happened to the living wicked?? Lets go to Revelation 6:14-17 to check?
We find that when Christ comes to earth the second time, that the earth will
be de/populated, except for satan & his evil angels.
But we did not use these verses. And it can leave NO DOUBT as to the time being that of the Masters SECOND COMING! Rev. 6:14-17 says:
"And the heaven departed as a scowl when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (remember who only are here! the wicked dead are still in their grave & all the righteous are to be brought forth together at this same time, at Christ's second coming. Now notice!)
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondsman, and every free man,
[hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME;] AND WHO SHALL BE ABLE TO STAND?"
You will want these last verses to seal this truth in your mind, as for the time frame.
It is clearly seen as that of our Lords Second coming, and the total temporary 1000 year death of all the wicked! The verses are found in 2 Thess. 2:1-9. (you read it all, i will use just its context)
The righteous are being raptured away' (if i can use this term?)
And the wicked dead will not come forth until the end of the 1000 years. And these living wicked are WANTING TO DIE. And they will do so. Now, the earth is as it was before creation. Dark & Void, the home for the evil angels & their master, satan. Chained by a literal set of circumstances until the 1000 years are finished. Then, they will all take part in the second resurrection to be eternally slain! This is called the SECOND DEATH! try Revelation 20:14.
You will want these verses in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9 to see that it is at the Masters second coming that the rest of the wicked are slain & that all the wicked are now dead, and remain so until the end of the 1000 years. Then they will be resurrected for a very short time.
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by [our gathering together unto Him]...And then shall the [wicked be revealed, (pay apt attention) whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of His mouth, and SHALL DESTROY WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING."
---John
J
John the Baptist
Guest
More interesting Facts!
Is the Sabbath a new thing? Is the Universe not a perfect cycle of order & harmony? Absolutely!! Is God a God of dis/order? Nah, just mankind.
Or do we not believe the inspiration of Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15? Now, go & read it ok? S-L-O-W-L-Y!
Ok. Now test God! Inside of heavens ARK were what Royal Law of the Universe?
What is the fourth commandment? Then, is the Everlasting Gospel of Rev. 14:6's first part really Everlasting? (Sabbath and all) And Heb. 13:20's Everlasting Covenant?? (Contract Condition's!) "Through the blood of the Everlasting Covenant."? Inside this Ark are only nine commandments??? And.. Over the Ark a 'Mercy Seat', for what? Gospel & Covenant!
Again!!! Eternally Everlasting!
Back to the testing of the Godhead in the Eccl.'s verses. Never does God fail! If it does not happen again the second time, He states it as so! Such as the rainbow in the sky. What does that mean? And Nahum 1:9, "affliction shall not rise up a second time."
Well? Let see what was before the test of Adam & Eve? All of the created Universe were tested before sin came forth in Lucifer. That is NOTHING NEW, right? Lucifer was created perfect & came to 'evil' maturity! Five Wise & Five Foolish in heaven as well as Matt. 25 ALL SLEEPING! (Israel of old & Adventist today) Rev. 12 says that 1/3 were 'defrocked'?
From 1/2, or 50% to one third are the few, who the Everlasting Gospel saved, of these fallen angels +! (In Faith) What is New, God asks?
Then before [we can] 'botch' up an answer They answer the question! The Godhead states.. "Nothing new under the sun"!!!
OK: Another question? God created everything. Lucifer was created perfect. Adam & Eve we created in the Image of God perfect. The Master made it so Adam & Eve could also create. (pro/create) Their first born rebelled! So in past history, the Godheads first creation rebelled. Who was that? Did these two become the first murders? (and both were given a head start! Cain had aprox. 120 yrs. before Seth came on the scene as the son of God)
One more? OK, there are only two Virgin denominations in all of mans history. There are to divisions of the Bible. New testament & Old testament. Christ came the first time and His denomination divorced herself from Him! "Nothing new under the sun"
They say! (the Godhead)
Now, would not a repeated history find Adventism in the same rejected state? Or can the Godhead not be trusted to know what they "Eternally, Everlastingly Gospelized & Everlastingly Covenanted"??
Adventists can read 3 S.M. pg. 339's top of pg.! Unless they think that from 27-34AD was not the most important seven years in all of history?
---John
Is the Sabbath a new thing? Is the Universe not a perfect cycle of order & harmony? Absolutely!! Is God a God of dis/order? Nah, just mankind.
Or do we not believe the inspiration of Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15? Now, go & read it ok? S-L-O-W-L-Y!
Ok. Now test God! Inside of heavens ARK were what Royal Law of the Universe?
What is the fourth commandment? Then, is the Everlasting Gospel of Rev. 14:6's first part really Everlasting? (Sabbath and all) And Heb. 13:20's Everlasting Covenant?? (Contract Condition's!) "Through the blood of the Everlasting Covenant."? Inside this Ark are only nine commandments??? And.. Over the Ark a 'Mercy Seat', for what? Gospel & Covenant!
Again!!! Eternally Everlasting!
Back to the testing of the Godhead in the Eccl.'s verses. Never does God fail! If it does not happen again the second time, He states it as so! Such as the rainbow in the sky. What does that mean? And Nahum 1:9, "affliction shall not rise up a second time."
Well? Let see what was before the test of Adam & Eve? All of the created Universe were tested before sin came forth in Lucifer. That is NOTHING NEW, right? Lucifer was created perfect & came to 'evil' maturity! Five Wise & Five Foolish in heaven as well as Matt. 25 ALL SLEEPING! (Israel of old & Adventist today) Rev. 12 says that 1/3 were 'defrocked'?
From 1/2, or 50% to one third are the few, who the Everlasting Gospel saved, of these fallen angels +! (In Faith) What is New, God asks?
Then before [we can] 'botch' up an answer They answer the question! The Godhead states.. "Nothing new under the sun"!!!
OK: Another question? God created everything. Lucifer was created perfect. Adam & Eve we created in the Image of God perfect. The Master made it so Adam & Eve could also create. (pro/create) Their first born rebelled! So in past history, the Godheads first creation rebelled. Who was that? Did these two become the first murders? (and both were given a head start! Cain had aprox. 120 yrs. before Seth came on the scene as the son of God)
One more? OK, there are only two Virgin denominations in all of mans history. There are to divisions of the Bible. New testament & Old testament. Christ came the first time and His denomination divorced herself from Him! "Nothing new under the sun"
They say! (the Godhead)
Now, would not a repeated history find Adventism in the same rejected state? Or can the Godhead not be trusted to know what they "Eternally, Everlastingly Gospelized & Everlastingly Covenanted"??
Adventists can read 3 S.M. pg. 339's top of pg.! Unless they think that from 27-34AD was not the most important seven years in all of history?
---John
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thessalonian
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Interpretations are not facts unless the interpreter is infallible and yours definitely isn't. Interpretations are traditions as they are passed on from one person to another. Your post contains much tradition.
J
John the Baptist
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Sometimes It Takes Awhile?
James 4:7
James 4:7
T
thessalonian
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Re: Sometimes It Takes Awhile?
sigh. :-?
John the Baptist said:
sigh. :-?