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Bane
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Nope, it's a pagan holiday. Lots of fun though I enjoy it.
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Lance_Iguana
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Depending. Halloween was a holiday to celebrate the night before all saints day. If that is what is observed then I don't think that there are many problems. If you in the actual ritualistic participation of Samhain then no.
Dressing up in costume and getting candy isn't to bad either. As long as you aren't worshiping the sulstace then I don't see any problems.
Easter and Christmas where also set on pagan/shamanic holidays. Its no big deal, as long as you aren't worshiping things you shouldn't be. ;)
Dressing up in costume and getting candy isn't to bad either. As long as you aren't worshiping the sulstace then I don't see any problems.
Easter and Christmas where also set on pagan/shamanic holidays. Its no big deal, as long as you aren't worshiping things you shouldn't be. ;)
Vic C.
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Christmas yes; Easter, only in name and the adoption of some traditions. The Resurrection is observed when it is due to it's close proximity to Passover. The two are actually inseparable. The two Holy days drift occasionally due to differences between the Hebrew and our calendars.Lance_Iguana said:
I have posted the history of this holiday on my livejournal as well as xanga before in relation to this topic.
In short....my answer is No. It is not Biblical.
Though All Saints Day itself was once a practice in itself that occurs the day after Halloween.
Later if requested, I will try to post up a majority of the history I found on Halloween or All Hallow's Eve.
In short....my answer is No. It is not Biblical.
Though All Saints Day itself was once a practice in itself that occurs the day after Halloween.
Later if requested, I will try to post up a majority of the history I found on Halloween or All Hallow's Eve.
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Lance_Iguana
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Christmas yes; Easter, only in name and the adoption of some traditions. The Resurrection is observed when it is due to it's close proximity to Passover. The two are actually inseparable. The two Holy days drift occasionally due to differences between the Hebrew and our calendars.[/quote:39ihngf3]Yeah, I know we keep Easter close to passover. Though I do know that the Symbolism of the Rabbit, eggs, and spring time where the symbols of the Spring solstice/ Fertility festival that used to be held around the solstice. Wich is close to when we hold Easter. ;)Vic C. said:
Those darn Catholics and their shenanigans.
lovely
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I don't judge anyone who observes these days, or redeems them for the Lord (I mean that), but our family chooses not to celebrate them. We just do not want to mix in the things of the world or use them worship God. I do think they can be utilized to point to truths of God before the lost, as Paul maybe would have done, but I don't think that we are required to teach them as celebrations to our children or 'keep' them as a way to worship God. God should lead us.
Anyway, we do observe some of the Jewish feasts (when we can) from a Christian perspective, but not as a law, just as a reminder of God's provision for believers and as a celebration...they also make a really neat study. Sometimes you learn more in the doing of something, and it sort of gives the children a 'picture' of Word. Pretty neat.
The Lord bless you guys.
Anyway, we do observe some of the Jewish feasts (when we can) from a Christian perspective, but not as a law, just as a reminder of God's provision for believers and as a celebration...they also make a really neat study. Sometimes you learn more in the doing of something, and it sort of gives the children a 'picture' of Word. Pretty neat.
The Lord bless you guys.
GodspromisesRyes
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no its not biblical. i also do not condemn those who do this and the other "holidays" but we do not do them. this one in particular is a sacrifice nite for black witches and some pagans and satanists.
on a more personal note i believe that this practice teaches bad values to our children. first we dress them up and then take them from house to house teaching them to practice extortion " trick or treat" that is if you do not give me the treat like i want i will give you a trick. on this day much vandalism is done and i believe we have taught them this as a culture and mostly find it funny and then wonder why kids are out of control these days
on a more personal note i believe that this practice teaches bad values to our children. first we dress them up and then take them from house to house teaching them to practice extortion " trick or treat" that is if you do not give me the treat like i want i will give you a trick. on this day much vandalism is done and i believe we have taught them this as a culture and mostly find it funny and then wonder why kids are out of control these days
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justvisiting
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Honestly, I don't have to do a lot of research on Halloween. I can tell you from experience...some of the worst things happen on that day...razor blades in apples...people starting fires...the whole image is witches and devils and ghosts.
