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Is Isis Just A Crisis Or Is This The Beginning Of The End?

Themessengeroftruth said:
when you interpreting the end times doctrine.
There is a BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU READ AND INTERPRET AND YOU LISTEN AND INTERPRET

its like when you listen you begin to hear the same stuff said in different ways, Then when u start to understand the scriptures its like something changes inside you and then when u start to see what was told to you happen in real life, its a feeling u just cant describe. You just know god is so real and in so much control its not even funny
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Well...actually, some people are audible learners, while others learn visually. And then some are kinetic learners, they learn by doing. So it really depends.

I've experienced what you're talking about, being guided by the holy spirit in reading scripture. Or, it sounds like what I've experienced. I actually got into it by reading allegories...they resparked my interest in the Bible, and reading scripture became exciting. God did reveal a lot to me during that time, mostly in relation to basic doctrine.

Am I the only one who imagines a voice in my head when I read, not just the Bible but in general?
 
Yeah, I'm listening to it now. But it's true different people work differently. My problem is I read pretty fast. Like "speed reading" fast. Listening to the narrative I'm finding I'm wanting to push him along and make him read it faster, then my mind just starts wondering off to other things. Although I can see how for me this might be good playing in the background while I'm doing other things. We learn a lot from things we hear in the background all day. If there was just some way to make it play continuously rather than having to go and restart it after each chapter...

As far as getting any new understanding, well, not yet. But then I've only listened to a couple of chapters.
 
questdriven said:
Well...actually, some people are audible learners, while others learn visually. And then some are kinetic learners, they learn by doing. So it really depends.

I've experienced what you're talking about, being guided by the holy spirit in reading scripture. Or, it sounds like what I've experienced. I actually got into it by reading allegories...they resparked my interest in the Bible, and reading scripture became exciting. God did reveal a lot to me during that time, mostly in relation to basic doctrine.

Am I the only one who imagines a voice in my head when I read, not just the Bible but in general?
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i dont know, maybe u are right but all i know for me listening to it was like being in a different world and concerning the end.
it was like precept upon precept, line upon line here alittle and there alittle.

I just kept hearing the same stuff in different books over and over and over again it was like the lord was trying to say something. they i got it, The first rapture is the death of the saints.
but he said it in many different ways, for example mathew, luke and mark, he spoke about carcases eagles and dead bodies for where the believers was going, in isaiah he talks about the righteous being killed and being hid from the evil to come,
in psalms he says precious in the sight of the lord is the death of his saints..

basically when i was hearing it i just kept hearing the same thing said in many different ways.
like for another example the righteous are bold as a lion.
i heard it first in proverbs
then i listened to the books of samuel which told the story of david and goliath. i saw how bold david had to been to go up against a man of that size and stature.

i saw how bold jesus was, he was in a scribe house and telling them there were hypocrites in their own home.
and many other things.
its just like when u hear it, u just hear the same stuff over and over again.

Just try it... it not a sin, just try it for a couple months, its easy and u can listen while driving and everything.
 
Obadiah said:
Yeah, I'm listening to it now. But it's true different people work differently. My problem is I read pretty fast. Like "speed reading" fast. Listening to the narrative I'm finding I'm wanting to push him along and make him read it faster, then my mind just starts wondering off to other things. Although I can see how for me this might be good playing in the background while I'm doing other things. We learn a lot from things we hear in the background all day. If there was just some way to make it play continuously rather than having to go and restart it after each chapter...

As far as getting any new understanding, well, not yet. But then I've only listened to a couple of chapters.
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lol brother, you got to give it time, give it 3 months and be consistent, just be patient and listen and what ever you understand do it. Try for atleast a hour a day, if you can listen to it all day long then do it, or even sundays dont do no work just listen to the bible from morning to night, and mon- sat do a hour a day.

im telling you if you really try and make the effort and pray with a honest heart i know god will make him self known to you
 
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You act like I'm opposed to listening to the Bible or something. Nah, in fact my family owns tapes of the audible Bible and at one point at least we had one on DVD (visual and audio, basically. It had scripture on the screen to be read while a voice read it). That's not the issue. I'm just slow to change views, I have to be, especially relating to stuff about doctrine.
Anyway, at this point, nothing I'm saying here is on topic. This is the end times forum. I'll officially bow out of the discussion so far as replying is concerned. Hope all goes well with you.
 
questdriven said:
Maybe so, but scriptures dealing with prophecies that have yet to happen are super hard to interpret, it's just complicated. There are so many theories out there that seem to fit, I don't know what to believe anymore. Whatever happens, God knows what He's doing:shrug
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welcome to the club.
 
kiwidan said:
John said in Rev 1:9 that he was in the Trib. I guess the first 3.5.
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WAIT A MINUTE !!!!!

How could John say that when we all KNOW he was only writing to us Christians in 2014? (Tongue-in-cheek, of course.)
 
The poor deaf people... or the ones that the Bible has not been put on tape in their language...... they just don't get to be saved, I guess.
 
The Prophecy of Damascus and the Rapture of the Church
Sermon shared by Amy Bickel

The Destruction of Damascus and the Rapture of the Church

So, with this knowledge in mind, let’s return to Isaiah 17 and read verses 4-6.
“In that day the glory of Jacob will fade; the fat of his body will waste away. [5] It will be as when a reaper gathers the standing grain and harvests the grain with his arm – as when a man gleans heads of grain in the Valley of Rephaim. [6] Yet some gleanings will remain, as when an olive tree is beaten, leaving two or three olives on the topmost branches, four or five on the fruitful boughs,” declares the LORD, the God of Israel.
Did you catch the phrasing and word pictures? Do you see a reference to the resurrections? Look closely.

