[_ Old Earth _] Is evolution really Biblical?

[Barbarian]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

Barbarian regarding God's opinion of evolution:
He invented it. I suppose that's good enough evidence that He believed it was true.

Funny, he never mentioned it.

He never mentioned protons or magnetism, either. Those are two other of his inventions. For most things like that, He gave us intelligence and curiosity, and let us find out for ourselves. For which I am most grateful.

Other than love, what can be better than the enjoyment of a new discovery?

 

[John]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

He never mentioned protons
or magnetism, either...

true, but he did tell us how he created us and everything else.

 

[Godbless]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

It was created through Him by His Father and for Him. Meaning, Reconciliation, creation.

 

[Guest]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

He never mentioned protons or magnetism, either...

true, but he did tell us how he created us and everything else.

He gave us a story about His act of creation, but did He tell us how to understand that story?

 

[John]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

he gave us a story about His act of creation, but did He tell us how to understand that story?

Yes. Many times. 6 day literal creation a global flood and no evolution.

 

[Guest]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

He gave us a story about His act of creation, but did He tell us how to understand that story?

Yes. Many times. 6 day literal creation a global flood and no evolution.

Where?

 

[Dave Slayer]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

He gave us a story about His act of creation, but did He tell us how to understand that story?

Yes. Many times. 6 day literal creation a global flood and no evolution.

Where?

Exodus 20:11 (KJV)
For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

It says six days here. Now some interpret the six days as literal 24 hour days and some interpret them to be long perioids of time. Now if that were true, then evening and morning could not be one day, it would be many days with many evenings and mornings. Unless the days in the creation week were long and perhaps thousands or millions of years before sunrise and sunset for each day. It could be true, but that would be silly. The only other option is that the days were meant allegorically and not actual days. But what would be the point of an allegory here? What would be wrong with God creating the universe in 6 days? It may seem illogical to us, but God can do anything. Maybe it took God millions of years to create everything but I don't think so.

Another line of thought. God is outside of time and not trapped in it like we are. God could have created everything in 6 seconds if He wanted to. However, the Bible says six days and I will leave it at that.

Genesis 1:5 (KJV)
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Evening and morning are like the days we have now. A sunset and a sunrise. It takes about 24 hours between a sunset and a sunrise. Not millions of years. If Adam was created on day 6, and each day is millions of years, then Adam was a pretty old man.

Only other option is that Adam didn't exist at all and is only allegorical. I just think skeptics use that as a cop out because they don't want to interpret Genesis literally due to their biases and/or perhaps ignorance.

As far as the flood, there are marine fossils scattered through the entire world and in strange places. There are marines fossils in the Grand Canyon walls, certainly a long ways from the beach. There are marine fossils scattered on mountain tops. Also a long ways from the beach. If the flood was just local and not worldwide, God should have just told Noah to move. Unless of course, you think Noah's Ark and the flood were just allegorical too.

 

[Gabe]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

As far as the flood, there are marine fossils scattered through the entire world and in strange places. There are marines fossils in the Grand Canyon walls, certainly a long ways from the beach. There are marine fossils scattered on mountain tops. Also a long ways from the beach. If the flood was just local and not worldwide, God should have just told Noah to move. Unless of course, you think Noah's Ark and the flood were just allegorical too.

The Noah & the flood question was dealt with here:

PROOF of a world wide flood CHALLENGE!

 

[Barbarian]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

God doesn't say how He created life, except to say that the earth brought forth living things. Which, not surprisingly, scientists are beginning to find to have happened.

Evolution came after the first living things.

Nothing in Scripture rules out evolution. It doesn't rule out some forms of creationism, either. The only creationist doctrine that is directly refuted by God is young earth creationism; the "life ex nihilo" doctrine is inconsistent with God's word in Genesis.

 

[John]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

I said it before and I'll say it once more. Christianity and evolution mix like oil and water.

