jmt356
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Many readers have struggled to understand the account in Genesis 32 of Jacob’s encounter with a man with whom he wrestled and overcame. That account was the subject of a thread I opened in December asking why God said that no one could see God and live (Exo 33:20), yet Jacob said he saw God “face to face” and lived (Gen 32:30). See https://christianforums.net/Fellows...et-jacob-saw-god-face-to-face-and-lived.84835.
If we are to read Exodus 33 as a narrative that recounts Jacob’s encounter with God himself (and not an angel, as some people interpret it), how can we maintain that God is omnipotent? Consider:
- 1. God did not prevail against Jacob (Gen 32:25);
- 2. God had to ask Jacob to let Him go; He could not escape on His own (Gen 32:26);
- 3. Jacob expressed his dominance over God and stated he would not let God go unless God blessed him (Gen 32:26).
It would seem that either the person that Jacob wrestled was not God or, if he was God, that God is not omnipotent.
These are the relevant verses:
Gen 32:25 Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob's hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him.
Gen 32:26 And He said, "Let Me go, for the day breaks." But he said, "I will not let You go unless You bless me!"
Gen 32:27 So He said to him, "What is your name?" He said, "Jacob."
Gen 32:28 And He said, "Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed."
The NIV Study Bible commentary note at 32:25 states:
God came to him in such a form that Jacob could wrestle with him successfully, yet he showed Jacob that he could disable him at will.
If we are to read Exodus 33 as a narrative that recounts Jacob’s encounter with God himself (and not an angel, as some people interpret it), how can we maintain that God is omnipotent? Consider:
- 1. God did not prevail against Jacob (Gen 32:25);
- 2. God had to ask Jacob to let Him go; He could not escape on His own (Gen 32:26);
- 3. Jacob expressed his dominance over God and stated he would not let God go unless God blessed him (Gen 32:26).
It would seem that either the person that Jacob wrestled was not God or, if he was God, that God is not omnipotent.
These are the relevant verses:
Gen 32:25 Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob's hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him.
Gen 32:26 And He said, "Let Me go, for the day breaks." But he said, "I will not let You go unless You bless me!"
Gen 32:27 So He said to him, "What is your name?" He said, "Jacob."
Gen 32:28 And He said, "Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed."
The NIV Study Bible commentary note at 32:25 states:
God came to him in such a form that Jacob could wrestle with him successfully, yet he showed Jacob that he could disable him at will.