Personally, if I was a parent...I would be going with the kids trick or treating...IF they went at all.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they banned the holiday at all. Also, having costumes is almost a license to get away with crime. Who did it? Someone in a ghost costume...
Our society is filled with pagan overtones. This one, they should get rid of.
Personally, if I was a parent...I would be going with the kids trick or treating...IF they went at all.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they banned the holiday at all. Also, having costumes is almost a license to get away with crime. Who did it? Someone in a ghost costume...
Our society is filled with pagan overtones. This one, they should get rid of.
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namewithheld
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Halloween is fun. What more needs to be said?
handy
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Ah, the perennial Halloween question.
Is it Biblical? No. Neither is New Year's Day, Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, Easter (as opposed to the Resurrection), Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Columbus Day, Thanksgiving Day (as a holiday, not a prayer or attitude) or Christmas Day.
Rather, these are all American holidays. Even Christmas and Easter are uniquely American in how we celebrate them, here in the States. At Christmas, we don't go Mumming or have Crackers (here in America "Cracker" is either a piece of unleavened bread or a racist term.) And, I'm not sure about how prevalent baskets of candy are at Easter morning in other nations.
True, some of the traditions go way way back, so far back that their true meaning has been virtually lost. Don't believe me?
Do a Google study on the origins of Halloween and the traditions of the jack o'lanterns, dressing up in costumes and trick or treating. You will find so many different explanations of these traditions that it's clear that nobody really know for sure exactly how they started out, or why they were brought here to America. I can pretty much guarantee you, that if someone was to post a link to one site that claims to know the "true origins" of Halloween, I will be able to post at least two or three others that make the same claim but come to completely different conclusions.
Irregardless of what Halloween started out as, what it is, at least here in America, NOW is a kid's holiday, where they get to dress up in a goofy costume, and get candy from friends and neighbors who enjoy giving it to them as much as they enjoy getting it. It's pagan roots are long forgotten, except by those who choose to follow paganism as their religion, which they have the freedom to do so.
Yep, we do Halloween. Now, if I lived in a really big city where there was a lot of crime, I wouldn't take my kids trick-or-treating, unless I knew the neighborhood really well. But, out here in the middle of nowhere, I know each and every person who looks forward to seeing my kids on Halloween night and know exactly who gives the kids what. And, they get more than candy. They get things like homemade cookies, candid apples, brownies, apple cider and all sorts of good stuff. It's all perfectly safe and everyone enjoys it. Not as any kind of religious observance, but just as good fun.
This is an area that one has full liberty in. If one feels that one ought not to, then one shouldn't. But, although there isn't any real Biblical reason to enjoy Halloween, there really isn't any real Biblical reason not to.
Now, if I lived 1000 years ago, back when the roots were still fresh in whatever pagan soil they grew in, I would have a totally different answer.
Is it Biblical? No. Neither is New Year's Day, Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, Easter (as opposed to the Resurrection), Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Columbus Day, Thanksgiving Day (as a holiday, not a prayer or attitude) or Christmas Day.
Rather, these are all American holidays. Even Christmas and Easter are uniquely American in how we celebrate them, here in the States. At Christmas, we don't go Mumming or have Crackers (here in America "Cracker" is either a piece of unleavened bread or a racist term.) And, I'm not sure about how prevalent baskets of candy are at Easter morning in other nations.
True, some of the traditions go way way back, so far back that their true meaning has been virtually lost. Don't believe me?
Do a Google study on the origins of Halloween and the traditions of the jack o'lanterns, dressing up in costumes and trick or treating. You will find so many different explanations of these traditions that it's clear that nobody really know for sure exactly how they started out, or why they were brought here to America. I can pretty much guarantee you, that if someone was to post a link to one site that claims to know the "true origins" of Halloween, I will be able to post at least two or three others that make the same claim but come to completely different conclusions.
