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Is America trying to get rid of God these days?

Is America trying to get rid of God these days?

The idea that we act as a collective is a Satanic idea. We can see the principal of this expressed at the Tower of Babel. However, today's view of the collective had its origins in the period of so-called enlightenment. Intellectuals saw religion as an idea whose time had past. The religious wars following the reformation set the stage for people to consider that they need to chart their own course. The American revolution was the realization of a dream of people set free from the whimsical restrictions of a King as well as the oppression of a state church.

Satan needed to build America up as the frontispiece of his program to get the world to buy into the idea that democracy is the solution to problems. America seemed to work for two reasons. The first is the high percentage of real Christians who behave well not because of a system of laws, but because they are led by the Holy Spirit. The second reason is two hundred years of almost unlimited westward expansion. Many of those who would normally occupy their time seeking power over others and getting riches at any cost were consumed with the opportunities provided by what was called "free" land.

From the French revolution through the disastrous 1848 European revolutions until the end of colonialisation in Africa, it would be difficult to find an inspiring record of democratic revolution.

In essence America is a lie. It has been built up to almost mythological proportions for Satanic purposes. It is difficult to find anyone on earth who does not desire to be able to come to America for a better life.

The end of slavery is one of the myth components. Slavery was ending throughout the world because it does not make economic sense. The desire to get rich through the exploitation of others is an intrinsic human characteristic. It has been said, "Everyone wants to be Hitler". When Israel came into Canaan they disobeyed God so they they could keep some of the people to work for them. Even today we celebrate our "freedom" as we shop at Walmart to buy products made by Chinese slaves and buy houses built with the exploitation of illegal Mexican labor. The death of over a half million men didn't end slavery as much as it enhanced Federal power and lent credence to the idea that wrongs are cured through force. What an obscene legacy for those sad veterans.

It is essential for Satan to destroy the family. He cannot come out and get many people to support this plan so, as usual, he changes the name. By using his usual techniques of lies, he gets people to see the traditional role of women not as honored and cherished wives and mothers, but as exploited slaves who are now set free to be be worker bees in his brave new world. By getting women to demand "rights", he gets them to despise and destroy their natural role and build their own prison. The TV show "Sex in the City" is an interesting example of how Satan glamorizes his attack on women by getting them to insist on being exploited. What the show fails to talk about is that after being used for sex almost as much as a prostitute and after her body is incapable of efficient labor for a corporation, and as her health fails, where is her loving family that cares for her and shows the love for her that she has put into their lives.

The master stroke Satan has used has been public education. This efficient system to strip away any values, ideas, or beliefs from each generation and replace them has been most effective in changing the religion of America from Christianity to secularism.

Again Satan has used his lies to get people to insist on being enslaved. There are few people who would agree with the idea that Education can be accomplished without trained professionals. Yet most homeschoolers can see that it is the child that learns more than the teacher who teaches. If teachers really taught, why do inner city kids do so poorly?

Satan needed public education specifically to get people more lemming-like. Together with a secular based media he was able to get people proudly to march off from one war to another. One can make a case that our involvement in World War I help caused World War II.

Today people often wrap themselves up in a blanket of sentimental self-righteous patriotism that blinds them to truth. American is not and has never been "great". It has been inflated to act as a decoy for the rest of the world.

America has not been a beacon of democracy. This has been a smoke screen for the spread of the religion of secularism. We fill the world with pornography, birth control chemicals that kill billions, and we dangle technology as if we were the keepers of the solution to all the ills of mankind. We are Satan's stooge. We think we are "great" because we were the last ones left standing after World War II.

The very idea that "we" are a people shows how far Satan has gotten us to think along his lines. The natural political expression of secularism is socialism and communism. Most people even think that capitalism was somehow opposed to communism. A corporation is just an economic collective. Look how easily GM folds into the government.

The Christian is to look to his Lord. We are not to even be "friends" with the world. We are supposed to be aware of the schemes of Satan. It is sad to see so many who claim to be Christian fight tooth and nail to advance the ideas and plans of Satan. Oh, that they were as passionate for their Savior as they are for "America".

At the end of the age we will be able to look back at all of human history and see almost every permutation of government and human rule. Kingdoms, empires, communes, democracies, city-states, etc. the one thing they all have in common is that without God, they are all failures.
 
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Wow Timf,

Do you think there is more evil in America than there is good?

Since when does Satan have MORE power than JHVH GOD?

