Bible Study Is Death A Sin? - Yes!

[Karl]

I can see that people have strong feelings about this. Maybe we just shouldn't discuss whether or not Adam died that day. I believe that the Bible is true, and if anyone had shown me a verse from the Bible that said that Adam died that day, I would accept it. That is not being "divisive", that is being "discerning". I've shown you (plural) the Bible verses supporting what I am saying. Genesis 5:5 says that Adam died when he was 930 years old and it says that he lived until then. As Edward said, God doesn't lie. God's word says that Adam lived until he died when he was 930 years old. This means that he did not die anytime before that. Again, if anyone has a verse that says that Adam died in anyway before he was 930 years old, I will accept that and change my mind. This is not me being divisive, this is me being discerning. I don't want to be led astray (once again!) by anyone. So I always insist on seeing the actual Chapter and Verse whenever anyone tells me the Bible says such and such. Show Me "such and such". And if you can't show me the verse, don't then claim that I don't understand it because the Holy Spirit hasn't revealed it to me. The Holy Spirit does not contradict what the Bible says. How could He? Does God contradict God's Word? And to say that I "Cherry Pick" certain verses to believe and "Cherry Pick" other verses to disbelieve is simply untrue. If you had shown me even one verse that said that Adam's spirit died the day he ate the fruit, I would have believed you. You can't expect more than that.

Tim, I understand your desire to not be led astray by false teaching, unfortunately you have taken what I've been saying as being against you or the Word when in fact I'm trying to show you what the Word teaches.

I don't say this to be right or more spiritual than you,

...when I said you cherry picked verses I was trying to show you that you don't fully believe that if it's not written in the Bible you won't believe it, as the example I presented to you about the Trinity, ...you correctly explained the concept of the Trinity using other verses to come to the conclusion and the Holy Spirit gave witness to your spirit it is True, even though we don't find the word Trinity written in the Bible, if you can do that with the concept of the Trinity, why not use other verses to correctly conclude and understand any other spiritual Truth?

I can guarantee you the Holy Spirit will never lead you astray, but if you put up you own man made barriers, like I have to see it exactly written in the Bible, then that is called resisting the Holy Spirit, you didn't do that with the concept of the Trinity, why not try it with what died the day Adam rebelled?

You say God doesn't lie, then you have to answer the question what died in Adam the day he rebelled, yes he died physically 930 years later, but God said THE day you eat of the fruit, you will surly die,

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Gen 2:17

There it is in Scripture bro, like you asked to be shown, God didn't lie about that either, if Adams body lived 930 years then something in Adam had to of died that day and that is what we have been trying to teach you, ...it was his spirit.

 

[TimothyW]

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Gen 2:17

Consider the phrase in Hebrew, Mut ta Muth, "dying, you will die". It doesn't mean that God meant that Adam would die that very same day.

 

[Karl]

Consider the phrase in Hebrew, Mut ta Muth, "dying, you will die". It doesn't mean that God meant that Adam would die that very same day.

Tim, I agree with you on Mut ta Muth, that is not what I'm talking about, but rather,

...for in the day that thou eatest,

enough with the dying you will die, do you realize what you are saying is making Adam's day 930 years long?

God is talking about the day he ate, a 24 hour period, ...not 930 years later.

 

[TimothyW]

Tim, I agree with you on Mut ta Muth, that is not what I'm talking about, but rather,

...for in the day that thou eatest,

enough with the dying you will die, do you realize what you are saying is making Adam's day 930 years long?

God is talking about the day he ate, a 24 hour period, ...not 930 years later.

No, the day the Adam ate the fruit is the day that he became subject to death, from that day forward he was mortal. That is what "dying you will die" means.
There was no death in the world before Adam ate the fruit. Sin came into the world through Adam, and death came into the world through sin. Adam didn't die that same day, but that is the day that he became mortal. From that day forward Adam's days were numbered. One day Adam would die. And death spread to all men, because all men sin. We are all subject to death. One day each of us will die. But the free gift from God is that we will not remain subject to death. In Christ, we can have eternal life. Jesus Christ will return and resurrect the dead, and everyone who has put their faith in Him will inherit eternal life from Him so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. This is good news, right?

(disclaimer: I am in debt to the Apostle Paul for my statement in this post)
I am reviewing some old threads on CF today. It is interesting that you and I have had our disagreements before, although I didn't know it was you. You have been Karl, Gene, and "JustPassingThrough". Do you have any other aliases?