Irregardless of what Halloween started out as, what it is, at least here in America, NOW is a kid's holiday, where they get to dress up in a goofy costume, and get candy from friends and neighbors who enjoy giving it to them as much as they enjoy getting it. It's pagan roots are long forgotten, except by those who choose to follow paganism as their religion, which they have the freedom to do so.
Yep, we do Halloween. Now, if I lived in a really big city where there was a lot of crime, I wouldn't take my kids trick-or-treating, unless I knew the neighborhood really well. But, out here in the middle of nowhere, I know each and every person who looks forward to seeing my kids on Halloween night and know exactly who gives the kids what. And, they get more than candy. They get things like homemade cookies, candid apples, brownies, apple cider and all sorts of good stuff. It's all perfectly safe and everyone enjoys it. Not as any kind of religious observance, but just as good fun.
This is an area that one has full liberty in. If one feels that one ought not to, then one shouldn't. But, although there isn't any real Biblical reason to enjoy Halloween, there really isn't any real Biblical reason not to.
Now, if I lived 1000 years ago, back when the roots were still fresh in whatever pagan soil they grew in, I would have a totally different answer.
I've always taken my kids to our neighborhood "autumn festival" where they have game booths set up with candy as prizes. The kids do dress up in costumes, though no scary or violent costumes are allowed. Oh, they also have a hay ride around the neighborhood, pulled by a tractor. Lots of fun!
And we also have a Christmas tree every year, because even if it has pagan roots, we never knew about it, much less celebrated it. Dora hit it right on the nail:
And we also have a Christmas tree every year, because even if it has pagan roots, we never knew about it, much less celebrated it. Dora hit it right on the nail:
handy said:
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justvisiting
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Well.......that's interesting. A couple of "Paul's" for liberty. Actually, I wouldn't argue with you. Really, it's mostly whatsoever is not of faith is sin. (now don't go saying I said that applies to what is definitely wrong). 
Personally, I just don't like the holiday much, because I live in Vancouver, Canada and downtown there are always fights and parties and firecrackers and stupid things that happen on this day.
When I lived in a small town...some were doing sick things like putting razor blades in apples.
Halloween I could much rather let go of...than say Christmas.
Why is your liberty judged of another? Well, as you said ...it's your liberty.
I used to trick or treat when I was a kid too. You are right. We don't think of these holidays as having pagan roots. There are lots of preachers that want to fill you in on their bad beginnings though.
I as well used to enjoy Christmas immensely. It's a joyous experience watching a child jump up and down in happiness. Our family also still used to play the Christmas music, both secular and Christian.
God bless you in your liberties...as long as they are done in clear conscience...and not obviously wrong in any way.
Personally, I just don't like the holiday much, because I live in Vancouver, Canada and downtown there are always fights and parties and firecrackers and stupid things that happen on this day.
When I lived in a small town...some were doing sick things like putting razor blades in apples.
Halloween I could much rather let go of...than say Christmas.
Why is your liberty judged of another? Well, as you said ...it's your liberty.
I used to trick or treat when I was a kid too. You are right. We don't think of these holidays as having pagan roots. There are lots of preachers that want to fill you in on their bad beginnings though.
I as well used to enjoy Christmas immensely. It's a joyous experience watching a child jump up and down in happiness. Our family also still used to play the Christmas music, both secular and Christian.
God bless you in your liberties...as long as they are done in clear conscience...and not obviously wrong in any way.
GodspromisesRyes
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If other people wat to celebrate these days that is between them and God but i would like to add one more thing to this. When christians celebrate days that are pagan, it can ruin their witness to witches and pagans. Not always, but it can.
Before i was saved i was a witch, i grew up my whole life believing in occultish things. When i realised that all these christians were believing and saying that i would go to hell for not believing in Jesus and for being a pagan, and that at the same time they were celebrating all my pagan festivals each year while telling me to repent from paganism, i found them the worst hypocites and i would refuse to listen to anything they had to say to witness to me no matter what. i would even tell them when they tried to witness to me, that if they wanted to get me to believe what they say is true they should at least live whole heartily what they want me to believe but they always made excuses for their paganism but condemned mine. Even when scriptures correcting them were spoken of they still made excuses but thought i should repent.