I believe God is in control and that Satan has very little power. Those who are influenced by wicked are not as many as those who are influenced by the goodness of our Lord and Savior. The media, all that is being reported, and all evil that is being focused on makes it appear as if the wicked have taken over! And yes, there are many who have fallen into the cesspool of wickedness. However, I believe the Satan has NOT "taken over". There are plenty of Godly people who stand for righteousness. God knows those that are his outnumber those that are Satan's. only 1/3rd of the angels fell. 2/3rd are still fighting for our cause! And the Lord God JHVH's angels are not loosing this battle. They are fighting for and ministering to those of us who are called for His purpose.

Yes, the government has drastically changed and has become more corrupt than ever before, and has drifted from the priciples from which this nation was founded (Christian principles), but not totally. There IS STILL HOPE. All is not lost! Also, I do not believe that the founding fathers of America were used to plot for Satanic purposes. This country was founded upon Christians principles, not Satanic ones. Being loyal and patriotic to ones country is not a sin IF they are pledging their loyalty and patriotism towards what are based upon Christian principles.

I do agree with you one one point.... that without God there is failure.



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Relic,
Many godly people? There is never a bunch of godly people in any given place. Even Jesus said "Few therebe that find it' referring to the NARROW way - His way. Satan does have power and lots of it - but only what God allows him to have. This world and yes the Great America has fallen from favor in the eyes of God. It is a nation that has forsaken God in many ways. Look now at the abomination of same sex marriages coming forth. That Sexual perversion is running ramped. Godly nation? You are very blind! :nono
 
Am I not making myself clear or are you guys dodging the question?

You speak of our "disgusting" culture and it triggering the "end of days". When the majority of the rest of the world since the beginning of history has been "wicked" why is baby-murdering homo-loving Obama so important to God?
 
animal said:
Am I not making myself clear or are you guys dodging the question?

You speak of our "disgusting" culture and it triggering the "end of days". When the majority of the rest of the world since the beginning of history has been "wicked" why is baby-murdering homo-loving Obama so important to God?

Well asked :rolling - The answer is in Proverbs 1:22-33

Pro 1:22-33 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? (23) Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you. (24) Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; (25) But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: (26) I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; (27) When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. (28) Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: (29) For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: (30) They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. (31) Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. (32) For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. (33) But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
 
I have go with animal's logic on this one. Why, all of a sudden, would Obama be the turning factor?
 
I am Canadian, so i do not have much of a say here it would seem. But the history of The U.S is clearly not founded under Christianity in any way. I do not mean to be insulting, but the founding fathers made it crystal clear that they wanted a country that can accept all religions.

In fact, The treaty of Tripoli in 1797 Which was approved by President John Adams and Secretary of State T. Pickering and ratified by the U.S Senate by unanimous vote and I quote

"... the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."

The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of your Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although many secular and atheist groups fight for the wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems, regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

The end of the Constitution records the year of its ratification, "the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven." Although, indeed, it uses the word "Lord", it does not refer to Jesus but rather to the dating method.

But the fact is that while we have become the most religious of any of the predominantly Christian 1st world nations, (due to repeated surges in rural revivalism) the US in its infancy was once the most secular government in history.

Benjamin Franklin said: "Lighthouses are more useful than churches."

John Adams said: "This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it!"

Thomas Jefferson said: "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

I am not sure how America could be ever considered founded on any religious beliefs.

(some information was gathered from Jim Walker as well as from this site http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/5thFFoC.html)
 
Innkeeper-Ministry said:
Relic,
Many godly people? There is never a bunch of godly people in any given place. Even Jesus said "Few therebe that find it' referring to the NARROW way - His way. Satan does have power and lots of it - but only what God allows him to have. This world and yes the Great America has fallen from favor in the eyes of God. It is a nation that has forsaken God in many ways. Look now at the abomination of same sex marriages coming forth. That Sexual perversion is running ramped. Godly nation? You are very blind! :nono

Are you one of the few that have found the NARROW way? :chin

Are you one of those who are unrepentant and not saved? :chin

God's people are plenty enough, is what my point was.

And I'm sure God isn't finished with saving others from their sins. What are ministers and followers of Christ here for if not to minister to sinners the salvation of Jesus Christ Holy Spirit? Our work is not finished. When Christ said, "It is finished", as he was dying on the cross, the curse was removed, for those that come to Him, by His given grace, as a means of overcoming the sins of the world. But the ministry is not finished. There are many people who are in need of Our Lord and Savior. That part of the gospel is still in progress.

And if "this world, and, yes the Great America has fallen from favor in the eyes of God" as you say, then are you a part of those who have fallen from His favor or are you of those who are so graciously saved? I'm not talking about everyone who resides in the world or everyone residing in America. God knows those who are His and I'm sure there are plenty people all over the world and in America that are not fallen but are saved by the grace of God through Christ Jesus living in and through them no differently than you or I and that there are still plenty still to come to salvation. I know the difference between the "things of this world" and "the people who are living on this planet seeking after the heart of God".