The bible states repeatedly that life produces only after its own kind. This is certainly true as we observe the biological world around us. Dogs stay dogs, people stay people. Yet evolution preaches that all life is a blurred continuum.

The God of the Bible demands unselfish sacrifice for the good of others. ". . . whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant." (Matthew 20:27)

Would this same God use a system of dead ends, extinctions, and survival of the fittest to make us ?

Belief in evolution justified the excesses of the industrial revolution, the Nazi elimination of the Jews, and the rise of Marxism and Communism. It also serves as the justification for the disbelief in God. Although modern evolutionists try to distance themselves from the consequences of taking their theory into a social realm, these historical atrocities are the result of taking evolutionary philosophy to its logical conclusion. If we are a product of biological forces why not extend these forces into our own dealings with other humans? Animal groups do not lament wiping each other out in order to survive. Why shouldn't we do the same if we are just part of an evolutionary process that formed us? Creation is the event that ultimately gives us life value because it links every human's values to their Creator who loved him enough to die for him.

There is abundant scientific evidence that macro-evolution has never taken place. The fossil record shows no credible links between major groups of plants and animals; the chemical structure of DNA contains useful information which could not have developed by natural process; and there is abundant evidence for a worldwide flood which contradicts evolution. Evolution is a philosophy unsupported by the majority of scientific observations whose influence has been a detriment to society and true scientific advancement.

 

[Guest]

Re: Did Jesus believe in evolution?

Although modern evolutionists try to distance themselves from the consequences of taking their theory into a social realm, these historical atrocities are the result of taking evolutionary philosophy to its logical conclusion.

And alternative perspective would suggest they are avoiding a category error.

 

[Dave Slayer]

Is evolution really Biblical? Where is the Biblical evidence?

 

[GojuBrian]

 

[Barbarian]

Are protons really Biblical? How about the Mohorovic discontinuity? Do you think there are things that are true, that aren't in the Bible? :o

 

[GojuBrian]

Are protons really Biblical? How about the Mohorovic discontinuity? Do you think there are things that are true, that aren't in the Bible? :o

Yes, but essential things are true in the Word of God, such as the origin of man and little things like that. ;)

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian on the assertion that evolution isn't Biblical:
Are protons really Biblical? How about the Mohorovic discontinuity? Do you think there are things that are true, that aren't in the Bible? :o

Yes, but essential things are true in the Word of God, such as the origin of man

Precisely how man came to be is not essential to our faith. It's a detail God didn't include, merely noting that man came from the earth like other animals, but then received from God something that made him a living soul.

 

[GojuBrian]

Precisely how man came to be is not essential to our faith. It's a detail God didn't include, merely noting that man came from the earth like other animals, but then received from God something that made him a living soul.

God did include this detail, 'God created man in his own image'

Now, if the Word of God said, ' God made man over billions of years through a process called evolution in which life evolved from a single cell organism from space or somewhere....' Then, I'll buy it. :eyebrow

 

[Barbarian]

God did include this detail, 'God created man in his own image'

We are in God's image in our soul and our mind, not our bodies. God has no eyebrows or fingernails. Why would He? As Jesus says, God is a spirit, and a spirit has no bones.

Now, if the Word of God said, ' God made man over billions of years through a process called evolution in which life evolved from a single cell organism from space or somewhere....' Then, I'll buy it.

So if God says "an atom is made up of protons and neutrons, with electrons forming shells around them", you buy it then, and only then?

The real issue is, atomic structure doesn't disturb your personal take on Scripture.

 

[Dave Slayer]

Did life evolve from what God had created?

Did life evolve from what God had created? Did God create life and everything just evolved from that into the various life forms we see today? Please show me the Biblical evidence. Thanks and God Bless!

 

[turnorburn]

Re: Did life evolve from what God had created?

Did life evolve from what God had created? Did God create life and everything just evolved from that into the various life forms we see today? Please show me the Biblical evidence. Thanks and God Bless!

Come on Dave don't get me started.. :naughty