It took a certian beleiver, who had given up every pagan holiday for Christ and who really desired to live as Christ said and not have any appearance of stain from the world for me to listen to him. We had many conversations back and forth and even though i did not agree right away with him, i had to always look at him with respect and say to myself at least he is willing to really live what he believes and not just make excuses. It was through talking to him and him praying for me that the Lord saved me and after i was saved the Lord showed me a vision of names of people who prayed for me and his name was the top of the list and when i could go back and give him the good news that i was saved we rejoiced together.
Now for me personally, because this was a thing for me i would rather keep myself from all appearance of evil so as not to ruin my witness with one person becuase that one person is more important then all the fun i may have had doing those things. (i also do not do them because i know too well the pagan origens of them and i cannot personally take something that is for pagan worship even today and just rename it to suit myself, but i do not expect others to have the same convictions in this as i do)
Before i was saved i was a witch, i grew up my whole life believing in occultish things. When i realised that all these christians were believing and saying that i would go to hell for not believing in Jesus and for being a pagan, and that at the same time they were celebrating all my pagan festivals each year while telling me to repent from paganism, i found them the worst hypocites and i would refuse to listen to anything they had to say to witness to me no matter what. i would even tell them when they tried to witness to me, that if they wanted to get me to believe what they say is true they should at least live whole heartily what they want me to believe but they always made excuses for their paganism but condemned mine. Even when scriptures correcting them were spoken of they still made excuses but thought i should repent.
It took a certian beleiver, who had given up every pagan holiday for Christ and who really desired to live as Christ said and not have any appearance of stain from the world for me to listen to him. We had many conversations back and forth and even though i did not agree right away with him, i had to always look at him with respect and say to myself at least he is willing to really live what he believes and not just make excuses. It was through talking to him and him praying for me that the Lord saved me and after i was saved the Lord showed me a vision of names of people who prayed for me and his name was the top of the list and when i could go back and give him the good news that i was saved we rejoiced together.
Now for me personally, because this was a thing for me i would rather keep myself from all appearance of evil so as not to ruin my witness with one person becuase that one person is more important then all the fun i may have had doing those things. (i also do not do them because i know too well the pagan origens of them and i cannot personally take something that is for pagan worship even today and just rename it to suit myself, but i do not expect others to have the same convictions in this as i do)
Aero_Hudson
Member
Halloween rocks! Just a ton of fun and the kids enjoy it. They get to dress up in costumes and get some candy. What's not fun about that from the perspective of a child.
Good stuff!
Good stuff!
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justvisiting
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You are absolutely correct. If it is an offense to your conscience, then you should not participate. I am not partial to the holiday myself. (halloween)... as you said though...I don't think the Christians that take part in it are really celebrating it the same as others.
Paul mentions eating meat offered to idols...to the one it is an offense...to the other it is nothing...because an idol is nothing, merely dead wood, etc. ...but you need to obey your conscience.
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justvisiting
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Here is the whatsoever is not of faith is sin...in Romans 14
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
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justvisiting
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Here is the second part of whatsoever is not of faith is sin...
1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Co 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
So the story is...you shouldn't be trick or treating with anyone else.
AS I SAID BEFORE...IT WOULDN'T HURT MY FEELINGS IF THEY GOT RID OF THIS PARTICULAR HOLIDAY, ANYWAY.
1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Co 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
So the story is...you shouldn't be trick or treating with anyone else.
AS I SAID BEFORE...IT WOULDN'T HURT MY FEELINGS IF THEY GOT RID OF THIS PARTICULAR HOLIDAY, ANYWAY.
handy
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I think I would amend this a bit to, "You shouldn't be trick or treating with anyone who feels there is something wrong about Halloween."
However, if everyone is on the same page, then there is no bar.
Same as eating meat. We all know that there are vegetarians out there who are vegetarians because of religious principles. However, this doesn't mean that you and I couldn't go chow down at McD's on some big Mac's. (Unless, of course, you don't eat meat for religious reasons!) Now, I when my niece who is a vegetarian comes to dinner, I don't serve meat to her, of course, but I will serve it to anyone else.