Where in my previous posting did I say many Godly people? I said plenty. That's means there are plenty enough. Even if there were just a few, that's plenty enough. And a few to God might be billions to us! God may give Satan freedom to roam about and prey upon whomever will be tempted by him, but God will not allow him to take over. I believe that 2/3rd of God's angels battling and ministering for those that are God's people, is much more powerful than 1/3rd. God will not forsake those that are His.

And where in my previous posting did I say Godly nation? I said, this nation was founded upon Godly principles.

I think you have to re-read my previous posting.

I must ask you then, Has the word repentance become a thing of the past, was it only of good use to you and I? What about those who are yet to be saved? Have they no chance left at all? Has God said that this is the day of Armageddon or something? As far as I know we still have much work to do as the Lords servants until the rapture actually does occurs. Or, are we left behind and living in the day of great tribulation already. .. I think not.

And, what about the Lord's prayer, is that too null and void of it's meaning now because there is so much wickedness in America and around the world, all around us? Just because there is an abundance of wickedness around us doesn't mean there is no chance for plenty others to still be able to come to the Salvation of Christ.

Why would Jesus say to pray, "... thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven..."
if it weren't possible to have heaven on earth while we are all still living here?

Are all in America lost? Are all in the world lost? NO. But of course there are those who will refuse repentance. Revelation 22:11 tells us that much. Doesn't mean there isn't any Hope left for us to hold onto today.


But until that final day of judgment we are to not loose Hope because there is hope for those that are sinners to come to repentance. We must never give up hope for the salvation of others, no matter how much evil we see going on around us!

God's angels outnumber Satan’s by 2 to 1. God is not going to allow Satan to take over. The final battle in the Book of Revelation tells us that much. And I truly believe that those who are His far out number those who are not, no matter where in the world ( on this planet earth) they are living.
No I'll never give up Hope and I'll not damn the whole world or America by saying all have forsaken God without saying that HE still gives them all a chance of coming to repentance and salvation through Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus. There is still HOPE for them to come to Christ! We have plenty to do for the Good Will of the Lord as being HIS Good will vessels. Do you not think God hears the cry of the people? His mercy is great to those that call upon His name. I have not given up Hope on anyone on this planet earth. Nope, it’s not the time to do that. I have not been told by the Word of God to give up Hope. The time is to go out into the world and preach the good news (gospel). I believe that I am not excluded from passing on the good news. I’ve been there where there is nothing but complaing and no word of any hope after all was said. I pray that I not leave out a word of Hope, again. It’s not over till it’s over.

Who are we to say America is done with already? NO, Holy spirit is not stopped offering salvation to those who are still in need. Wouldn’t that make all ministry null and void if that were the case right now? No I’ll never give up HOPE for those who are still able to turn, to repent and seek after the Heart of God. I’ll not stop the Holy Spirit from working through me in any way He wishes to use me to help save a soul from going to eternal hell. That would be a travesty on my part to think that all I did was see the damning of nations because of all the evil around without having a hope for them that they still have a chance to come to Christ. Wicked people can change their minds. Prisoners have been doing it for many centuries... Sinners have turned from their wicked ways for many centuries to come to salvation. There is still Hope and I’ll not give up on the people in America, nor will I give up on the people around the world. The rapture has not taken place, so I’ll not curse any anyone or any nation by saying they have all forsaken God. There is still HOPE. And there is still time to reach out and help those who are in need of being saved from continuing on committing to sins. The WORD of GOD is still a SAVING GRACE.

God Bless you.

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I have some thoughts but forgive me because they will be random and bulletted...

- Many may not know this but Obama is against gay marriage. He has stated many times that marriage is between a man and a woman and he has left the issues for the states to decide.
- Obama is a Christian and has spoken about how his faith has shaped him in his life and continues to shape him.
- I do see alot of "back in my day" talk going on here with really no perspective on the dark days that our country and the world have experienced throughout history. What makes today worse than the past? In the 60's people of color were lynched just for being people of color. In the 1800's slavery was the law. At our country's inception, if you were not a white property owning male you were noone. In the 1950's, citizens suspected of Communist activity were shunned by society and prosecuted. Every decade has their dark moments with our day and age being no exception.
- I for one am happy that our government upholds our 1st Amendment rights and allows all citizens to make their own choice on which religion, if any, that they will follow. Our government should play no part in dictating spirituality to us in any way. If our country all of a sudden thought the Koran was the book of choice to guide our country I would imagine many of you would go back to the 1st Amendment as evidence that it was wrong to do.
- Oprah? We're bashing Oprah for having self help gurus on her show and for inspiring people to become more spiritual. We think that is evil? I guess I must be as well since I read Wayne Dyer books.
- Do we feel that all people have the fundamental right to not be discriminated against? If the answer is yes, than I think some here have some reevaluating to do.