A. Explanation of Word Pictures
The reaper in this passage is Jesus Christ. The grain that he is harvesting – the church. This passage of scripture is not only talking about a man gathering grain, and the Jewish people that will survive the battle with Syria. It’s also talking about the rapture of the church.
In verse 5 everything is being harvested whether or not the heads are mature. It’s a picture of the church at the rapture. Everyone is going home at the same time, regardless of his or her spiritual maturity or stature. If you belong to Christ, you’re going home.
Notice also the mention of the gleanings remaining in verse 6. After the grain harvest (the church being removed) there is still left the gleanings and the olive threshing. What did we say the gleanings represented? – The Tribulation saints. So, we have mentioned here the rapture of the church, or the second wave of the resurrection of the just, being followed by the third wave of the resurrection.
Last week we also mentioned that the olive tree is the symbol for the spiritual state of Israel. So after the rapture of the church, we see that Israel is still here as well to face the time of Jacob’s trouble, which is exactly what is taught elsewhere is scripture.

B. Timing of Events
But what does all this have to do with Damascus? Why do we find a reference to the rapture of the church stuck in the middle of a prophecy detailing the destruction of Damascus, Syria?
Now, I don’t want to be accused of being a date setter, because the Bible teaches that no one knows the time of the rapture not even the Lord Jesus himself. But after studying this passage and reading other minister’s interpretations of this passage, I believe we can see an overall timeline of some very close future events.
If Isaiah 17 is written in chronological order then, it appears that the fall of Damascus, which occurs in verse 1, will occur first. And then the rapture of the church will take place (verse 5) and finally the tribulation saints and Israel are left upon the earth to face the upcoming tribulation (verse 6).

Is this truly what Isaiah is saying here? Is the 17th chapter of Isaiah written chronologically? Maybe and then again maybe not, but it sure looks like it is to me. If I’m wrong, it doesn’t matter in the big scheme of things. No one’s salvation hinges on whether or not they believe this passage says the fall of Damascus must happen before the church can be raptured. But it does make an interesting argument for that interpretation.
And the fulfillment of seeing Damascus being destroyed would be a powerful witnessing tool for the Church to use before God starts gathering the members of His Church home to glory.

http://www.sermoncentral.com/sermon...kel-sermon-on-second-coming-107537.asp?Page=4
 
questdriven said:
You act like I'm opposed to listening to the Bible or something. Nah, in fact my family owns tapes of the audible Bible and at one point at least we had one on DVD (visual and audio, basically. It had scripture on the screen to be read while a voice read it). That's not the issue. I'm just slow to change views, I have to be, especially relating to stuff about doctrine.
Anyway, at this point, nothing I'm saying here is on topic. This is the end times forum. I'll officially bow out of the discussion so far as replying is concerned. Hope all goes well with you.
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im not saying your opposed to it, im telling you to DO IT. Just try, who cares about if your views change or what ever just do it, listen to the bible night and day if you cant night and day try one hour a day. and alright hope all goes well with u too
 
Themessengeroftruth,

Don't worry about the isis crisis or the guy in charge of it, he's not the Antichrist. I can say that without knowing what or who you're even talking about. The Antichrist will not show up until about half way through the tribulation. Unless I hear on my car radio that the isis crisis guy calls fire down from Heaven in the presence of men, we got no Man of Sin.
Don't even worry about Him when He gets here, only the people whose names are not found written in The Book need to worry.
 
jasonc said:
family radio? of the Harold camping ilk.
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Themessengeroftruth said:
Yeah why?
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Wait a minute! Is this the false prophet who predicted the date of the end of the world a few years ago that (of course) never happened? The one that bilked thousands of people out of their life's savings and put so many people in financial ruin? If so, I'll have nothing to do with him or links to his info. I'm sure there must be other legitimate sources of audio Bibles.

As a moderator on this site I would strongly suggest not linking to any media from a known false prophet.
 
jasonc said:
of which Harold camping before he died repented.
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Even if a false prophet repents before dieing that still doesn't mean we should listen to anything he has to say, especially regarding prophesy, unless he has proven anew that God is now using him as a proper teacher or messenger. That normally never happens. Normally these false prophets that talk about how they have repented are only doing so to get people to follow them into their next delusion, usually for some kind of financial profit. I don't recall hearing of Harold Camping ever demonstrating that his repentance was real or that God now made the rare act of choosing him to be a proper teacher or modern day true prophet. That's not to say we should judge him personally as being non-repentant, just that lacking any demonstration of true repentance and of God now choosing to actually use him, we shouldn't be listening to anything he has to say, or to anything any organization of his has to say no matter how innocent it seems.
 
Harold Camping was date setting.The Bible tells us that is a big no no.I am sure the Lord has a good reason for that.
 
Obadiah said:
Even if a false prophet repents before dieing that still doesn't mean we should listen to anything he has to say, especially regarding prophesy, unless he has proven anew that God is now using him as a proper teacher or messenger. That normally never happens. Normally these false prophets that talk about how they have repented are only doing so to get people to follow them into their next delusion, usually for some kind of financial profit. I don't recall hearing of Harold Camping ever demonstrating that his repentance was real or that God now made the rare act of choosing him to be a proper teacher or modern day true prophet. That's not to say we should judge him personally as being non-repentant, just that lacking any demonstration of true repentance and of God now choosing to actually use him, we shouldn't be listening to anything he has to say, or to anything any organization of his has to say no matter how innocent it seems.
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I know that and agree just that camping from what I read , and I could be wrong, did stop date setting.
 
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