Just my random thoughts on this topic. I do have one more. I don't feel that America is trying to get rid of God. I think what America has always stood for is allowing people to find their own way and to give them a level playing field to do just that. Besides, at the end of the day, it is not about what America is doing that matters. Do you believe? If so, nothing else truly matters now, does it?
 
Innkeeper-Ministry said:
animal said:
Am I not making myself clear or are you guys dodging the question?

You speak of our "disgusting" culture and it triggering the "end of days". When the majority of the rest of the world since the beginning of history has been "wicked" why is baby-murdering homo-loving Obama so important to God?

Well asked :rolling - The answer is in Proverbs 1:22-33

Pro 1:22-33 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? (23) Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you. (24) Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; (25) But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: (26) I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; (27) When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. (28) Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: (29) For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: (30) They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. (31) Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. (32) For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. (33) But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

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animal, aren't you aware that Gods only interested in America??? Ignore the fact that most Christians are not Americans. :halo
 
Gabriel Ali said:
animal, aren't you aware that Gods only interested in America??? Ignore the fact that most Christians are not Americans. :halo

Most who claim to be Christian are not Christians for that matter :shrug
 
peter33 said:
i hate to say it but i dont believe in my country anymore. in a way i feel God is abandoning it (but not His people). or maybe i should say, we abandoned God so God pulled away from us. i believe in the values and morals of this country's founding fathers, who used to Bible as a guideing step to building this once great nation, but these days, these overtly "liberal" days, im starting to already see sin taking over. we have a president who condones abortion and the killing of life. there is also a rise is athiesm from what i hear, and the Bible to some is something like a relic of the past. we seem to be living in an age of de-moralization (do you see how both kids and adults behave these days?) and skeptisism when at one point people had the bible as the source of a kingdoms' strength. i mean, what exactly has happened to this once great country? let me put it this way, the past has shown that countries that totally abandon God crumble, and if america keeps faithlessness up, it too will crumble. i am already seeing it, and quite frankly, its depressing. i wouldnt be surprised if the Lord came back tommorow. just wat happened to this country? so distressing and sad...

Obama is hardly our first liberal President, or the first who was pro-choice.

As for the rest of the post, I bet you could fill volumes of books with similar writings from people who have said the same thing about the state of our country in every decade ever since our union was formed. The one thing you are right about though is that atheism is on the rise in America.

And besides, the worst blows America has weathered in recent times took place under the stewardship of a devoutly evangelical Christian president.
 
There is nothing new under the sun, there has always been a switch of the ''majority's and the minorities(believers/unbelievers). Our world has always had corruption in it. I used t be doom and gloom and complain all the time that it just seemed like evil was taking over, but now i've come to accept that these things must happen before he returns. It sounds odd, but once you accept this fact, you don't get as worked up over certain misdeeds as you once did. God is still in control whether it looks like it or not.
 
Not getting all worked up anymore is the same as saying you became complacent and unconcerned. This my friend is typical of them who don't want to rock the boat. These are the same ones who have allowed same sex marriage to become mainstream. They are the same who would no longer be concerned with the Homos and lezbos running ramped. These are the same ones who wouds see Obama as a Christian. Wake up - stop your slumber and stand for the Light or you will fall into darkness.
 
Yeah, sure... lets get rid of the homosexuals and the liberals and our country will be good again!! And lets fight through politics and picket signs!

What a huge blinding deception we have bought into! Our root problem isn't political or homosexual, those are symptoms.
 
faith_restored said:
There is nothing new under the sun, there has always been a switch of the ''majority's and the minorities(believers/unbelievers). Our world has always had corruption in it. I used t be doom and gloom and complain all the time that it just seemed like evil was taking over, but now i've come to accept that these things must happen before he returns. It sounds odd, but once you accept this fact, you don't get as worked up over certain misdeeds as you once did. God is still in control whether it looks like it or not.
Innkeeper-Ministry said:
Not getting all worked up anymore is the same as saying you became complacent and unconcerned. This my friend is typical of them who don't want to rock the boat. These are the same ones who have allowed same sex marriage to become mainstream. They are the same who would no longer be concerned with the Homos and lezbos running ramped. These are the same ones who wouds see Obama as a Christian. Wake up - stop your slumber and stand for the Light or you will fall into darkness.

aaaah, muuuuuch better (smaller text so I can read it without straingin my eyes as if the whole paragraph was one huge heading. ) I didn't get all riled up, and I didn't stay complacent about something that bothered me. I just calmly fixed it, in a non vilolent way. :D

Praise God! All is well. :yes
 
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